Major problem....
Major problem....
I've stripped and rebuilt the callipers on my track bike, bolted up some new braided brake lines and refilled the system but now I can't get any pressure from the master cylinder! Have changed it for the one on my spare bike and still the same thing; no pressure from the brake lever!
Obviously this is a problem and I need to get it sorted so I am after any guidance on how to get it sorted. I can change the calipers for my spare set if needs be but I can't imagine the problem being the calipers as I've rebuilt a few sets previously and never had a problem!
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'm booked into EC on September 10th for my first track day here and would hate to lose my slot!
Obviously this is a problem and I need to get it sorted so I am after any guidance on how to get it sorted. I can change the calipers for my spare set if needs be but I can't imagine the problem being the calipers as I've rebuilt a few sets previously and never had a problem!
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'm booked into EC on September 10th for my first track day here and would hate to lose my slot!
Road, Sky, Road, Sky, Road..... Ambulance
1993 ZXR750 Track Bike
1994 ZXR750 Ongoing project
1993 ZXR750 Track Bike
1994 ZXR750 Ongoing project
- steve086
- KSRC Member
- Posts: 268
- Joined: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:00 pm
- Bike: Honda
- State: New South Wales
- Location: albion park nsw
Re: Major problem....
Try putting a cable tie on the brake lever with the leaver into the bar over night then bleed the brakes again my tz250 had that problem and doing that fixed it.
- MadKaw
- Administrator
- Posts: 9671
- Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:33 pm
- Bike: ZX10R
- State: New South Wales
- Location: Windsor or the Creek..
- Contact:
Re: Major problem....
Keep pumping.!!
Or try sucking the fluid thru. I've done mine a few times and it can take over an hour just pumping the lever if its completely dry.

Or try sucking the fluid thru. I've done mine a few times and it can take over an hour just pumping the lever if its completely dry.
Dave
2010 Z1000
ex bikes
05 ZX-10R Race Bike - No.77
95 ZXR750R M Race Bike - No. 75
98 ZX9R Race Bike - No. 000
zx6r, zx7r, GPX750, GPX500, lots of KX's.

I ride way too fast to worry about cholesterol
2010 Z1000
ex bikes
05 ZX-10R Race Bike - No.77
95 ZXR750R M Race Bike - No. 75
98 ZX9R Race Bike - No. 000
zx6r, zx7r, GPX750, GPX500, lots of KX's.

I ride way too fast to worry about cholesterol
- holdontight
- KSRC Member
- Posts: 110
- Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:37 pm
- Bike: ZX10R
- State: New South Wales
- Location: muswellbrook
Re: Major problem....
Yep do that.MadKaw wrote:Keep pumping.!!![]()
I love my new ZX10. It scares the shit out of me.
- Glen
- VIP MEMBER
- Posts: 7268
- Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:30 am
- Bike: ZRX
- State: New South Wales
- Location: Kellyville
Re: Major problem....
As Dave said, if it won't pump up suck it through. Stick some hose on the bleed nipple, open it up, makw sure there's fluid in the master and suck on the hose until you see fluid. You'll probably ingest some shit but it hasn't killed me yet. That all sounds somewhat homo but get your mind out of the gutter and it works.
It's really all about standing around drinking Dave's beer.
2008 ZRX1200 Greeeeen Roadie
2016 KTM Superduke 1290 Oraaaaange
2016 Seadoo RXTX300
Too many toys.......work is getting in the way!!!!
2008 ZRX1200 Greeeeen Roadie
2016 KTM Superduke 1290 Oraaaaange
2016 Seadoo RXTX300
Too many toys.......work is getting in the way!!!!
- Maddog
- KSRC Regular
- Posts: 623
- Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:22 pm
- Bike: It's not worth Mentioning
- State: New South Wales
Re: Major problem....
Use a syringe to suck it through the hose.Glen wrote:As Dave said, if it won't pump up suck it through. Stick some hose on the bleed nipple, open it up, makw sure there's fluid in the master and suck on the hose until you see fluid. You'll probably ingest some shit but it hasn't killed me yet. That all sounds somewhat homo but get your mind out of the gutter and it works.
That way ya don't get any of that homo stuff in ya mouth..


