Gulp

[mike-s]

Not sure about tas, but NSW it is 80 for L's, 90 for red p's and 100 for green p's. so you are progressively less likely to be run over as you gain experience. That's the theory at least. Personally i just didn't display my plates (L or P) and didn't ride like a twat for their entire duration. Shortly after i got my fulls, ahem, a slightly different story

[clay]

It's complete bullshit.

Alcohol and cigarettes kill more people and is more destructive to Australian families than 'speeding'.

Poker machines and gambling are more destructive to Australian families than 'speeding'.

But the Gov. does SWEET FCUK ALL regarding the former, too much money is generated for them. And they do something about the latter because, again it makes them money.

[Wattie]

may i be excused to take a shit?

i promise i wont speed down the hallway....



i reckon zero tolerance is all that will slow people down. 1km over, fine and demerit points. people will soon work out that the government is serious.

[robracer]

Thanks for that wattie

[smithy5]

Wattie, You just go and take a shit............. and stop pretending you give a shit

[aardvark]

i reckon zero tolerance is all that will slow people down. 1km over, fine and demerit points. people will soon work out that the government is serious.

I think they should reduce all the speed limits by 10km/h and then give 10km/h tolerance.

[Nelso]

i reckon zero tolerance is all that will slow people down. 1km over, fine and demerit points. people will soon work out that the government is serious.

I think they should reduce all the speed limits by 10km/h and then give 10km/h tolerance.

The words discretion and tolerance do not exist in the highway patrol vocabulary so it would not work.

[ttc]

Shit that's a lot to read

OK the main gist I can see is the focus on speed. It seems the police focus on it too much as a cause of accidents, and it's something they can police relatively easily.

I think speed and inexperience is bad.
I think speed and alcohol is bad.
I think speed and not concentrating is bad..
I think speed and wet roads are bad..

But the speed by itself is not the be all and end all to an accident.

Yesterday I had two near misses, a young P plater lady decided she wanted my lane without looking and a tourist in a hire car was simply unable to stay within their own lane.
Today I had a guy who sped up to stop me merging onto the highway, I then saw him tailgate and then cut two cars off to take an exit. Later a truck was changing lanes and a car pulled out of a side street into the same lane.. and didn't stop when he realised the truck was halfway moving over, it was because the truck driver was smarter than he was than he didn't get squished.

Everyday I have to avoid squashing people because they do the wrong thing, I could easily kill them, but they certainly aren't speeding.

Another one is the car who will drive along under the speed limit, and then go straight through a red light. I see that EVERY day. They will kill someone.

Wednesday one of the guys from work on his bike was cleaned up by a car pulling out of a side street without looking. (he'll be ok eventually but apparently he's more metal than anything else now)


I would like to see more focusing and policing of running red lights (camera on every set of lights would be awesome), tailgators, people on mobile phones, drink drivers and yes, teach people how to bloody drive, not how to pass a test.

It would be good if cops were able to make someone they saw do something stupid do a driving course? (I'd be happy to supply some rego's )

[aardvark]

i reckon zero tolerance is all that will slow people down. 1km over, fine and demerit points. people will soon work out that the government is serious.

I think they should reduce all the speed limits by 10km/h and then give 10km/h tolerance.

The words discretion and tolerance do not exist in the highway patrol vocabulary so it would not work.

They could legislate the tolerance.

[Whickle]

i reckon zero tolerance is all that will slow people down. 1km over, fine and demerit points. people will soon work out that the government is serious.

I think they should reduce all the speed limits by 10km/h and then give 10km/h tolerance.

Farq, you mean to suggest giving cops the power to use judgement....

[Daisy]

I had several near misses today. 1. I was approaching an intersection and some silly old bastard in a Tiida was coming out on my right and turning right. I needed to go into the servo on the corner, which meant I had to turn across his nose and I had right of way. I know he saw me because he stopped, but the moment my right indicator went on he started to pull out in front of me ... while still looking at me! The sad thing is, that was exactly what I expected him to do.
2. I was sitting on about 95km/h in an overtaking area. I judged that if I increased to 100 I could overtake the slower vehicle in front of me before the overtaking lane ended. I indicated, pulled into the right lane and had it all lined up ... till the dildo got to the first "Left lane ends" sign where he just pulled into the right lane without looking or indicating. Again, because it was pretty much the sort of stupidity I've come to expect, I just switched back to the left lane and kept going, knowing that I still had 500 metres.
3. A baseball cap in a Hyundai following a slow moving 4wd. Being on my bike I knew I could safely overtake at least one and possibly both on the next dotted line, but as I made my move the tosser in the Hyundai pulled out in front of me ... just long enough to realise that he didn't have enough road and causing me to abort the overtake. I called him a couple of choice names in my helmet and waited 5 kilometres for the next chance - and stuff me if he didn't do it again. The jerk had no idea how to judge speed and distance.
Apparently they don't teach any more that before overtaking, you should check to see that you aren't being overtaken.

[seiko1]

If I ever win first division....I will no longer give way when I have right of way....
especially when I'm in my MAC or Kenworth

[Daisy]

As long as you don't speed mate - it's all good.

[seiko1]

As long as you don't speed mate - it's all good.

[smithy5]

Article from February Cycletorque...........

THE National Motorists Association Australia Inc.
has condemned Queensland Government plans to
introduce a host of new speed detection devices
including undercover speed camera vehicles without
any signs, red light cameras combined with speed
cameras, point to point speed cameras, and reduced
margins of tolerance for exceeding the speed limit.
The Queensland Government says it’s all part of a road
safety blitz despite statistics not stacking up. According
to the NMAA, official statistics demonstrate that speed
cameras don’t even reduce fatal crashes caused by speed.
52 fatal crashes were caused by speeding in the most
recent comprehensive crash report “Road Traffic Crashes
in Queensland: 2004”[1]. By comparison, in 1997, the year
speed cameras were introduced 51 fatal crashes were
caused by speeding and back in 1990 only 32 fatal crashes
were caused by speeding.
“Clearly speed cameras don’t save lives because they don’t
reduce fatal crashes caused by speeding. It’s time to take
a sober and objective look at the statistics, which actually
do not indicate the extra enforcement is having any road
safety value”, Michael Bates of the NMAA said.
“Speed camera numbers have increased steadily since
they were introduced in early to mid 1997. In recent years
we have seen the introduction of fixed speed cameras. All
this has been wonderful for governmental coffers but for
road safety it is flogging a dead horse. Speed cameras have
not produced an obvious decline in fatal crashes caused
by speeding and they obviously don’t reduce other types
of dangerous driving. Further, prior to the introduction
of speed cameras, speed caused only 12 per cent of fatal
crashes. In the most recent road crash report it caused 18
per cent.
“Clearly speed cameras don’t even target dangerous
speeding. They are either fundamentally flawed in design
for stopping it or any potential benefit is confounded by
using them primarily on roads designed to accommodate
speed.”
Bates went on to say the vast majority of enforcement
targets speeding, and sticking to our current limits, mainly
set in the 1940s, probably invites boredom and inattention.
Speed cameras cannot detect other types of breaches of
traffic rules, and the use of speed cameras is out of kilter
with the proven causes of crashes. n