The Pace How to ride the street..

[z900/zx9]

I suppose "Bat out of hell" is actually "a pace"

I would more call it red mist

I never wrote that and i am certainly no meatloaf but i will admit to a bit of a gentle fang from time to time

[dave#3]

I trail brake into corners,some but not all. I hope I am not messing up peoples entry into corners??

Not at all Joe. Trail braking is fine, and to be honest braking in general is fine too if it's in a controlled and smooth manner. What I witnessed was people fanging on the straight bits and then parking it into a corner forcing all and sundry behind to brake hard and take action to avoid running into them.

The reality is that there's heaps of dickheads on the road doing just that and I take it upon myself to avoid them, it's just that when I'm riding with mates I don't expect them to be the dickheads

[Ron]

Thanks for that Hoff, we had a big ride for mental awareness week on the 9th of Aug ,there was over 550 bikes ,mine was the only Barge . It was an awesome feeling to not see the beginning in front or the end in your mirrors of the line of bikes. Should have actually posted something on here advertising the ride my bad, always next year. The Barge is more of a bike than I will ever become a rider,so I give her the uttmost respect and also know my limits. You never can stop learning , no matter how much experience you have.

[2006zx10r]

Good topic. It also reminds me why i dont take part in group rides or ask anyone to come for a ride anymore. Too many "Rossi"s on the roads these days, and try as you might some peole just cant be educated unless they have a near fatal.

The last guy that wanted to come for a ride, is 22 justb purchased a new r1, has told me he will keep up because he has already done 210 down beach road ??? what the fuk is wrong with some people ???

[Cath]

what the fuk is wrong with some people ???

Lots is wrong with some people. That's such a shitty attitude from that R1 dude. I wouldn't ride with him either. I'm careful who I ride with, and in a group situation if I'm not happy with who is riding directly in front of me, or one or two bikes behind, I'll wave people through*, change group position or something, just so I'm riding near those whose skils I trust more.


*(I'll also wave people through if I want to ride at the back, ride with someone else for a change or I'm tired, or whatever - so please don't take this personally if I've ever waved you through - there's lots of reasons I do it, not just the above reason!)

[Phil]

what the fuk is wrong with some people ???

Lots is wrong with some people. That's such a shitty attitude from that R1 dude. I wouldn't ride with him either. I'm careful who I ride with, and in a group situation if I'm not happy with who is riding directly in front of me, or one or two bikes behind, I'll wave people through*, change group position or something, just so I'm riding near those whose skils I trust more.


*(I'll also wave people through if I want to ride at the back, ride with someone else for a change or I'm tired, or whatever - so please don't take this personally if I've ever waved you through - there's lots of reasons I do it, not just the above reason!)

This is typical of your inexperienced rider in that they think that because he has an R1 and someone else has say a 600 that Mr R1 would be faster casue he's on the R1 and the other dude is on a 600. In reality all people with any idea know its 98% the rider not the bike. I sure as hell would have no hope of keeping the likes of a J Stauffer, J Waters or W Maxwell in sight whatever they were riding

Now, must go back throught the memory banks and see if Cath has ever waved me through

[robracer]

Cath the regulars know your philosophy behind changing riding positions & where you ride & I for one respect your openness about the subject, I keep thinking about last years Gingers creek & how your whole approach to certain situations were the most logical as far as safety for yourself & others goes, there are allot of people out there that get very narrow minded when it comes to riding positions & will tend to do stupid things rather than err on the side of caution

[Cath]

Now, must go back throught the memory banks and see if Cath has ever waved me through

Smart arse!
If I have mate - the reason was because you're waaaaaay faster than me, not because I don't trust ya!


