I wanna 10!

[Strika]

OK, I'm bored so I'm gonna wade in deep here.

1. Neka will ride circles round you on 1 wheel and a finger up his bum.

2. The ZX10R is a bike designed to compete in WORLD SUPERBIKES. It is not aimed at spitting rideres off, nor to out gun a ZX12 on a drag strip. It handles like a 600, because it has a similar chassis. Just 40% more power up top!

3. Kawasaki, realising fuckwit newbies with no experience, and far more money than sense will buy one. SO they turned the wick down in a number of ways...
a). It runs a 17 tooth front sprocket where the gearing & power would suit a 16 tooth. Hence it doesn't lift so easy in first.
b), The mapping is weak in 1st, 2nd & 3rd. This dampens the spirit of the bike in those gears, and helps keep the bike with in the legal noise requirements.
3). The throttle throw is quite long, making it hard to get to wide open throttle quickly.

The exhaust actually boosts the mid range slightly, and a full race system will compromise the mid range for more peak power. This is not advisible if you are only going to ride on the road as you will use the mid range more.

The problem more newbies will get into on this bike is exiting a corner. As you get confident and harder on the power on exit, it is easy to push the rear into a slide. Just compare the number of high sides in a 1000cc race and a 600cc race and you will see where the extra power kicks in. EDIT* This may null and void to a newbie who thinks "OK I won't rev it through corners". But unfortunately when you corner on zero throttle the bike tends to run wide, you need to apex with revs to make the bike turn right, and now it's nearer to getting the back loose.

But by all means go ahead and buy one, ride around at 4000rpm getting over taken by people on Vespas - you'll still be cool for a while. Oh, and don't mind if we start a sweep stake on how long it is until you stack it, and in what manner

I agree with pretty much what you said bar the bit about A full race system not boosting midrange. In my experience, the modern litre bikes are mostly equipped with a mid exhaust servo operated valve. It is there for a couple of reasons, but primarily, it is tuned to allow better noise test results. From the graph I have sighted all the brands have benefitted from the removal of this valve with gains in midrange and top end! Even, on the 05 R1 an increase in the bottom end also!!!

Now, as for Kristy and which bike, I am pretty sure this thread has been acedemic, with kristy's decision made already. I can't be harsh to a girl called Kristy ( I had one who I fell in love with and broke my heart god love her) so I wish you all the best with your new scooter. I hope you enjoy it to bits.

[Ratmick]

I hope you enjoy it to bits.

Maybe she'll enjoy it IN bits .

/joke off

Mick

[mitch179]

haha i dont think there is anything i can say, i wouldnt do it, moving from a 250 to a 600 will feel like a rocket anyways.. you will have more fun on a 600 as you will adapt quicker, your riding will improve quicker and i honestly believe in the end you will be a much better rider.

[Stretchy]

went for a test ride on the ten over the weekend and i'm pretty sure i can safly say that there is nothing to fear on this bike.

even when i snapped it open in first it was pretty tame. if i hadn't known any better i would have said it was a six.... all the way up to about 8k, then it started taking off, the front wheel slowly lifting, if i had done the same thing on my nine, i would have been flat on my back.(hence the six comment) the almost 10 year older nine, seems to pack alot more of a punch in the middle i can't really use all the throttle in first, that wasn't a real problem on the ten.

dont get me wrong the 10 has to be respected... above 8-10k RPM. I think so many others have said that comment too, its a choice to ride in those rev ranges not a requirement.

having seen kristy sit on the bike id say its a good size for her and if she can control her wrist i don't see why it wouldnt be a good buy for her, once she gets used to the power she can take the revs above 8-9k

as always its always about wrist control. if your a sensible rider its fine.

apparantly if you change the pipe it really opens it up the mid range as they are massivly restricted, again this is another upgrade option in a few years time. meaning that she can pretty much keep the bike forever without having to worry about upgrading later down the track. (as some do on the 6s)

i was thinking about the 10 as a newer upgrade but after taking it for a spin the 12s starting to look a bit better, lets face it on the roads most of the power you want (and can use) is going to be 0-100 the 10s power band seems to be above that.

realistly you can get yourself in trouble on any bike, its all about speed, regardless if its a 10 or a 6. This bike will just get you there a second or so quicker.

edit: just going though some of the older posts in this thread, one of my points that probably doesnt come out as much is that i think it would be just as dangerous jumping on a six hundred if there were no experience involved. i dont think the difference in the six and the 10 is going to make a huge amount of difference (if you can control yourself)as they are both powerful bikes both capible of high speeds, as long as she doesn't try to keep up with ross she should be fine.

If you rode a ten and you couldnt get the wheel up till over 8 grand your throtle hand needs a workout. Learn how to open the throtle HARD and FAST and then you will see how a ten really is. And having ridden a ten and a nine, if you think a nine even compares your on drugs.

[Benno]

This thread lives! Thank god, it does make me laugh!

