Maccarocks wrote:Hi Mike... Macca here again... I have read all the replies you have been sent about your slow turn in.. I have plenty of info for you on this as I work at PI, and am very good friends with our suspension tech who worked all last year with the Kawasaki race team (Shannon J and Wayne M).. they where racing our exact same models and he has plenty of info on this. I was actually talking to Wayne yesterday about ZX10R race set up.. I will chat to you when I see you next about the pegs... (when you get back)..!!
However.. this model (06/07) definitely is much heavier in the steering when driving slow, you can definitely feel the difference. I was on a GSXR 750 yesterday and it felt way different... especially when riding slow..!! You have to be very carefull with some mods.. as they might make things feel good at street speeds, but at super high speed, the '10' will become very unstable...
Macca.
Mate,
Feel free to share the knowledge with us gumby riders
i found that by raising my arse end sag almost all the weigh( I weigh 1keg) the turn in on the front end feels all more stable and precise and I to have my stabilzer turn to 14clicks (shithouse excuse for a stabilizer). I will be working my damper and rebound settings at next EC track day next month if not before then as I really want to see some of the high speed reaction charactisteristics.
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Actually, the front suspension on the stock 06 / 07 models is quite good...??? In fact I was told that the Australian Kawasaki superbike race team started the race year testing with standard suspension !! (Wayne M). (well they did upgrade to Ohlins eventually etc ). The rear is what requires a lot more tweaking, and if you are really serious about racing and getting to the limit (which none of us will ever do on this bike) then changing the rear shock is the next thing you can improve on. First off, jump on the scales and see how much you weigh..?? Be honest, are you between 70 and 75 kilos..?? you are within the correct range.. With full leathers etc you will be around 80kg's...and the shock can be set up pretty well for this weight... Now remember the bike originally was always designed to be set up with a 65 - 75 kilo rider (max weight) so if you are over this by a little or a lot, it will make a heap of differnce (a lot of us are over this weight range.. right..??). So what I am saying is, dont go blaming the 'poor quality' shock if you are 10 plus kilos over the recomended weight..!! If this is your case, then yes you will most probably have to purchase a new shock, or get the rear rebuilt with a heavier coil and re valved (cheaper option). Same with the front, re valving and new fork oil (synthetic). Of course this all depends on how fast you are riding, corner speed etc.. You can set the bike up like 'Hopper', but if you can't ride the same pace, it's a waste of time.. this is why suspension adjustments are very personal and are always changing with the riders speed, later braking etc. It's very complicated but great to get into and understand. I hope I havent raved on too much..
More on 'turn in' and ride height adjustment next.. I have to go out..!! Macca
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Maccarocks
16' - Z1000 (Road)
Too many other bikes to fit in here !!
I've been a little shitted with my gumby recently. I have a brake issue but the 07 r1 MC that's on the way should sort that.
I've been told maybe new springs and shimming valves + new oil in the forks
and cranking up the rear spring a bit + a new linkage in the rear. The rear shock linkage is the same as in a zzr600 im told .
Sure im no where near riding at the limits or it... but if spending some coin makes you feel more comfortable and thus allows you to go a little faster, why not?
Raising the rear firming up the front is supposed to make things feel a lot nicer.
I took a mates 03 r1 around EC at the end of the day and it made my 10 feel like it was on pogo sticks. His r1 was sprung for a lot heavier rider... but the stiff suspension and lack of large movement under brakes or gas was real confidence inspring IMO.
Maccarocks wrote:More on 'turn in' and ride height adjustment next.. I have to go out..!! Macca
So where's the follow-up, mate ?
Rode a GSXR-T back to back with my 07 last weekend, and was stunned by how easily the little 750 turned. Any suggestions will be gratefully received.
Cheers,
Brian
07 ZX10R track 09 ZX6R road/track 93 ZXR750 race 89 GPZ900 project Do not walk behind me, for I may not be leading
Do not walk in front of me, for I may not be following
Do not walk alongside me, for the path may be narrow
Just piss off and leave me alone
My Six (J1) used to feel pretty slow and dropping the front forks 5mm changed alot! Very nice... "just right". I can even feel the improvements on roundabouts.
