Who would win?

[StuMiller]

Three laps of Phillip Island between a 2012 Ninja 250R or a 1972 Z1?

[kawadave]

My moneys on the Z1.....

[Wattie]

A restricted ninja 250 did a 2.04 at wsbk.

So I'd reckon the Z1

[robracer]

Z1

[z900/zx9]

Z1 easily no contest.I would even back the z1 at broadford

[MadKaw]

2012 PHILLIP ISLAND
SUPERBIKE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
FEBRUARY 23 - 26

Date: 24/02/12
Event: R01
Weather: Fine & sunny - Temp: 25.0C
Track: Dry - Temp: 48.9C
AUSTRALIAN 250cc PRODUCTION
Race 1
PROVISIONAL CLASSIFICATION Started at: 16:25:59
Laps: 7
Starters: 14
Printed at: 16:52


Pos No Gr Name Machine Laps Time Behind Fastest On Lap

1 58 C Luke BURGESS (QLD) Kawasaki Ninja 7 14:38.082 2:04.048 6
2 45 Olly SIMPSON (SA) Kawasaki Ninja 7 14:38.173 .091 2:04.090 2
3 87 Zac LEVY (QLD) / Puma RV's / Victorian M-cycle Wreckers Honda CBR 7 15:02.542 24.460 2:07.645 2
4 46 Nathan SIMPSON (SA) Kawasaki Ninja 7 15:02.762 24.680 2:06.567 5
5 52 J Corey TURNER (QLD) / K1 Racing Kawasaki Ninja 7 15:02.781 24.699 2:07.171 5
6 99 Zac ZANESCO (NSW) / Draggin Jeans Kawasaki Ninja 7 15:11.315 33.233 2:08.323 4
7 24 Peter MIZZI (VIC) Kawasaki Ninja 7 15:12.810 34.728 2:06.548 7
8 39 A Brian BEZZINA (VIC) / M-cycle Movers (Vic) Honda CBR 7 15:20.950 42.868 2:09.001 3
9 13 A Mark WATT (WA) / Sharptune Kawasaki Kawasaki Ninja 7 15:31.732 53.650 2:11.306 7
10 96 C Evan BYLES (SA) / SA M-cycles Kawasaki Ninja 7 15:36.821 58.739 2:12.069 2
11 8 B Albert TEHENNEPE (VIC) / Sharptune Kawasaki Kawasaki Ninja 7 15:41.022 1:02.940 2:12.731 2
12 11 Brandon DEMMERY (NSW) / NSW Compensation Lawyers Megelli 7 15:49.639 1:11.557 2:13.052 3
13 30 Bronwyn SORENSEN (VIC) Honda CBR 7 16:14.864 1:36.782 2:17.085 2

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2012 PHILLIP ISLAND
SUPERBIKE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
FEBRUARY 23 - 26

Date: 24/02/12
Event: R02
Weather: Fine & sunny - Temp: 24.9C
Track: Dry - Temp: 48.3C
AUSTRALIAN HISTORIC CHALLENGE
Race 1
PROVISIONAL CLASSIFICATION Started at: 16:55:12
Laps: 6
Starters: 26
Printed at: 17:11


