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Saw this and thought it was an interesting read. :)

The New Motorcycles:
Bigger, Faster, Deadlier

Trend Toward Outsize Power
And Lighter Weight Coincides
With Increase in Fatalities
By JONATHAN WELSH
September 18, 2007

Bigger, faster, more-powerful machines are helping to make 2007 the deadliest year yet for motorcycle riders, say safety officials and a new insurance-industry study.
In the past few years a horsepower battle in the cycle industry has produced bikes that have the power of a car but often weigh less than ever. Sophisticated suspension and braking systems and other electronics make them easy for inexperienced riders to handle -- up to a point. But the bikes' potential speed and violent acceleration can quickly overwhelm all but the most skilled riders.
The new Ducati 1098's 160-horsepower engine makes it the Italian company's most powerful regular production model. These high-performance machines, often called "superbikes" or "supersports," accounted for less than 10% of motorcycle registrations in 2005 but accounted for more than 25% of rider fatalities, according to data collected by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and analyzed in a study released last week by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

The total number of rider deaths has more than doubled since 1997. At the current rate, some safety experts say, fatalities in 2007 could surpass the previous peak of 4,955 set in 1980.

Superbike riders suffer much higher death rates than riders of other kinds of bikes. And while superbikes still aren't as popular as the larger, more laid-back cruiser-style bikes made by Harley-Davidson Motor Co., such bikes have been one of the fastest-growing segments of the industry. They represented 9% of the market in 2005, compared with 47% for cruisers. But superbike registrations jumped 83% between 2000 and 2005.

In addition to more-powerful machines, an influx of inexperienced riders is also helping to drive accident rates higher. And as more middle-age consumers return to motorcycling -- often after not having ridden for 20 years or more -- more older riders are being killed in crashes. Another contributing factor: a trend toward more-liberal helmet laws.

"These guys start riding again in their 50s and don't realize that they aren't the same physical specimens they were in their 20s," says David Livingston, director of the New Jersey Trauma Center at University Hospital in Newark, N.J., who has recently seen an increase in motorcycle-related injuries. "During June, July and August, about one in four patients hurt in traffic accidents have been motorcycle riders," he says.
SUPERBIKES

See three types of these new motorcycles.

Motorcycles, much like cars, have gradually become more powerful and nimble over time. But the more-rapid run-up in engine size and performance has occurred in only the past few years, as overall sales of motorcycles have boomed. New construction techniques and the widening availability of lightweight materials like carbon fiber and titanium "have made it easier to reduce weight and increase power cost-effectively," says Ted Miller, director of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, a research group. "The stoked sport bike," he says, is a fairly new development.
Bike makers across the industry are conspicuously boosting power. Italian manufacturer Ducati Motor Holding earlier this year began selling the 1098, a superbike with 160 horsepower -- a big jump from the 112 horsepower the company's racy 996 model put out 10 years ago. The bike has about as much power as a Honda Accord EX sedan. BMW AG's motorcycle unit had a reputation for building sedate bikes with less than 100 horsepower until it rolled out the 167-horsepower K1200S about three years ago. Even Harley-Davidson, long known for its slow cruising and touring models, recently released the Night Rod Special, a fast, low-slung bike with a 125-horsepower engine developed with sports-car maker Porsche AG.

In the late 1970s and early 1980s -- the last time motorcycle fatalities were this high -- the hottest bikes included machines like Kawasaki Motors Corp.'s Z1000. A fearsome bike at the time, its 90-or-so horsepower and total weight approaching 600 pounds seem benign compared with the nearly 200 horsepower generated by the company's new ZX-14 or rival bike maker Suzuki Motor Corp.'s GSX-R1000.
The Suzuki weighs barely 400 pounds with a full fuel tank, and can accelerate to 60 mph in about 2.5 seconds. It even comes with a switch so the rider can select low, medium or high power settings. Other bikes have adopted electronically controlled brakes, transmissions and traction control to keep the rear wheel from spinning out of control under acceleration.

Many supersport bikes are actually built for racing. In popular racing events like the American Motorcyclist Association superbike series, riders use bikes that are modified versions of those available to the public at dealerships. In order to compete in the races, cycle manufacturers have to build hundreds of the bikes for sale to consumers.

The process, called "homologation," is meant to guarantee that the bikes found on the track are roughly the same as those widely available to the public. The bikes sold this way are sometimes touted as "race replicas" or "homologation specials."

