FNPs' for Motorcycles

[Musty]

a section of an email i've just got from the undersigned shows the status of FNP's in South Aus

Likewise, it is a dead issue in SA.
TransportSA, the State Ministers Committee and lastly and only just recently, the SA Police, have all declared it a non-issue.
It is not a part of the Draft SA Motorcycle Safety Strategy about to be publicly released.

Regards
Neville Gray
Ulysses Club.

[frozzie]

The MRA now has no sway with the Gov, VMAC are not in the mainstream comunication on this subject and we have no one else. The Ulysses are busy with other issues and the NSWMCC are fighting the NSW RTA on more important subjects.

The MCCof NSW has appointed someone on the issue, and we are still actively lobbying the gvt on the subject. Yes there are other issues, (exhaust labels...) but FNP is bound to come back on the table, and we can only stop this stupidity by a show of strength. The FFMC (Federation of Angry French Motorcyclists, of which I was a very active member) in France has employed this kind of tactic (amongst others), it does make the gvt re think their copy. They hate having long haired greasy bikers on their doorsteps every second day...

But, and there is a but to this. It only works if all bikers get off their couches and demonstrate.

Stop whinging and start acting, is what my Grandpa used to say. He was right, things work much better that way.

Cheers Frozzie

[TopCat]

yeah i know all the blah blah on FNP's, at the last AMC meeting we had conformation the South Aussies were stationary on this issue and to date still are.
Victoria is the only state pushing this issue, and they are pushing it every chance they get......and other states also are trialing Frontal ID which is a completely different story.

Last year we were told implementation by mid 2004, and yeap this year we are once again told by mid 2005!
Now FNP's can only come in if all states of Australia agree and currently they do not so as long as NSW, WA and SA hold out where larfing.

Musty,
The Age (today) carried an article on FNP and in particular the tender. You said previously that all states have to agree. Why? Doesn't NSW have exhaust labelling laws that are different from other states, Vic has the 3km tolerance for speeding.
You also mentioned Frontal ID in previous posts. What is this?
Thanks,
Tony

[Smitty]

hello all...
Don't know the source of these so cant vouch for their authenticity, but these are allegedly (leaked?) samples of the frontal identification number decals being trialled in Victoria.

Cruiser http://tinyurl.com/5upqd
Sports bike http://tinyurl.com/485a8
Decal close-up http://tinyurl.com/7xba7

cheers

[smek]

gawd thats ugly ... what happens if you dont have a fairing?

they could at least be black with white numbers, that would look a lot better on my bike.

is GO!!!! a valid number plate?

[Musty]

Musty,
The Age (today) carried an article on FNP and in particular the tender. You said previously that all states have to agree. Why? Doesn't NSW have exhaust labelling laws that are different from other states, Vic has the 3km tolerance for speeding.
You also mentioned Frontal ID in previous posts. What is this?
Thanks,
Tony

The cost for implementing FNP's just here in Victoria is astonomical aprox 14million for less than 180000 reg bikes. The cost Aust wide is closer to $50million for the just over 400000 reg bikes. That was the costings worked out last year and this is the main reason many of us say there not after Front Number Plates but are after Frontal ID instead.

Now Frontal ID as testing on one system has just finished in England to implement by 2008 will cost Aust wide $4 million alot cheaper yes? This frontal ID or simply ID is in a sense a tag, everywhere you go you will be limited to the speeds that have been placed on that section of road now if you want to turn the system off thats fine you can, but they can still track you. The testing in England has just finished after 5 years of testing and has passed every single test to date and this aint a joke.

the other two points you raised mufler labeling well what are they actually doing wrong? i know we all stand 100% against it but wow there what forcing you to abide by the law.....
Yeah your right ADR are only for first motion of the engine/bike so after that the ADR technically does not apply, hence the new ADR they brought in this year.
I can go on all night about the ADR's but your betting off seeking info from the MCC of NSW website, its more simplified and consise.