Pos No Gr Name Machine Laps Time Behind Fastest On Lap

1 19 A Shaun GILES (NSW) / TBR / D&D / Springwood Suzuki Suzuki Katana 1294 6 10:01.125 1:38.615 3
2 99 A Steve MARTIN (VIC) / TBR / D&D / QBE Suzuki Katana 1294 6 10:01.758 .633 1:38.865 2
3 86 A Beau BEATON (NSW) / KH Equipment P/L Irving Vincent 1300 6 10:08.487 7.362 1:39.683 2
4 32 A Robbie PHILLIS (NSW) / QBE Insurance / Mick Hone M-cycles Suzuki Katana 1300 6 10:19.551 18.426 1:40.923 2
5 76 B Scott WEBSTER (VIC) / West Gippsland Auto Electrics Moto Martin 1200 6 10:42.793 41.668 1:44.992 3
6 75 B Stuart LOLY (VIC) / Victorian M-cycle Wreckers Suzuki GSX 1170 6 10:43.002 41.877 1:46.035 3
7 311 Andrew LIND (VIC) / Doyle & Shields Racing Kawasaki Z 1260 6 10:44.609 43.484 1:45.858 6
8 24 Peter MIZZI (VIC) Honda CB 1100 6 10:48.886 47.761 1:46.092 3
9 107 B Roger GUNN (VIC) / Byrners Suzuki Suzuki Katana 1260 6 11:01.070 59.945 1:48.510 3
10 62 B Robert RUWOLDT (VIC) Kawasaki KR 1197 6 11:02.061 1:00.936 1:47.896 5
11 8 B Albert TEHENNEPE (VIC) / Sharptune Kawasaki Kawasaki Z 1260 6 11:09.455 1:08.330 1:50.026 6
12 26 A Keith HIGGS (NSW) / Ballistic P&M Kawasaki 1260 6 11:09.928 1:08.803 1:49.655 2
13 35 A Clive WARNER (VIC) / Lord Morley Yamaha TZ 750 6 11:27.245 1:26.120 1:51.711 4
14 2 B Rex WOLFENDEN (VIC) / T Rex Racing Suzuki GSX 1200 6 11:37.359 1:36.234 1:54.563 3
15 999 Peter ROSS (VIC) Suzuki GSX 1100 6 11:53.473 1:52.348 1:57.259 4
16 816 C Darren LARK (VIC) / Red Mist M-cycle Accessories Honda CB 1062 6 11:56.174 1:55.049 1:56.162 6
17 36 A Chris MACRAE (NSW) Ducati SS 750 6 11:59.520 1:58.395 1:55.959 5
18 6 Phil RUSSELL (VIC) / Red-Mist M-cycle Accessories Honda CB 1123 5 10:11.017 1 Lap 1:59.706 3
19 78 Mark JOHNSTON (VIC) Suzuki GSX 1295 5 10:22.843 1 Lap 2:02.449 5
20 800 C David NICHOLSON (VIC) / Nicholson Transport Kawasaki GPZ 1100 5 10:26.955 1 Lap 2:02.401 2
21 55 C Steve DOBSON (NSW) / Forestrack Kawasaki Z1R 1200 5 10:49.133 1 Lap 2:07.232 3

[laidback]

My heart says the Z1 but it think it would be very close and with the same rider I'd say the 250

[MadKaw]

My heart says the Z1 but it think it would be very close and with the same rider I'd say the 250

Look up one post - the rider in bold....

[born green]

Z1 easily no contest.I would even back the z1 at broadford

Come on mal speaking with the heart there mate....

At broady,250...

U got a Z and been around there mal... if i got my hands on a 250 i would challenge u mate i reckon i could do 67/68s on a new 250 ninja, with good tyres...

So anyone want to loan me theirs for a day????

U know u want to

[tim]

Am I reading your post correctly Dave if I say the Z1 was 22 seconds faster for one lap, same rider?

[GPZ_Jim]

If the Z1 can be modded to heck then the twofiddy should be allowed as well
Theres a ninja 250 on youtube with a 500 donk bolted in

[Glen]

My heart says the Z1 but it think it would be very close and with the same rider I'd say the 250

Look up one post - the rider in bold....

The facade business is a bit slow huh?

[Gosling1]

My heart says the Z1 but it think it would be very close and with the same rider I'd say the 250

Look up one post - the rider in bold....

The facade business is a bit slow huh?

muahahahahaahaha


back to business. That z1260 ridden by Albert Teheneppe - is a Z1000J-based motor, not a z9 motor. Massive difference. Alberts bike is putting out around 120hp or thereabouts, has excellent suspension etc etc blah blah blah.

A stock z9 put out 82 at the crank, closer to 70 at the back wheel. They wobble like a bitch over the ton and have SFA ground clearance....and you can't go fast on skinny tyres

My quickest time at the Island Classic last year on Billy's LC350 - was a 2.04. Almost identical to that time on the Ninja 250.......so I have a reasonable idea of how quick you need to peddle a stock z9 around the Island to match that Ninja time......and I reckon it would be just a bit difficult on a stock z9. Should be possible only because of the higher top end of the 900, but it would be a close race I reckon.

[z900/zx9]

Z1 easily no contest.I would even back the z1 at broadford

Come on mal speaking with the heart there mate....

At broady,250...

U got a Z and been around there mal... if i got my hands on a 250 i would challenge u mate i reckon i could do 67/68s on a new 250 ninja, with good tyres...

So anyone want to loan me theirs for a day????

U know u want to

I have had the old z at broadford and i can tell u she wasnt that slow.mind u mine has 1015 kit with smoothbore carbs as well as drilled twin discs with braided lines and a new mastercyclinder.So i am pretty confident with me on board my nine u might be in a bit of trouble

[Wattie]

Luke burgess ran 1.09's around Broadford on the Ninja 250. With race Tyres. And he won a 7 lap race by 4 seconds