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If you own a Hyosung and are on your L's or P's, for fucks sake slow down!

Today Leanne and I witnessed (and stopped to help) the second crash in the last two rides we've been on involving L and P plater riders (with no idea), on Hyosung bikes.

The first one crashed on a straight bit of road as he was going the opposite way to us. We pulled up as we saw him sliding to a stop and Leanne turned to chase down his two mates that were riding with him while I helped him and picked his bike up. He said as he went over the crest of the hill he got a bad head shake and the bike just went down. Leanne and I thought he might have tried to do a wheelie or something equally as stupid at the crest of the hill which caused the head shake as we couldn't work out how a gutless bike like that could manage to lift the front wheel just riding it normally. In talking with him he clearly had no idea about riding, safety, or bikes in general.

We came across today's numpty just after leaving the Robbo pie shop on the way home. We caught up to him in the first lot of corners and when he saw us behind him he pulled to the left of the lane to wave us through. He was a bit wobbly, the corners were tight and we had Trox with us who had fallen behind a bit, so rather than blast past him sharing the lane we slowed down to sit behind him and wait for Troy to catch up before we came to a better place to go around. Mr Wobbly-P-Plater realised we were staying behind him and pulled back into the centre of the lane, but then took off like a scalded cat (compared to the speed he was travelling). It lasted 3 corners before ambition outweighed ability and right in front of us he panicked, ran wide and decked it, hitting a sign on the side of the road.

As I was the second bike behind him I was already stopping as I passed him and his bike, tumbling along the side of the road, but then they hit the road sign and the bike bounced back out onto the edge of the road, nearly taking me out. I stopped about 10 metres past him and by the time I was off the bike and turned around he was standing up and walking to his bike. I was expecting to see him all messed up after hitting the sign post so it was a relief to see him up and about. During the post-crash conversation I was saying he shouldn't be worrying about people behind him and he should just stick to riding his own pace and his response was that he didn't want to hold us up. :shock:

In both cases there wasn't much damage to the bike so they could still ride it to get it home. Also in both cases, despite the cargo pants and joggers style of riding gear they managed to come out of it without too many injuries. I think they managed to not take any bark off by doing most of the sliding on the grass next to the road rather than on the tar but the potential for injury, espescially for today's crash was huge. Looking at how well they both managed to come out of their respective crashes, they are both extremely lucky.

Both of these riders were clueless. Yes, we were all a bit clueless about riding when we started, but these guys had no idea about bikes in general, riding technique or keeping themselves safe and in both cases they were riding with other beginners who also had no idea. It scares me to think just how many of these potential Darwin awards are out there and it also reminded me of how lucky I was to have people that knew what they were doing, who took the time to teach me (many of them from KSRC). :kuda:
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I think being an L or P plater the best asset you can have is being a member of a club like KSRC....When I was on my L/P's I had 1 other guy I rode with who was also a P plater and thought we were quick and knew how to steer a bike....How wrong we were :oops: ....It wasn't till I met a few from here that I realised how much you have to learn from experienced rider's....I myself still consider myself a noob with a hell of a lot to learn but also have come a long way IMO from when I first joined here....So IMO if your an L/P plater and can get the help/aid of a good experienced mentor take take the help with open arm's :kuda: ...

Oh and top job stopping to help guy's and I'm sure it didn't take leanne too long to catch his mate's ;) :lol:
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Bikes, even modest ones like Hyosung, mixed with the invincibility of youth will always have potential for 'ambition exceeding ability'.

Disco's right on the money. If all new riders were able to take advantage of the knowledge and skill from groups such as KSRC then maybe the prangs and near misses would be greatly reduced.

The problem still exists that the newer rider quite often doesn't appreciate what they don't know.
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laidback wrote: Disco's right on the money. If all new riders were able to take advantage of the knowledge and skill from groups such as KSRC then maybe the prangs and near misses would be greatly reduced.


Definately! the added bonus of KSRC is that you also get the opportunity to meet awesome people and the occasional kick in the arse when you need it :lol: :kuda:

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Do not stay behind them, should have just blasted past him. They wont just take themselves down but anyone in the vacinity :x
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Disco wrote:I think being an L or P plater the best asset you can have is being a member of a club like KSRC....When I was on my L/P's I had 1 other guy I rode with who was also a P plater and thought we were quick and knew how to steer a bike....How wrong we were :oops: ....It wasn't till I met a few from here that I realised how much you have to learn from experienced rider's....I myself still consider myself a noob with a hell of a lot to learn but also have come a long way IMO from when I first joined here....So IMO if your an L/P plater and can get the help/aid of a good experienced mentor take take the help with open arm's :kuda: ...

