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wisc wrote:
Stretchy wrote:
wisc wrote:went for a test ride on the ten over the weekend and i'm pretty sure i can safly say that there is nothing to fear on this bike.

even when i snapped it open in first it was pretty tame. if i hadn't known any better i would have said it was a six.... all the way up to about 8k, then it started taking off, the front wheel slowly lifting, if i had done the same thing on my nine, i would have been flat on my back.(hence the six comment) the almost 10 year older nine, seems to pack alot more of a punch in the middle i can't really use all the throttle in first, that wasn't a real problem on the ten.

dont get me wrong the 10 has to be respected... above 8-10k RPM. I think so many others have said that comment too, its a choice to ride in those rev ranges not a requirement.

as always its always about wrist control. if your a sensible rider its fine.

edit: just going though some of the older posts in this thread, one of my points that probably doesnt come out as much is that i think it would be just as dangerous jumping on a six hundred if there were no experience involved. i dont think the difference in the six and the 10 is going to make a huge amount of difference (if you can control yourself)as they are both powerful bikes both capible of high speeds, as long as she doesn't try to keep up with ross she should be fine.
If you rode a ten and you couldnt get the wheel up till over 8 grand your throtle hand needs a workout. Learn how to open the throtle HARD and FAST and then you will see how a ten really is. And having ridden a ten and a nine, if you think a nine even compares your on drugs.
well I have had a GF for the last few years so maybe my right hand isn't getting as much of a workout as…. others... but I think we can all agree snapping a throttle open as quickly as you can doesn't take much skill.

this bike is designed to be rev'ed don't be a zx10 fanboy and think the sun shines out of its exhaust, yes this is a good bike that’s not under debate, but from my recent experience riding it stock out of the factory the mid range is not as powerful as my bike. YES, once it gets moving its not going to be a competition, yes its going to mauver better than my bike, but that’s not what i was arguing...
what i am arguing is if she is sensible (there is no reason to take a corner at 12kRPM on the streets) what is the problem? Are you all missing the all the way up to about 8k bit of my post above? im agreeing above those rev ranges its got some go, but thats upper rev range not mid range.
lets go over some of the basics...

< 3.5k - low end
3.4-8k - mid range
>8 - ouch this is really fast and powerful range. like a different bike range.

if she is serious about having a go on the track is there any reason she couldn't borrow a six to get her experience up?

as Far as neka is concerned, he probably could ride rings around me too (i have little doubt of that) but can he control the speed of the bike or is his right wrist to itchy?(i don't know... that’s a real question) or is he going to outride his/the bikes abilities (regardless of how good his abilities are, hey Valentino and Stoner still come off don't they... so that’s not a negative comment.)
as i've said regardless of the bike its all about wrist control. i think that’s also what kristy meant phrased a little less diplomatic. (and to get a reaction LOL)

photomike666 and Strika nice posts BTW always sticking to the point. photo from what i got from your post yes the bike is de tuned, supporting what i said in the first post.

a laso agree with Stereos comments, although it could possibly use slightly more mid range..

Now, I am unsure what ZX9R you own, but it's irellevent unless you're nine is a twelve or it has a little NOS or a turbo hidden in there, as no ZX9 I have ever ridden, standard or piped and even a worked one can hold a candle to the bottom mid or ezpecially top end of the 04/05 ZX10R!!
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Strika wrote:
Now, I am unsure what ZX9R you own, but it's irellevent unless you're nine is a twelve or it has a little NOS or a turbo hidden in there, as no ZX9 I have ever ridden, standard or piped and even a worked one can hold a candle to the bottom mid or ezpecially top end of the 04/05 ZX10R!!
jump on the 07 zx10r tell me what you think. i seriouslly dont think it has much power down low, that's all im saying. i dont care about everyones 05 that they have changed the sproket/pipe/etc on.


Gosling1 all i got was that your ass has heaps of experice with high power moters buggering you? (at least i think thats what you ment)
All the manufacturors have tamed the bikes down because they have such good power by retarding the timing in the lower gears and fitting tall gearing. To the inexperienced this feels like it has no power but it is there.


Which again is my point!

would people stop quoting top end power figures, thats not what anyone is arguing! LOL...
quote me the power figures at 3-5krpm
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wisc wrote:quote me the power figures at 3-5krpm
but why?? the bike aint intended to be ridden at 3-5000rpm....

if ur gunna buy a 160+ hp, 9000rpm+ motorbicycle and then cruise it around at 1/4-1/3 its throttle...

why buy the fucking thing?? am i missing the point?


the 250 would be putting out the same power at 8000rpm as a 10 at 3,000rpm...

im miffed...
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wisc wrote: i not sure what you mean by "be your master" but it doesnt take much sense to NOT flick the throttle all the way and change gears before reaching the bikes power band. hell the zx6r will be your master if your a noob and ride outside your experiance level.
It's your master because it controls how you ride it. That's what a master does.
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I'm just going to take issue with one more thing.. the idea of people getting bored of 6's and 'needing' a litre bike to continue to enjoy motorcycling.
What they *&#* are they doing to get bored of them? I seem to remember myself and plas (both on 6's) having an absolute friggen hoot chasing gosling (on his 12) through halls gap.
Certainly no chance of me getting bored of mine, ever. Doesn't mean I'll never upgrade but if you are getting bored of a six then you may just be lacking in riding skill and looking for a quick fix. Point and squirt is not the answer.
Personally I could jump on any bike and on the right roads never be bored.
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In all honesty Smek, there's probably a handful of riders that could actually use the 10 to it's full potential (me not included, I don't confuse A & A :lol: )

Hell, I would be surprised if Kristy could ever ride the wheels off a 6. I don't understand why she wants a litre bike apart from looks. If it IS for looks, then I have no idea why she's looking at a gumby. They are hideous compared to a 04/05 :lol:
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wisc wrote:...jump on the 07 zx10r tell me what you think. i seriouslly dont think it has much power down low, that's all im saying...