Although a tripling of motorcycle sales over the past decade accounts for some of the rising death rate, fatal motorcycle accidents have also risen proportionally.
Over the time period of the IIHS study, from 2000 to 2005, the death rate for motorcyclists rose to 7.5 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles from 7.1. In the same period, the percentage of motorcycle deaths among all highway fatalities rose to 10% from 7%. Superbike riders had a death rate of 22.5 for every 10,000 registered motorcycles.

In 2005, riders 40 or older accounted for 47% of motorcycle fatalities, compared with 24% 10 years earlier. In the same period, the fatality percentage for riders younger than 30 years of age fell to 32% from 41%. Safety officials attribute this in part to a tendency of "returning" riders to overestimate their ability to handle the latest powerful bikes.

"You have a lot of people saying, 'I'm in my 40s and I want to start riding motorcycles again,'" says Daniel Lonsdorf, director of the Wisconsin Bureau of Transportation Safety. "But these aren't the same motorcycles they remember from 20 years ago."
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God damn technology!

its such a bad thing isnt it? killing all these innocent people. :roll:

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great post !!

Turn the clock back 40 years to 1967, and they were saying *exactly* the same things about the new Kawasaki H1 500 2-stroke triple....

".....mind-numbingly fast....."

"......only for experienced riders....."

".....8 riders killed in NZ in the first month....."

I wonder if that reporter has ever heard of a Bugatti Veyron ? even your common-or-garden Lambo is good for over 300kmh these days *yawn* :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Gosling1 wrote:great post !!

I wonder if that reporter has ever heard of a Bugatti Veyron ? even your common-or-garden Lambo is good for over 300kmh these days *yawn* :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Strika wrote:
Over the time period of the IIHS study, from 2000 to 2005, the death rate for motorcyclists rose to 7.5 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles from 7.1. In the same period, the percentage of motorcycle deaths among all highway fatalities rose to 10% from 7%. Superbike riders had a death rate of 22.5 for every 10,000 registered motorcycles.

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So how does this work ? Within those 7.5 deaths per 10,000 is 22.5 dead Superbike riders per 10,000 bikes . Maybe Superbike riders are only a third of a motorcyclist which works for Suzuki riders I supose :roll:
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I don't know why they keep mentioning the Fukati at 160hp is all great and powerful. I thought the ZX10R already made 171hp in 2004 :?
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Gosling1 wrote:great post !!

Turn the clock back 40 years to 1967, and they were saying *exactly* the same things about the new Kawasaki H1 500 2-stroke triple....

".....mind-numbingly fast....."

"......only for experienced riders....."
seem to recall my ol'man saying sumthing like that when I bought my MachIII


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A stock standard Toyota Corolla will do 220 out of the box these days. But they also come with ABS,EBD,BRake assist, 6 airbags and ESC!!!!!! :lol:

I disagree with a lot written in that, but thought it might spark some ....err interesting banter!!! :lol: Wouldn't mid hearing from some of those born again bikers they are referring to and get there thoughts on modern day bikes. I really never stopped riding, so kinda eveolved alongside the bikes. You know, the hair on my palms dissapeared just as bikes got mono shocks etc etc., So I guess I never noticed a big difference. I guess if you had had a twenty or more year break, the difference might be a little more noticeable. However, I reckon bikes are much easier to ride these days than ever before. Sure they have double the power, but they steer, stop and handle light years ahead of the old stuff. They are also more stable in every way. The controls are lighter, the bikes are physically smaller, lighter and easier to manage. Brakes, Gears, Steering and throttle all require way less effort. :)
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Strika wrote:A stock standard Toyota Corolla will do 220 out of the box these days. But they also come with ABS,EBD,BRake assist, 6 airbags and ESC!!!!!! :lol:

I disagree with a lot written in that, but thought it might spark some ....err interesting banter!!! :lol: Wouldn't mid hearing from some of those born again bikers they are referring to and get there thoughts on modern day bikes. I really never stopped riding, so kinda eveolved alongside the bikes. You know, the hair on my palms dissapeared just as bikes got mono shocks etc etc., So I guess I never noticed a big difference. I guess if you had had a twenty or more year break, the difference might be a little more noticeable. However, I reckon bikes are much easier to ride these days than ever before. Sure they have double the power, but they steer, stop and handle light years ahead of the old stuff. They are also more stable in every way. The controls are lighter, the bikes are physically smaller, lighter and easier to manage. Brakes, Gears, Steering and throttle all require way less effort. :)
See, I think this is where the issue really lies. Sick carnt #14 wants to impress his friends straight off his Ls so he asks mum and dad for a new gixxer thou and puts it down the road with himself following quickly after due to utter inexperience. These new bikes sure do turn great and stop great etc, but they require less effort, as you said... these skills that you've developed whilst growing up with the technology have helped you out of sight but because you're exposed to it all the time, it's probably nothing to you. I just think growing up with the technology is so different - it's like how a four year old these days can fix a PC whilst daddy's sitting back, looking at his 8-track and wondering how it jams into the box so he can listen to it ;)