[Stereo]

went for a test ride on the ten over the weekend and i'm pretty sure i can safly say that there is nothing to fear on this bike.

thats sum funny shit....

I jumped from my 6 onto the 10 and found it to be tamer than the 6......... dont get me wrong, it has more power... but on my 03 ZX6R the front would come up much easier in first...... but wouldnt at all in any other gear....
with the 6, if you just get on and full open the throttle the bike front comes up at about 60kmph ..... with the 10 its slower and comes up at about 90....
To be completely serious, on first impression the 10 is actually more user friendly than the 6.......

[ross79]

went for a test ride on the ten over the weekend and i'm pretty sure i can safly say that there is nothing to fear on this bike.

even when i snapped it open in first it was pretty tame. if i hadn't known any better i would have said it was a six.... all the way up to about 8k, then it started taking off, the front wheel slowly lifting, if i had done the same thing on my nine, i would have been flat on my back.(hence the six comment) the almost 10 year older nine, seems to pack alot more of a punch in the middle i can't really use all the throttle in first, that wasn't a real problem on the ten.

dont get me wrong the 10 has to be respected... above 8-10k RPM. I think so many others have said that comment too, its a choice to ride in those rev ranges not a requirement.

having seen kristy sit on the bike id say its a good size for her and if she can control her wrist i don't see why it wouldnt be a good buy for her, once she gets used to the power she can take the revs above 8-9k

as always its always about wrist control. if your a sensible rider its fine.

apparantly if you change the pipe it really opens it up the mid range as they are massivly restricted, again this is another upgrade option in a few years time. meaning that she can pretty much keep the bike forever without having to worry about upgrading later down the track. (as some do on the 6s)

i was thinking about the 10 as a newer upgrade but after taking it for a spin the 12s starting to look a bit better, lets face it on the roads most of the power you want (and can use) is going to be 0-100 the 10s power band seems to be above that.

realistly you can get yourself in trouble on any bike, its all about speed, regardless if its a 10 or a 6. This bike will just get you there a second or so quicker.

edit: just going though some of the older posts in this thread, one of my points that probably doesnt come out as much is that i think it would be just as dangerous jumping on a six hundred if there were no experience involved. i dont think the difference in the six and the 10 is going to make a huge amount of difference (if you can control yourself)as they are both powerful bikes both capible of high speeds, as long as she doesn't try to keep up with ross she should be fine.

If you rode a ten and you couldnt get the wheel up till over 8 grand your throtle hand needs a workout. Learn how to open the throtle HARD and FAST and then you will see how a ten really is. And having ridden a ten and a nine, if you think a nine even compares your on drugs.

I didn't believe how gutless the 10 is down low. Even Wisc refused to believe me till he took one for a spin. I tried snapping the throttle open just before 8grand and there was no hope in hell of getting the front to come up.
Maybe you're a scrawny guy which would make it easier for you to get it to wheelie?

[Benno]

I've test ridden a few bikes. I can certainly tell you though, that there must be something wrong with the bike you're test riding. I'm 95kg's, and I have no problamo getting the front up at will.

I test rode a 6 when I was looking for a bike, and it rode very similar to a 10, except it's missing the downstairs grunt that the 10 has. I think you all need your right wrists checked out!

[Nucci]

Keep it in 1st gear @ about 6K and snap open the throttle and see what happens

When I first test rode the 10R, in second gear @ ~ 8krpm a sharp twist of the throttle and the front came up easy as you like, I went down parkes way and did 3 quick mono's in a row that way and I cant mono for shite and way about 80 kegs.

It has got a longish throttle action so you really need to wind it on but it is there for the asking. As mentioned the stock gearing is really long so you need to already be doing some anti-suburban speeds to get in to the sweet spot, even in first gear!

[Stereo]

I didn't believe how gutless the 10 is down low. Even Wisc refused to believe me till he took one for a spin. I tried snapping the throttle open just before 8grand and there was no hope in hell of getting the front to come up.
Maybe you're a scrawny guy which would make it easier for you to get it to wheelie?

Not gutless, user friendly.... when you think about it.... why would you want that much power that low in first gear? perhaps to spin up the rear wheel or to bring the nose up... neither are productive for speed or rideability...

[Benno]

A 16 tooth on the front is a recommended mod.

[wisc]

went for a test ride on the ten over the weekend and i'm pretty sure i can safly say that there is nothing to fear on this bike.

even when i snapped it open in first it was pretty tame. if i hadn't known any better i would have said it was a six.... all the way up to about 8k, then it started taking off, the front wheel slowly lifting, if i had done the same thing on my nine, i would have been flat on my back.(hence the six comment) the almost 10 year older nine, seems to pack alot more of a punch in the middle i can't really use all the throttle in first, that wasn't a real problem on the ten.

dont get me wrong the 10 has to be respected... above 8-10k RPM. I think so many others have said that comment too, its a choice to ride in those rev ranges not a requirement.

as always its always about wrist control. if your a sensible rider its fine.

edit: just going though some of the older posts in this thread, one of my points that probably doesnt come out as much is that i think it would be just as dangerous jumping on a six hundred if there were no experience involved. i dont think the difference in the six and the 10 is going to make a huge amount of difference (if you can control yourself)as they are both powerful bikes both capible of high speeds, as long as she doesn't try to keep up with ross she should be fine.

