NSW major demerit point restructure as of 2011

[mike-s]

Just saw on the smh that there are a number of changes with regard to a variety of laws from toll increases to land tax to demerit points in NSW as of Jan 1st. With the BIG ones as far as this forum being concerned being
1) professional drivers will now get 14 points and the remaining full license holders will get 13 points,
2) a major reweighting of demerit points for 22 offences (link)
3) Section 10 dismissal of offences will now longer still get the demeit points, you get it 10'd and the whole thing is *gone*.

NSW drivers who are given a Section 10 dismissal by the court for a driving offence will now
no longer incur demerit points, following the NSW Parliament’s passage today of landmark
legislation to make motoring laws fairer.

Currently, a driver who is found guilty of an offence under Section 10 of the Crimes
(Sentencing Procedure) Act 1999 may have their charges dismissed but still have demerit
points recorded.

4) Mobile speed cameras MUST now have signs 50m before the vehicle.

Mobile Speed Cameras

Warning signs will be positioned at least 50 metres prior to vehicles housing mobile speed cameras.

Cars will be clearly signposted and marked in bright colours.

This is in addition to secondary signs posted after the vehicles, implemented in July this year.

Theres a few things being evaluated with study groups, including looking at implimenting "hardship licences" to permit people to get to/from work & to do critical family duties like trips to the emergency room.

The initial story i read.
Upon further reading i found a few more,
The Transport ministers press release.
A further NSW Govt media release &a FAQ/media release by a law firm

Interesting times indeed.

[laidback]

I'm surprised that these now are 0 points.

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From what I've seen these cause most collisions at roundabouts... Saw one a week ago where driver in left lane turned right and smacked into a ute in right lane going straight ahead.

[matt1414]

Nice to see the RTA now have to play by the same rules the police did for years and have to have the signs well before the camera car and the camera car must also have signs etc on it

[ty]

The rta link you gave in your point 2 says unrestricted license holders still have 12 points. Though I had heard 13 from the NRMA

[mike-s]

The rta link still says 12, however the govt press release (pdf & webpage ) both say 13/14.

[olcoop]

What's the definition of a professional driver?

[mike-s]

I had a look for this and found a couple of things relating to this being discussed and approved in parliament (pdf link, this seems to have gone though, Googledocs quickview is still there though).


for those that care the whole thing is here, though the non relevant bits are in teeny tiny text so it's not obtrusive for those that don't care too much.

Agreement in Principle

Mr DAVID BORGER (Granville—Minister for Roads, and Minister for Western Sydney) [7.58 p.m.]: I move:

That this bill be now agreed to in principle.

The object of the Road Transport (Driver Licensing) Amendment Bill 2010 is to amend the Road Transport (Driver Licensing) Act 1998 to increase the number of demerit points required to be accumulated before unrestricted licence holders are subject to licence suspensions and other sanctions. This amendment seeks to increase the current number of demerit points that can be accumulated by unrestricted licence holders from 12 to 13 and increase the number of demerit points that can be accumulated by professional drivers from 12 to 14 on the basis of additional time spent on the roads. This amendment will not apply to learner or provisional licence holders.

The three-year period in which demerit point penalties are kept on a licence will remain, as will the operation of the 12-month good behaviour period. It is important that these new reforms do not extend to young people setting out on their driving careers. They face particular challenges because of their age and experience on the road network. Good reforms introduced recently with respect to provisional drivers have helped to keep down the road toll and maintain a safe environment for young people in particular.

Therefore, the increase in the number of demerit points will not extend to those categories of licence holders in New South Wales. This amendment defines a "professional" driver as a person whose primary work involves personally driving a motor vehicle on roads in or outside of the State—that is, if they are a licence holder of this State. Evidentiary provisions, set out in accompanying regulations, will stipulate that the Roads and Traffic Authority [RTA] can determine whether the person is a professional driver. This will enable the RTA to request a person to submit information about the person's work so the RTA can determine whether the person is a professional driver. A person who does not provide the requested information may be treated as if they were not a professional driver for demerit points purposes. It is important that in drafting provisions down the track— provided this legislation is supported in both Houses—we look at making those provisions tight so they are not abused.

These amendments are in recognition of the evolving nature of enforcement methods and the fact that New South Wales has the strongest safety regime and Demerit Points Scheme in the nation. As the NRMA has stated, if we keep coming up with new ways to catch drivers without giving something back to motorists, the public's confidence in the demerit system may wane. We are very proud of our record on safety in New South Wales. New South Wales has a strong history of innovation in the provision of technology that can keep our roads safe and drive down the New South Wales road toll. The Demerit Points Scheme is a national initiative, introduced in New South Wales in 1969, that operates in all States and the Australian Capital Territory. As an aside, I was born in 1969. The system has been in place for a long time. I note that the Premier mentioned that she was born in 1969 as well. The scheme allocates penalty points, or demerits, for a range of driving offences. The national scheme provides a reference point for Australian jurisdictions but it is not a straightjacket.