Maybe slightly less than an 05 (although it's more smooth delivery rather than less), still more than a 9. Read it a few times so you understand it :roll:
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Do you have your old Dyno sheet around Mick? Surely someone has one of a 9 (They're as common as commodores around here :lol: )

I wanna end this conjecture once and for all!
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Benno I've got one of a 9 and my Crim done on the same day, but not one of the Gumby. They are just against time too, not against RPM so I don't know if they'd settle the argument
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Neka79 wrote:
wisc wrote:quote me the power figures at 3-5krpm
but why?? the bike aint intended to be ridden at 3-5000rpm....

if ur gunna buy a 160+ hp, 9000rpm+ motorbicycle and then cruise it around at 1/4-1/3 its throttle...

why buy the fucking thing?? am i missing the point?


the 250 would be putting out the same power at 8000rpm as a 10 at 3,000rpm...

im miffed...
simple, it gives you a chance to get used to the bike in your own time.
some riders dont mind being point and shoot riders, think of drag racing, 10sec quarters etc, they are only interested in how fast they can go, not how fast they can go around a corner.

the ten is a nice light bike and a good size.

Ill find my dyno sheet, though im sure dynoverks dyno is reading low compared to others.


Edit:
nice little tool:

I semi rest my case, this is for the 06 not the 07 and my nine has the pipes, jets K&N etc there is like 2HPs difference (the dynos there look like they are reading high though, id like to ride a nine with 145hp.
http://www.deeknow.com/dyno/index.php?b ... on=Dyno+It" target="_blank

as you can also see, the 04 has bit more low down than the 06 model.
http://www.deeknow.com/dyno/index.php?b ... on=Dyno+It" target="_blank

still looking for my chart.

edit again: found it

although i think the dynoverks dyno reads a bit low, i'll be the first to say, yeah the 06 "accoirding to theses comparisons" has a little more power in the rev ranges. but i still think the web dyno reads way too high and this one way low... (i remember a few people saying there bikes had scored higher on other dynos)
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~wisc7/bike/zx9dyno.jpg" target="_blank

I'd like to see them both on the same dyno, same day. i still think the 07 has less.
anyone else got a stock 07 dyno chart to compare?
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Wait...what? You've just found dyno graphs that confirm what we've been saying, that also highlight the big jump in power that makes you think the lower end is weak, and then you still try and say that it must just be differences in dyno's?

Never mind that you are saying that your bike has work done, and surprise surprise your gains are in the mid and high range ...believe me, it doesn't take much work to get rid of the dip low down on the '07 10, so that argument is spurious and you've just proven that yourself.

Read this bit slowly, carefully and more than once so you fully understand it....You are wrong!

The sooner you accept it, the sooner we can move on and talk about something more interesting.
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what are you talking about this is interesting!

yeah ok its easy to remove the dip in power, but that’s not the point. (well my point at least) is stock is it "weak"* down low. and all I’m hearing is how its easy to remove the dip, how you can change the sprockets to make it quicker, how you can improve the timing and ratios to make it more of a sports bike, so surly to some extent deep down you are aware of it.

yeah judging from those graphs the 06 ten has slightly more power but how about gearing? if the first gear ratio is so much bigger wouldn’t that make a difference to the feel of the bike in first up to 8k RPM? (specially as there is only a couple of HP difference in the rev range we're talking about)

so if acceleration = change in speed over time, with the same HP in those rev ranges or more, if the gearing is taller wouldn’t that mean the acceleration is not as high?(regardless of horse power, hence the ass dyno results also)
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I remember the first time I rode my 1995 ZX6R race bike after I bought it. I had been tooling around on the road on a YZF600 which I bought new. The difference going from a bike which prolly put out 86-90hp at the rear wheel, to something which pushed a genuine 105hp to the rear wheel was scary!! Back then, a proper factory superbike was 165kg's and about 155-160hp. I also remember riding one of those and fair shitting my pants!!!! :lol: (Back then I was doing 1'48"s on a standard road going 600 around the Island, so although not quick, was ...err competent somewhat)
Nowaday a standard litre bike is about 170kgs and 150-160hp at the rear wheel!!!!! And someone's encouraging there firend to have one as a road bike :lol: :lol: :lol: I am pretty sure, that even back when I started racing I would have considered a 170kg 150hp roadie a tad over my skill level.

It's kinda like this..................I am 18 and just got my drivers licence, so all my mates reccomend the best car for me is a Ferarri F40!!! :lol: :lol: Nah Im never gunna open the throttle...I'll never crash it!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mind you guys, arn't we all gunna have egg on our faces if Kristy turns up to a KSRC ride in the future and proceeds to hose the lot of us????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Fuck I'd laugh at that one!!!! :lol: :lol:
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wisc wrote:what are you talking about this is interesting!...

No it's not, it's exactly like this....
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http://www.deeknow.com/dyno/index.php?b ... on=Dyno+It" target="_blank


Mick, I think your arse dyno is a fair bit more accurate than others! :lol:
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