Oh and top job stopping to help guy's and I'm sure it didn't take leanne too long to catch his mate's ;) :lol:
you're still slow :shock: :lol:

kidding mate... i agree... best thign for my riding was joining this club :shock:
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Having ridden bikes of one kind or another now for over forty years and I'm still learning, membership of an organisation such as KSRC is an invaluable tool for learning whether you're a noobie or an old fossil like me, eg bikes are constantly evolving and what were the correct riding techniques back a few years may no longer be applicable, (I currently ride a ZR7 and am running a friend's brand new ZX6R in for her and to be honest that 6 scares the crap out of me, awesome power and lightning quick handling) but as to noobies we have just had an instance up here with a very young rider not long off his P's who took a suburban corner too fast on a near new ZX10, clipped the kerb and high sided, bike bounced back across him, wearing shorts, t-shirt and bloody thongs, he's in Royal Darwin Hospital still in intensive care and the prognosis is not good, so at least your noobies were wearing some gear! Oh and one for the Twilight Zone, the woman who first stopped ro assist and who weighed in at all of 53kgs lifted the 10 off him, she was a nurse on her way to work for a night shift and definitely saved his life at the scene, a real sorry thing though is that two taxis following quite closely just swerved round it all and kept going!
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I reckon it's the Gen "Y" factor. The youth of today really don't have a clue. The do what is needed to progress, without understanding why...... ie... If I do this, this, and that, then they will give me a licence to ride. Their concern is in passing the test, not learning to ride. "We can do that later, just get the licence first" was a comment from my own son when he got his licence :roll:

I saw a couple young fella's pull up at Macca's McGraths Hill yesterday, both on near new 250 Kwaka's, with the usual Jeans and Joggers :roll: They rode through the carpark like they were the only two guys going to Maccas that day. Riding too fast through the carpark and without a head check :roll: They left their Helmets, Gloves etc on their bikes while they were inside out of view, but what really amazed me was, one bike still had the keys in the ignition :shock: Anyway I stickered them, so hopefully they will join ksrc and gain some experience from others like has been mentioned above...........
Thinking back after I had left... I should have grabbed the keys, their gear, taken it inside and educated them both...
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Nah, should have grabbed the keys and gear and waited away a bit to see the panic set in when they got back! :lol:
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loubre wrote:Nah, should have grabbed the keys and gear and waited away a bit to see the panic set in when they got back! :lol:
Probably right too, they may have learnt something... My way they would of said "stupid old bastard what would he know"
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Yep, can't tell em anything, but an object lesson usually gets the message across!
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smithy5 wrote:I reckon it's the Gen "Y" factor. The youth of today really don't have a clue. The do what is needed to progress, without understanding why...... ie... If I do this, this, and that, then they will give me a licence to ride. Their concern is in passing the test, not learning to ride. "We can do that later, just get the licence first" was a comment from my own son when he got his licence :roll:

I saw a couple young fella's pull up at Macca's McGraths Hill yesterday, both on near new 250 Kwaka's, with the usual Jeans and Joggers :roll: They rode through the carpark like they were the only two guys going to Maccas that day. Riding too fast through the carpark and without a head check :roll: They left their Helmets, Gloves etc on their bikes while they were inside out of view, but what really amazed me was, one bike still had the keys in the ignition :shock: Anyway I stickered them, so hopefully they will join ksrc and gain some experience from others like has been mentioned above...........
Thinking back after I had left... I should have grabbed the keys, their gear, taken it inside and educated them both...
who cares if they leave their gear on their bike?? :? i dont condone riding like an idiot (cos ive never done that :lol: ) also the worst offender of leaving their keys in the ignition i know of isnt exactly young (hey matt :P )

but i think all you old folk love to look at life through rose coloured glasses... your parents were probably saying the same thing about you :lol:
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zx-10r wrote:Do not stay behind them, should have just blasted past him. They wont just take themselves down but anyone in the vacinity :x
Did we cross paths at the top of the Pass yesterday? We were on a green 2010 ZX10 and a green ZRX and waved at a green 10 like yours. I thought it might have been you at the time.
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Six Addict wrote:but i think all you old folk love to look at life through rose coloured glasses... your parents were probably saying the same thing about you :lol:
They were, and for good reason. It's because they know better and don't want the young ones to make the same mistakes as them. I wish I had learnt that lesson much earlier in life.
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It's not his fault, he was on a hyosung. No it isn't all of us, i think u can tell how serious they r with the gear they wear, no gloves at the very least still amazes me. I had at the bear minimum on my L's lid, gloves, jacket, draggins and boots, and I did read up a lot on countersteering, throttle application and what not. It's too dangerous a hobby not to. I also never really rode with other learners, so it was never a competition. Unfortunately on the way home from the creek yesterday I saw an L player with only a helmet as protection attempting to impress me in a traffic light gp, which I wasn't aware I was even involved with until I hit the speed limit and she flew by. Hopefully she gets educated before she has a stack or she may decide or have the decision made for her to cut her riding career short, I just couldn't keep up to tell her lol

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