If you rode a ten and you couldnt get the wheel up till over 8 grand your throtle hand needs a workout. Learn how to open the throtle HARD and FAST and then you will see how a ten really is. And having ridden a ten and a nine, if you think a nine even compares your on drugs.

well I have had a GF for the last few years so maybe my right hand isn't getting as much of a workout as…. others... but I think we can all agree snapping a throttle open as quickly as you can doesn't take much skill.

this bike is designed to be rev'ed don't be a zx10 fanboy and think the sun shines out of its exhaust, yes this is a good bike that’s not under debate, but from my recent experience riding it stock out of the factory the mid range is not as powerful as my bike. YES, once it gets moving its not going to be a competition, yes its going to mauver better than my bike, but that’s not what i was arguing...
what i am arguing is if she is sensible (there is no reason to take a corner at 12kRPM on the streets) what is the problem? Are you all missing the all the way up to about 8k bit of my post above? im agreeing above those rev ranges its got some go, but thats upper rev range not mid range.
lets go over some of the basics...

< 3.5k - low end
3.4-8k - mid range
>8 - ouch this is really fast and powerful range. like a different bike range.

if she is serious about having a go on the track is there any reason she couldn't borrow a six to get her experience up?

as Far as neka is concerned, he probably could ride rings around me too (i have little doubt of that) but can he control the speed of the bike or is his right wrist to itchy?(i don't know... that’s a real question) or is he going to outride his/the bikes abilities (regardless of how good his abilities are, hey Valentino and Stoner still come off don't they... so that’s not a negative comment.)
as i've said regardless of the bike its all about wrist control. i think that’s also what kristy meant phrased a little less diplomatic. (and to get a reaction LOL)

photomike666 and Strika nice posts BTW always sticking to the point. photo from what i got from your post yes the bike is de tuned, supporting what i said in the first post.

a laso agree with Stereos comments, although it could possibly use slightly more mid range..

[MickLC]

Two things need to be clarified with all these posts about the 10's power or supposed lack thereof.

Firstly, state which model are you talking about, the 04/05 or 06/07.
The later models power delivery down low is much smoother than the earlier models, a deliberate attempt by the big K to tame the 10's love of lifting the front. Some may perceive this as being gutless...your senses are being deceived and arse dyno's are wildy innaccurate.

Secondly, state whether the gearing is stock or if it's been dropped -1 at the front.
Stock gearing is deliberately high on both models to stop numpties putting themselves in the weeds when they get on one straight from their 250 learner bike cos they've convinced themselves it's a good idea. Dropping 1 tooth on the front transforms them into the bike you are expecting from all the hype and they are still capable of a genuine 270+ with a bag on the back.

[wisc]

Two things need to be clarified with all these posts about the 10's power or supposed lack thereof.

Firstly, state which model are you talking about, the 04/05 or 06/07.
The later models power delivery down low is much smoother than the earlier models, a deliberate attempt by the big K to tame the 10's love of lifting the front. Some may perceive this as being gutless...your senses are being deceived and arse dyno's are wildy innaccurate.

Secondly, state whether the gearing is stock or if it's been dropped -1 at the front.
Stock gearing is deliberately high on both models to stop numpties putting themselves in the weeds when they get on one straight from their 250 learner bike cos they've convinced themselves it's a good idea. Dropping 1 tooth on the front transforms them into the bike you are expecting from all the hype and they are still capable of a genuine 270+ with a bag on the back.

sounds good, we rode a rock 07 10, no mods, hence decent midrange... but a little disapointing for what was expected. and if kwaka designed it to be a little slower for noobs they did a good job ..hence my comments... control it and its fine.

[Phil]

Two things need to be clarified with all these posts about the 10's power or supposed lack thereof.

Firstly, state which model are you talking about, the 04/05 or 06/07.
The later models power delivery down low is much smoother than the earlier models, a deliberate attempt by the big K to tame the 10's love of lifting the front. Some may perceive this as being gutless...your senses are being deceived and arse dyno's are wildy innaccurate.

Secondly, state whether the gearing is stock or if it's been dropped -1 at the front.
Stock gearing is deliberately high on both models to stop numpties putting themselves in the weeds when they get on one straight from their 250 learner bike cos they've convinced themselves it's a good idea. Dropping 1 tooth on the front transforms them into the bike you are expecting from all the hype and they are still capable of a genuine 270+ with a bag on the back.

doubt i would attemp to go that fast with someone on the back

BTW i cant beleive this thread is still going.........FFS just buy the thing and tell us what hospital you have reserved a bed in