Unfortunately after the crash the geometry changed and it's even 'quicker' now
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Maccarocks wrote:Actually, the front suspension on the stock 06 / 07 models is quite good...??? In fact the Australian Kawasaki superbike race team raced all year with standard suspension !! (Wayne M). The rear is what requires a lot more tweaking, and if you are really serious about racing and getting to the limit (which none of us will ever do on this bike) then changing the rear shock is the next thing you can improve on. First off, jump on the scales and see how much you weigh..?? Be honest, are you between 70 and 75 kilos..?? you are within the correct range.. With full leathers etc you will be around 80kg's...and the shock can be set up pretty well for this weight... Now remember the bike originally was always designed to be set up with a 65 - 75 kilo rider (max weight) so if you are over this by a little or a lot, it will make a heap of differnce (a lot of us are over this weight range.. right..??). So what I am saying is, dont go blaming the 'poor quality' shock if you are 10 plus kilos over the recomended weight..!! If this is your case, then yes you will most probably have to purchase a new shock, or get the rear rebuilt with a heavier coil and re valved (cheaper option). Same with the front, re valving and new fork oil (synthetic). Of course this all depends on how fast you are riding, corner speed etc.. You can set the bike up like 'Hopper', but if you can't ride the same pace, it's a waste of time.. this is why suspension adjustments are very personal and are always changing with the riders speed, later braking etc. It's very complicated but great to get into and understand. I hope I havent raved on too much..
More on 'turn in' and ride height adjustment next.. I have to go out..!! Macca
Woohoo!!! Someone with a good understanding of some of the important aspects of setting a bike up!! Nice work! Maccarocks is spot on in this and with his previous comments regarding going "Too far" with things.
If my bike was being raced, then I would have it set up with loads of front end bias with very steep numbers and fairly heavy damping to control the stiffer springs. For the road, I always set them up to turn OK, but hold a wicked line at full lean and not flap themselves to death. So lighter springs, lazier geometry and less damping control.
Mike, WTF are ya gunna come over and set that blue gumby up??? You have been promising yourself for ages you would do it!! I have a protractor to sort the head angle and all mate! We can turn into a SJ/WM rep, or a lazy arse roadie...your choice!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" Hunter S. Thompson.
There are really only two questions in life. 1.Which way do i go? 2.What is the lap record?
I'm not sure TKA raced it with std front suspension though..
I think you will find they had ohlins inserts inside the std forks, like all the other teams..
Brian,
Have a chat to Zenodamper, he has done some work on these and may have some tips...
Dave
2010 Z1000
ex bikes
05 ZX-10R Race Bike - No.77
95 ZXR750R M Race Bike - No. 75
98 ZX9R Race Bike - No. 000
zx6r, zx7r, GPX750, GPX500, lots of KX's.
I ride way too fast to worry about cholesterol
javaman wrote:My Six (J1) used to feel pretty slow and dropping the front forks 5mm changed alot! Very nice... "just right". I can even feel the improvements on roundabouts.
Unfortunately after the crash the geometry changed and it's even 'quicker' now
What I was thinking too but I dont know squat about 10's. Small incriments on the rear ride height ?
Do you get a cheek off the seat ?
Jedi of the darKside
Just because you can ride, doesnt mean you should. My reason on this earth is an example to others what NOT to do.
Wound out the steering damper a tad and that helped. Matry, happy to drop round for some spring tweeking - just need to find a free day in the schedule...
MadKaw wrote:I'm not sure TKA raced it with std front suspension though..
I think you will find they had ohlins inserts inside the std forks, like all the other teams..
Brian,
Have a chat to Zenodamper, he has done some work on these and may have some tips...
Thanks Dave, AFAIK you're spot on with the front forks. I'm in the midst of getting some more kit stuff from TKA, so I'll have a chat to them and set if I can get some ride height set-up specs.
Cheers,
Brian
07 ZX10R track 09 ZX6R road/track 93 ZXR750 race 89 GPZ900 project Do not walk behind me, for I may not be leading
Do not walk in front of me, for I may not be following
Do not walk alongside me, for the path may be narrow
Just piss off and leave me alone
I haven't changed my gearing yet, waiting for the chain to need replacing. Aiming at going down 1/2 tooth at the front (1 down at front, 1 down at rear). Plan is to nudge the rear wheel in a bit to shorten the wheel base a few mm, raise the rear end by a couple of mm and drop the front if necessary. I'm going to start with the rear end soon, maybe even today if I can find a suitable spacer.
**EDIT** TRE certainly made a difference in low down punch, but haven't really done any performance mods at the damn thing is fast enough.
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andi - 