The Demerit Points Scheme has been amended on several occasions to address particular matters of public interest. However, it has been some years since key aspects of the scheme's overall operation were comprehensively reviewed or amended. It is important to note that the number of demerit-based offences has progressively grown over the years to a current level of approximately 600 demerit offences, which is substantially more than other jurisdictions. I am advised that, by comparison, the number of demerit-based offences in Queensland is approximately 347, in South Australia approximately 263, and in Victoria approximately 184. In the last decade obviously licence suspensions have increased. In some cases, licence suspensions are for very good reasons. But we need to ensure fairness in the system, fairness for drivers, and fairness for professional drivers.

About 25,000 licence holders are currently on good behaviour periods. These figures indicate that there is a strong public policy case that warrants consideration of an increase in demerit points for appropriately licensed drivers. A recent NRMA survey has found strong support for increasing the threshold number of demerit points at which suspension occurs from 12 to 13. But we know that drivers support this reform to ensure fairness. The proposal to increase the demerit point threshold for professional drivers from 12 to 14 has been enthusiastically welcomed by the Transport Workers Union and the NRMA, which suggested consideration of this reform in its October submission to the Government. Recently I attended a meeting of the Taxi Drivers Association, which meets at the Granville Kewpies Soccer Club, in Colquhoun Park in Granville. I was invited to address the 30 or 40 taxidrivers in attendance at the meeting. The taxidrivers told me before this reform was publicly announced that they felt it was a very fair initiative, and that they looked forward to supporting it as enthusiastically as they possibly could.

This amendment is in recognition of the increased exposure to enforcement that professional drivers incur as a result of their greater use of the road network and the consequences of licence suspension on their employment and family life. The Transport Workers Union yesterday issued a media release in which it commended the New South Wales Government, saying, "We have been fighting for extra points for heavy vehicle drivers for 30 years, so today is a landmark victory for our members across the State." Whilst we support professional drivers in the
supporting regulations, we will be sure to limit the classification of professional driver to ensure that eligibility criteria is tight and that only genuine people whose primary occupation is driving will qualify for this additional demerit point.

The New South Wales Government acknowledges the importance of holding a licence for a large number of people in the community. Motorists rely on the ability to drive for employment and education purposes, to access health and medical services and specialists, and to fulfil family and carer obligations. These amendments are about fairness for motorists without sacrificing safety. They are timely and proportionate responses which take into account the growth in the number of demerit points, no longer just for safety offences, and the growth of
speed and safety cameras, as well as the State's extensive highway patrol presence. Most drivers are decent, law-abiding citizens, and to expect all motorists to go through their driving lives without ever making a mistake is unrealistic. I commend this legislation to the House.

[Nelso]

I'm surprised that these now are 0 points.

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From what I've seen these cause most collisions at roundabouts... Saw one a week ago where driver in left lane turned right and smacked into a ute in right lane going straight ahead.

I got 1 point for my headlights not being bright enough when my alternator shit itself but you can turn into oncoming traffic and it's 0 points. Their priorities are all fucked up.

[hoffy]

I got stopped, not fined but warned, for doing 62 in a 60 and breath tested today at the kellyville speed trap...im such a fukin badass !!

[seiko1]

What's the definition of a professional driver?

A Bloke that drives a Hooker around dopey!

[zx-10r]

I got stopped, not fined but warned, for doing 62 in a 60 and breath tested today at the kellyville speed trap...im such a fukin badass !!

Did they seriously have a go at you about 62 in a 60 zone? What the fuck.

[Wattie]

I got stopped, not fined but warned, for doing 62 in a 60 and breath tested today at the kellyville speed trap...im such a fukin badass !!

Did they seriously have a go at you about 62 in a 60 zone? What the fuck.

Hoff was probably zig zagging warming his tyres up and flashing all the oncoming motorists. Generally attracting attention to himself.

[hoffy]

I got stopped, not fined but warned, for doing 62 in a 60 and breath tested today at the kellyville speed trap...im such a fukin badass !!

Did they seriously have a go at you about 62 in a 60 zone? What the fuck.

Yes, i could not believe it!!!! I told him you cant be serious, then he warned me that all speeding is bad and that it was my lucky day

I think they were bored and just wanted to shit me...

[s man]

This has to be the joke of the decade>>>
130 (2) Drive in right lane on road with speed limit over 80 km/h 3 2
130 (2) Disobey keep left unless overtaking 3 2

I have never seen this law inforced, ever EVER EVER!!!!!!