The 3kph speed law in Victoria, well once again Victoria is in its right to impose this. Federal Government requests a 10% justice for speedo inacuracy but thats it a request. Each state is able and binding to impose any such speed discresion as it see's fit. The only other state to change the speed laws is the NT! but no one complained about there change strange that.

Oh yeah those FNP's you posted smitty were an aprox 2000 design, they have gotten better since then

[aardvark]

This frontal ID or simply ID is in a sense a tag, everywhere you go you will be limited to the speeds that have been placed on that section of road now if you want to turn the system off thats fine you can, but they can still track you.

I can't see this happening here. Once the civil libertarians get a wind of it, and understand that tracking will soon be able to be placed on their cars.. hell, then the shit fight will start. No government in their right mind would introduce it!

As for limiting vehicles to set limits (eg: 60 in a 60 zone, or 100 in a 100 zone) the chance of that happening is remote, but certainly possible. However, they will need to give some leeway in terms of the limits. Perhaps 20 km/h. So, 120 in a 100 zone. Imagine going to overtake a car that's doing 98. You approach it and pull out. Your cars limited to 100 and all of a sudden you realise there is a car coming the other way that has just pulled out from a side road. You put your foot down to get a wiggle on, but nothing happens...

[MickLC]

As for limiting vehicles to set limits (eg: 60 in a 60 zone, or 100 in a 100 zone) the chance of that happening is remote, but certainly possible. However, they will need to give some leeway in terms of the limits. Perhaps 20 km/h. So, 120 in a 100 zone. Imagine going to overtake a car that's doing 98. You approach it and pull out. Your cars limited to 100 and all of a sudden you realise there is a car coming the other way that has just pulled out from a side road. You put your foot down to get a wiggle on, but nothing happens...

But that's the problem with any speed limiting system isn't it, they then have to either admit that doing 120km/h is safe under certain circumstances like overtaking. Yet how often do you hear the stories of the blokes pulled up just after they overtook someone! And according to some of the governments squeakings no speeding is safe, so they'd be contradicting themselves.

[Musty]

I can't see this happening here. Once the civil libertarians get a wind of it, and understand that tracking will soon be able to be placed on their cars.. hell, then the shit fight will start. No government in their right mind would introduce it!

Australia played an integeral part in the test's, this idea went through Parliment unapossed back in 2001, sorry to say it can happen here and there planning it to happen here.
Wether or not they do it is another story.

[mike-s]

Oh lovely, it's 1984 all over again. And r.e. speed limiters they'd probably just throw you the line of "well you shouldnt be going over the speed limit anyway" if you came up with that "tolerance" concept. The only thing working in the favour of that idea is the overlap from one speed zone to another. Some people aren't as sharp a tack with their driving skills as other are and are certainly not quick off the mark when it comes to adjusting up (& esp down) in speeds.

The other thing that shits me is they'd come at you with a "if your not doing anything wrong, you havent got anything to hide" attitude if you started objecting to the UK tagging system that musty was reffering to.

to quote a sigline i read yonks ago "cynicism is often rampart".

[Musty]

but speeding even by 1kph is still against the law!

[Musty]

but seriously all this technology is heading in one direction, in England we have the technology to track you 24/7 and also to limit your speed to the speed of that section of road, passed all tests.
In America they have just finished testing on a car that is able to drive itself, after 50000km of testing the only issue was the tracking system, once again this car never speeds.
Vehicle Alarms now with fulltime GPS tracking, allowable for speed, and height are available.

Well what can one say stuff that's come into play, Aussie parliment loves all the new stuff and have assisted with all the testing to date. Vehicle ID has gone through government, so has all forms of GPS tracking.
Best thing to do is enjoy every blat you have on the bike coz soon it will be "back in my younger days"

[mike-s]

Definately a case of "too much technology isn't good for you".

Of course by the time anyone realises all this it will be far too late, or they are just too apathetic*.

*I will also accept the word "pathetic" as a substitute.

[Flakey]

Soo... if some bikers got all their tags together and put em in some poor souls car... I'm all for information discreditation...

[Ment]

Jase is going to hate this one but...

lets put em on unmarked speed camera cop cars.

low that'll make em think