So sick carnt #14 is jumping on a bike that he sees all the pros controlling so easily and thinks that he can do it because they can do it... then he joins a statistics column in the paper because he hasn't had the gradual experience over years that develop his motor skills, coordination and judgement that would allow him to actually control such a bucking monster.
Strika wrote: So how does this work ? Within those 7.5 deaths per 10,000 is 22.5 dead Superbike riders per 10,000 bikes . Maybe Superbike riders are only a third of a motorcyclist which works for Suzuki riders I supose :roll:
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So I take it a 2005 ZX10 is a deadlier bike than a 1981 GSX1100 because it undoubtedly has more power. I've ridden both and can tell you without a doubt the 10 is a much safer bike. Yes it has a bucketload more power, but if you get into shit you can lean it further and it will do it, you can brake harder and it will do it, you can accelerate harder and it will do it.

The issue is the rider having the ability to do these things......so is the problem that the bikes are too powerful or that the people riding them need more training.

In the case of the born again's yes there is a problem. They got their license when all you had to do was ride around the block successfully, and most rode buckets of shite, probably not all that well. Put the same bloke on the Kawasaki Z1000 he used to own in the 70's and it's modern day equivalent after 20 years off and he'd probably kill himself on either.
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Plus they are US stats...and they even mention their "more liberal helmet laws". Aside from how they've picked out the specific stats to illustrate their point, you have to be careful applying them to the situation in Australia.
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Our entire COUNTRY's road toll isn't the 5000-odd they mentioned in the article, let alone the bike demographic :P

According to this article, the US have the second-highest fatality count per capita:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/2852/road-t ... ing-worse/" target="_blank" target="_blank

The #1 award goes to.... GREECE! (not surprised... a lot of my Greek mates tell me how they drive over there).

I think the article in the original post is based on rednecks, mainly. America has a higher population of rednecks than anywhere else and that, whilst being scary in itself, is also the reason why there are so many fatalities. America seems to have more people with more mental issues than anywhere else and psychotic rednecks on bikes = guaranteed fatality and no foxes for their inbred family to eat for dinner.*

*Could be inaccurate and possibly racist. Possibly.
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Glen wrote:So I take it a 2005 ZX10 is a deadlier bike than a 1981 GSX1100 because it undoubtedly has more power. I've ridden both and can tell you without a doubt the 10 is a much safer bike. Yes it has a bucketload more power, but if you get into shit you can lean it further and it will do it, you can brake harder and it will do it, you can accelerate harder and it will do it.
The issue is the rider having the ability to do these things......so is the problem that the bikes are too powerful or that the people riding them need more training.
In the case of the born again's yes there is a problem. They got their license when all you had to do was ride around the block successfully, and most rode buckets of shite, probably not all that well. Put the same bloke on the Kawasaki Z1000 he used to own in the 70's and it's modern day equivalent after 20 years off and he'd probably kill himself on either.
Glen..got agree

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Some (school) mates who also got licences at the start of the 70s did drop off in the 80s and only started riding
again in the noughties. All but one of those is still riding today..the rest crashed or scared themselves silly
or their missus told 'em they would be temporary Aussies..or to grow up...or whatever they have sold their bikes .
All of them 2nd time around got ....BIG bikes. Yes, HDs but also stuff like 916 Ducs or Triumph Sprints or VTRs
NO 2fiddys for these guys...coz we can ride. Unfortunately most of them found out that they could not or were
not as good 2nd time around.


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All the more reason to never give up riding, no matter what the reason...licence permitting of course eh Gos?
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Strika wrote:Wouldn't mid hearing from some of those born again bikers they are referring to and get there thoughts on modern day bikes.
My old man had a '77 CB750. He hadn't ridden it for about 15 years (it was just garaged), and I went to his place with the Z750.

His exact words as he was leaving on it were : "A 750 is a 750, it can't be that much better".

I know the Zed's not a supersports by any means, but when he came back after about 5 minutes, white knuckled, with eyes open wide, I think he realised how much further bikes had developed in that 15 years. :lol:
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