Gulp

[Nelso]

What else do you all suggest the gumbyment do to stop people from reckless, unsafe driving, speeding and killing themselves or others??

Be more selective in who they allow to have a license for one. IMHO the lack of skill and knowledge about controlling a vehicle that is required to get a license is a major contributing factor to our road toll, but it is still completely ignored. You wouldn't want your surgeon to have an IQ of 70 and poor hand eye coordination and for good reason the government is very selective who they allow to operate on people. Why is it then we let these people behind the wheel of a car regardless of how incompetent they might be? (yes, I know of people who fit this description who have attained their license )

It scares me that people can fail their P's test 10 or more times and then finally scrape through and get their license and are trusted from that point on as a competent driver. For one thing the testing is way too simple and should include some demonstration of an ability to handle a vehicle in emergency situations, but if you are that useless that you cannot pass our very basic requirements in the first couple of goes, then maybe driving is not for you.

Yes it would create issues by making it more selective but people would learn to adjust just like they are expecting us to adjust to new speed limits. Simply put, there are some people in this world who are not skillful enough to be trusted with operating potentially deadly machinery and I would rather see these people unlicensed than swerving into my lane because they misjudged another corner.

[Six Addict]

if they are that retarded at driving, chances are they will drive unlicenced... as long as having a licence is seen as a right, and not a privelidge, you will never change people's attitudes...

oh and some people are just born rebels, some are born sheep, and some actually think about the issues, to my mind we've got lots of each here...

[Cruissy]

I hope the link below works.

4 lives - a woman and three young girls - were lost on SA roads yesterday. The scene was one of total devastation.

The copper in this video is my boss. He's a commissioned officer and has over 20 years experience in the job. For those of you who think coppers are only out to raise revenue for the government, I implore you to watch this video and tell me that this man doesn't give a fuck about the road toll:

http://player.video.news.com.au/adelaidenow/#1383404590

It breaks my heart to see or hear of stories like this..... and I find it disturbing when innocent children that have not asked for anything like that nor did they have a choice or say whether to be there or not, are lost to such tragedy. I also feel for the copper in the clip, who expressed genuine human feelings at such a loss, it would be less than human if he hadn't and I wouldn't expect any less.

And I don't know what type of cop you are Ardy, because I've never met you, so don't take this personally........ but that doesn't take away from the number of cops that I have met in the course of my long riding career that overly enjoy their job as they writing a ticket out whilst wallowing on the other persons misery, and cops that happily and blatantly abuse their powers, cops that egg-on other drivers to speed or race and then book the driver, coppers that tail-gate to induce the driver to speed and then book them, cops that speed all they want and then when they stop you for speeding give you the whole third degree and jump onto the high moral ground and all the many other dirty tactics that I'm sure you know all about and I don't a month of Sundays to write about, otherwise it could turn into a book.

As you can see I have somewhat jaded views about the good intentions of our well meaning constabulary. I say: "Look at yourself first, analise your own habits, and do unto others as you would like done unto you' and occasionally exercise some common sense and leniency where it is due. You're a bike rider, I can't imagine that you never speed, otherwise you'd be riding a push-bike or you're lying to the rest of us.

The clip stirred my emotions, but I still don't believe that cops give as much a fuck as you make out they do. Yes when someone gets hurt they care, but what about the rest of the time???

[seiko1]

Corey..........we are tired of the many being punished for the sins of the few
Revolution

[clay]

1. Take vehicles, fine us and take our license.
2. Limit our vehicles power and speed capability.
3. Ban performance parts, remove and confiscate if fitted and not engineered.
4. Reduce our points for a license to 5 points total. (I know this would make many of us shiver)
5. Yearly certification on your license (Driving test, medical and knowledge)
6. Charge more for licenses, rego and insurance.
7. Increase the fines and points for offences.
8. Reduce speed limits further.

1. They already do.
2. Should be done for L/P drivers.
3. I'd like to know how many major collisions/fatalities have such parts fitted. A stock commy has enough power to do enough damage as it is. But a possibility. Perhaps another classification for drivers wishing to fit such parts.
4. Stupid idea.
5. Not a bad idea, perhaps based on age. 18-25 yearly. 25-45 3 years. 45+ yearly.
6. What would this do to help reduce the number of collisions and fatalities?
7. As above.
8. They already have. 50km zones. School zones. What are you suggesting 30km zones?

[smithy5]

although I totally disagree with Smitty's whinge about OH&S. For fucks sake mate, if one of your apprentices dies because of an unsafe work practice, don't you think it makes sense to change that work practice so no other apprentices die ?? Going by your post, you would rather see people continue to die, than enjoy the most basic work right you have - the right to have a safe job !!!!

Totally agree with you there Gos, but that is not what I said, nor what I meant........ If anyone was injured or killed because of an unsafe work practice the book should be thrown at those responsible.......

To clarify my point (now that I am sober) ... The Gumbyment treat speeding and OH&S with a similar attitude. They use the worst cases to control the masses... A minority of people are an accident looking for a place to happen, on the road and at work.... The rest of us, the majority are treated by Gumbyment as if we are all in this minority and need protecting from ourselves....... If some idiot in a factory bumped his head because he wasn't watching where he was going whilst talking on the phone. The reaction would be that every person from then on would have to wear a hard hat whenever in the factory. Once again the majority would be reduced to the inferior minority........

Corey..........we are tired of the many being punished for the sins of the few
Revolution

Can't come soon enough, I say

[aardvark]

Can't come soon enough, I say

Won't happen. Most of those who want some kind of so-called revolution are too busy whinging on the internet and hoping someone else will do it for them.

And those that think they might have a crack at it have no idea about anything else that the government are required to look after - health, education, etc. All they want is whatever it is they have a bug in their arse about to change.