The Older I Get The FASTER I Was
You start with a bag of luck and an empty bag of experience.
The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck...
You start with a bag of luck and an empty bag of experience.
The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck...
- TONY-J
- KSRC Member
- Posts: 163
- Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:54 pm
- Bike: ZX14R
- State: South Australia
- Location: s.a
Re: Major problem....
i had this problem on my rz350 after a caliper rebuild , i tried all of the above an even changed to a bigger m/c and none worked for me.
i had a heap of air behind the pistons in the calipers since i had removed them, so i took the pads out pumped and pumped until the pistons came most the way out, then push the pistons back as fast and hard as you can at the same time undoing the bleed nipple.
do that a couple times an you will have full pressure again.............well thats what worked for me anyway.
i had a heap of air behind the pistons in the calipers since i had removed them, so i took the pads out pumped and pumped until the pistons came most the way out, then push the pistons back as fast and hard as you can at the same time undoing the bleed nipple.
do that a couple times an you will have full pressure again.............well thats what worked for me anyway.
84 RZ350
84 GPZ900r
91 ZZR1100
06 ZX14
84 GPZ900r
91 ZZR1100
06 ZX14
-
- KSRC Member
- Posts: 426
- Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:03 am
- Bike: ZXR750
- State: Victoria
Re: Major problem....
Did you bleed the master cylinder before you bled from the calipers?
Ex T.K.A. ZXR 750 RR
ZXR 7/9 L3 Streetfighter
ZX9 C Trackbike - ex Maccarocks & Slow & Wobbly... still a weapon!
Plus a ZX7 & a few ZXR Ls & ZX9 Bs & Cs in various stages of completion.
ZXR 7/9 L3 Streetfighter
ZX9 C Trackbike - ex Maccarocks & Slow & Wobbly... still a weapon!
Plus a ZX7 & a few ZXR Ls & ZX9 Bs & Cs in various stages of completion.
Re: Major problem....
Make sure your lever isn't bent, even slightly. It WILL make a difference.
I had the same problem. After 4 days of rebuilding calipers, m/c's, braided lines and getting no pressure, it turned out to be a very very slightly bent lever was the cause.
I had the same problem. After 4 days of rebuilding calipers, m/c's, braided lines and getting no pressure, it turned out to be a very very slightly bent lever was the cause.
Re: Major problem....
Did you bleed the M/C?
Crack the bango's at the M/C and see if that helps
Crack the bango's at the M/C and see if that helps
Phil
2018 Z900RS
2017 Z125 Pro
HCC - Road Captain
2018 Z900RS
2017 Z125 Pro
HCC - Road Captain
-
- KSRC Member
- Posts: 105
- Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:36 am
- Bike: ZX10R
- State: New South Wales
Re: Major problem....
This is good advice! Always works on a completely dry but air-tight system!steve086 wrote:Try putting a cable tie on the brake lever with the leaver into the bar over night then bleed the brakes again my tz250 had that problem and doing that fixed it.
Had a similar issue on a mates R6 race bike, we spent hours and hours trying to get lever pressure, turned out that there was a misaligned gasket in the calipers after the rebuild and was causing a tiny air leak!
No fluid in the caliper meant no visible fluid leak!
You will not get any lever if there is even the smallest of leaks!
Re: Major problem....
UPDATE
BIG thanks to RobRacer for coming round to help me fix the brakes!
Seems like I've trapped one of the o-ring seals on a calliper and that was letting in air as we changed to one of my spare callipers and bled it through now all is good!
Looking forward to the track day again now!
Maybe buy a new 520 chain and sprockets?!?
Big thanks to all for the advice!
BIG thanks to RobRacer for coming round to help me fix the brakes!
Seems like I've trapped one of the o-ring seals on a calliper and that was letting in air as we changed to one of my spare callipers and bled it through now all is good!
Looking forward to the track day again now!
Maybe buy a new 520 chain and sprockets?!?
Big thanks to all for the advice!
Road, Sky, Road, Sky, Road..... Ambulance
1993 ZXR750 Track Bike
1994 ZXR750 Ongoing project
1993 ZXR750 Track Bike
1994 ZXR750 Ongoing project
- King Nicholas
- KSRC Member
- Posts: 411
- Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:11 pm
- Bike: It's not worth Mentioning
- State: New South Wales
- Contact:
-
- KSRC Member
- Posts: 105
- Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:36 am
- Bike: ZX10R
- State: New South Wales
Re: Major problem....
So I was right!!!!?JimZXR wrote:UPDATE
BIG thanks to RobRacer for coming round to help me fix the brakes!
Seems like I've trapped one of the o-ring seals on a calliper and that was letting in air as we changed to one of my spare callipers and bled it through now all is good!
Looking forward to the track day again now!
Maybe buy a new 520 chain and sprockets?!?
Big thanks to all for the advice!
Glad you got it sorted!
- matchan
- KSRC Contributor
- Posts: 1351
- Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:03 am
- Bike: ZX6R
- State: New South Wales
- Location: Sydney
Re: Major problem....
Good news, Rob is THE brake guy!JimZXR wrote:UPDATE
BIG thanks to RobRacer for coming round to help me fix the brakes!