Yeah Rob - some people think that the closer to the front of the pack they ride, the bigger their balls must be. But when the pace is faster, they end up looking worse riding above their ability (because it is very obvious when someone is pushing it and doesn't have the skills to back it up) than if they had've stayed a couple of riders back - and they probably learn less too!
And yeah - last Gingers run was a perfect example, Rob. I wasn't riding particularly well, things just weren't flowing, then I had a "moment" in some gravel, so recognising I wasn't on my best form, I backed off, waved people through and still had a fun day, without pushing and running ragged trying to keep up with where I thought I should be. I think the key is recognising what's going on and being honest with yourself and doing it without listening to your ego! Sometimes that ego is too loud, but it often gives the worst advice (stupid ego).
For me, what it comes down to is how much I love riding and how much I love my riding mates. Heaps. I don't want to be in hospital, or have my friends in hospital, or bikes broken up - that means no riding, while stuff gets fixed! I'd rather back it off a little, and make sure I get home that day, because there's always tomorrow or the next day to push my limits a little if everything feels good, or the situation is appropriate. Or there's the track. Instead of being without a bike for months, or off the road and in pain for months - think of all the fun riding you're missing out on!


I really hope the above doesn't come back and bite me next weekend - I hope I'm not tempting fate!

[Blurr]

Now, must go back throught the memory banks and see if Cath has ever waved me through

mmmmmm..... I am now digging through my memory bank also

[Tinman]

Now, must go back throught the memory banks and see if Cath has ever waved me through

Smart arse!
If I have mate - the reason was because you're waaaaaay faster than me, not because I don't trust ya!


Yeah Rob - some people think that the closer to the front of the pack they ride, the bigger their balls must be. But when the pace is faster, they end up looking worse riding above their ability (because it is very obvious when someone is pushing it and doesn't have the skills to back it up) than if they had've stayed a couple of riders back - and they probably learn less too!
And yeah - last Gingers run was a perfect example, Rob. I wasn't riding particularly well, things just weren't flowing, then I had a "moment" in some gravel, so recognising I wasn't on my best form, I backed off, waved people through and still had a fun day, without pushing and running ragged trying to keep up with where I thought I should be. I think the key is recognising what's going on and being honest with yourself and doing it without listening to your ego! Sometimes that ego is too loud, but it often gives the worst advice (stupid ego).
For me, what it comes down to is how much I love riding and how much I love my riding mates. Heaps. I don't want to be in hospital, or have my friends in hospital, or bikes broken up - that means no riding, while stuff gets fixed! I'd rather back it off a little, and make sure I get home that day, because there's always tomorrow or the next day to push my limits a little if everything feels good, or the situation is appropriate. Or there's the track. Instead of being without a bike for months, or off the road and in pain for months - think of all the fun riding you're missing out on!


I really hope the above doesn't come back and bite me next weekend - I hope I'm not tempting fate!

Well said Cath.....

I'm a grama on the road, I preffer to keep better corner speed. Than to race up to the next corner, get off the bike push the bike around the corner, jump back on and get back onto gas...... been on one of thoughs rides before at night and will never do it again......

Cause their so fast

[Nelso]

Like Russel and Phil wait to be waved through.

[hoffy]

Hey, I get waived through heaps !

[Dizzi]

I know I am getting better at riding and my skills are getting better, but not because I push myself against other people (or race others as I have been asked to ) but I push myself within my own limits and listen and learn to everything everyone tells me on how I can be a better and safer rider, as I have had it proved to me with Ty on the posit, it's not the bike that makes you the amazing rider but you, which is why I am always happy to stay at the back, if I catch up to someone then to me it's great I am getting better but not against that person but against me, which is why I guess I won't overtake, I'll hang back and enjoy the cruise instead. As has been said before the road is not a race track, it's there to be enjoyed by all and to have fun together not to race against each other, you wanna open your bike up I say do it at the track.

[B-Ry]

I'm with Dizzi on that, funny that, I like sitting back and just riding, generally prefer to follow then lead.

[mick_dundee]

A good read for sure, what's CSS and I think "Never cross the centerline except to pass. Crossing the centerline in a corner is an instant ticket and an admittance that you can't really steer your bike. In racing terms, your lane is your course; staying RIGHT of the line adds a significant challenge to most roads and is mandatory for sport riding's future." should probably be LEFT here in Aus