Can none of you think for yourselves anymore?

Gotta admit that I'm slightly disappointed Daisy. Just because someone's opinion is different to yours, you feel you have the right to accuse them of not thinking for themselves? Maybe they have their opinion because they have thought for themselves.

[DaBigfella]

What else do you all suggest the gumbyment do to stop people from reckless, unsafe driving, speeding and killing themselves or others??

Be more selective in who they allow to have a license for one. IMHO the lack of skill and knowledge about controlling a vehicle that is required to get a license is a major contributing factor to our road toll, but it is still completely ignored. You wouldn't want your surgeon to have an IQ of 70 and poor hand eye coordination and for good reason the government is very selective who they allow to operate on people. Why is it then we let these people behind the wheel of a car regardless of how incompetent they might be? (yes, I know of people who fit this description who have attained their license )

It scares me that people can fail their P's test 10 or more times and then finally scrape through and get their license and are trusted from that point on as a competent driver. For one thing the testing is way too simple and should include some demonstration of an ability to handle a vehicle in emergency situations, but if you are that useless that you cannot pass our very basic requirements in the first couple of goes, then maybe driving is not for you.

Yes it would create issues by making it more selective but people would learn to adjust just like they are expecting us to adjust to new speed limits. Simply put, there are some people in this world who are not skillful enough to be trusted with operating potentially deadly machinery and I would rather see these people unlicensed than swerving into my lane because they misjudged another corner.

Agreed 100%

[Daisy]

Gotta admit that I'm slightly disappointed Daisy. Just because someone's opinion is different to yours, you feel you have the right to accuse them of not thinking for themselves? Maybe they have their opinion because they have thought for themselves.

There's a whole lot of not thinking for yourself going on out there - and I stand by the post that you snipped that from.

[Whickle]

1. Take vehicles, fine us and take our license.
2. Limit our vehicles power and speed capability.
3. Ban performance parts, remove and confiscate if fitted and not engineered.
4. Reduce our points for a license to 5 points total. (I know this would make many of us shiver)
5. Yearly certification on your license (Driving test, medical and knowledge)
6. Charge more for licenses, rego and insurance.
7. Increase the fines and points for offences.
8. Reduce speed limits further.

1. They already do. Larger fines, vehicles taken for longer, more points for more serious offneces.
2. Should be done for L/P drivers. Could be done for all of us. Make it so people cant speed as fast
3. I'd like to know how many major collisions/fatalities have such parts fitted. A stock commy has enough power to do enough damage as it is. But a possibility. Perhaps another classification for drivers wishing to fit such parts. Its not about them being fitted, its the performance boost they give and altho most are not dangerous, have strict rules on what can and cant be fitted.
4. Stupid idea. Why? Would you respect your license more if you could loose it for one serious offence.
5. Not a bad idea, perhaps based on age. 18-25 yearly. 25-45 3 years. 45+ yearly. If you loose your license, that could make you got through the 3 year provisionary period again.
6. What would this do to help reduce the number of collisions and fatalities? Respect for the law. More you have to loose.
7. As above. as above, more you have to loose
8. They already have. 50km zones. School zones. What are you suggesting 30km zones?

no, limit highways to 100 and blackspots to ensure people are going at a safe speed for the area.

The whole idea behind pretty much all of my above points is for people to respect the privilage given to drive a vehicle. If its to easy to get and not easy to loose, then people will just do what they like as the penalty is not so bad and you can get away with bad behaviour a number of times before you loose ya license.

So, if you make the penalty more serious and not allow as many run ins with the law before you loose your license, people may respect it more. So, from start to finish, the more it cost you, the more respect you have for it. You have more to loose.

Something has to change, as peoples respect for the system is not going to change by its self.

[seiko1]

WOW My post was removed
I was right...............told ya

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[Daisy]

Something has to change, as peoples respect for the system is not going to change by its self.

Now you're just being silly.

[Whickle]

Something has to change, as peoples respect for the system is not going to change by its self.

Now you're just being silly.

What i should have said is. Screw the system, im going to do whatever the hell i wanna do and no copper is going to stop me. Besides, i was only doing the wrong thing by a little bit. Its my right to drive how i want and its not my problem if somone else crashed and im partly to blame.

With that attitude, we shall encourage others to act the same.

We aint all bad drivers, but you cant make rules for some and not others. Its always the idiots that cause the problems, its not always the idiots that pay the consequenses.

Sorry, i wont let my stupidity get in the way here any longer.

[Daisy]

Something has to change, as peoples respect for the system is not going to change by its self.

Now you're just being silly.

What i should have said is. Screw the system, im going to do whatever the hell i wanna do and no copper is going to stop me. Besides, i was only doing the wrong thing by a little bit. Its my right to drive how i want and its not my problem if somone else crashed and im partly to blame.

With that attitude, we shall encourage others to act the same.

Again, my issue with the system as it exists, is that they are trying to dumb down good drivers to the level of someone who shouldn't even be allowed on the road. I have never advocated open slather. I'm no fucking Einstein, but I learned the rules AND how to drive - so why can't everyone else? If they are too retarded, don't give them a licence. If they then drive without one, throw them in jail.

We aint all bad drivers, but you cant make rules for some and not others. Its always the idiots that cause the problems, its not always the idiots that pay the consequenses.

In case you haven't noticed, we already do have different rules for some. I regularly ride with L and P platers at 80km/h - because that's their limit in this state. It is a proper pain in the arse, as well as dangerous, but the cotton wool council believes that this is how we should stop them from hurting themselves - by making them moving speed humps. We have different rules for old people too. We test them more often, though they aren't all useless.

Sorry, i wont let my stupidity get in the way here any longer.

I said silly, not stupid.

[seiko1]

80 k's for L & P
Now that is bloody ridulous