Rider Training.

BikerBoy · Post by **BikerBoy** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:38 pm

Hey

Has anyone complete any of the coarses at the Superbike school at eastern creek? can anyone recommend it?

trying to decide whether to do level 1 of the superbike school or do the cornering and braking coarse at Stay upright oran park.

cheers

Burky · Post by **Burky** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:37 pm

Umm interesting Red_Dave and i discussed this on Sunday. Wouldn't mind finding out about the Oran Park Upright course. I know super bike school is aroung the $430 mark for a weekend. but what price can you pay for education!

ty · Post by ty » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:40 pm

yeah I've done both Level 1 and StayUpright's Advanced courses - haven't done their cornering and braking. AFAIK though the C&B course is intended for those who have done the Advanced - not sure though.

Which one to do depends on what you want to achieve.
Do you want to focus on general riding skills? maneuvering, stopping, road lines and some cornering? Do Stay Upright.
Or do you just want to smooth out your cornering? Do Superbike.

There are a couple of reviews of the courses on the forum.
Do a search and have a look.

JetPilot · Post by **JetPilot** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:59 pm

TY is spot on.. what do you want to achieve??
Check out Curcuit breakers $280 for the day ( race cornering school )
Havn't done this but its cheaper than Superbike School.

Burky · Post by **Burky** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:08 pm

Going to check these out, i think i could do with one, that way i can get closer to Phil....not that close but at least a couple of corners!!

Speedyj · Post by **Speedyj** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:55 am

Ive done SBS and CB, recommend SBS initally and when you get FAST get private instruction. Most of the SBS guys lap in the mid to high 1:55, if you faster your wasting your money

Post by **icebreaker** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:54 am

Did the Superbike School at PI... Helped me heaps.

SteveBrouggy · Post by **SteveBrouggy** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:50 pm

Hey...now that I'm here...I thought I'd check out a couple of posts and found this one. Very interesting, very interesting...

You know, there's always more than one way to skin a cat and there will always be differing opinions on where and how to get your improvement in your riding. I have no problem with people expressing their viewpoint here or in any other manner, however, if I hear something that's not exactly true, then I guess you guys will be OK with me responding to it? Thought so...

It's an interesting concept that someone who can't perform a task as good as you cannot coach or train you in an activity. Of course this isn't true. Should it be true, then nobody could train you once you rose to the top of your chosen field. Most of us realise that the higher up the tree most people get, the more assistance they get to continue performing at the top level. I mean...if it were true that you needed someone better than you...who is going to train Tiger Woods? Also, if you wanted a golf lesson, would you go to? Tiger woods? Or Tiger Woods's coach?

If you wanted to know and understand the psychology of winning and being an elite sportsman, then I think you'd wanna' speak to Tiger. However, if you wanted to deal with the technical aspects of what he does, I think his coach would be the better person to speak to. Yes?

Here's one thing I know...the best coaches are rarely the best performers in their field, and the best in their field are rarely the best coaches.

Myself and my crew are not professional racers. We are however professional coaches. I have personally stood in World Championship pit garages and listened to people within our organisation talk to World Champion motorcycle riders about the technical aspects of their riding, then watched them go out on track and improve. Through the schools globally the list is horrendously long as to who has come through the organisation and gone on to acheive greatness (here's a link if you want to check some of them out http://www.superbikeschool.com/champions/) and when they came through the schools I can assure that none of us could keep with them when they were riding. However, they still paid us money to help them ride better.

I think perhaps it's an ego thing when people start measuring themselves as to who they'll listen to. What we do is not about what we do, it's about the technical aspects of riding. We'll never say "turn here because that's what I do, and it's fast!". What we will do is present to you the issues and concerns when cornering a motorcycle and what your options are when dealing with those things. We'll then formulate a plan as to how you would apply the technical aspects in your riding and then help you achieve it, whether we are faster than you or not.

Either way, I hope you get what you need to improve your riding and you keep on doing it!

Cheers,
Steve

aardvark · Post by **aardvark** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:36 pm

Steve,

That was certainly an interesting post and I have to say, I agree with you 100%!

The best coaches in any field are good coaches because of a number of reasons:
1) They can identify problems
2) They understand how to fix the problem
3) They are able to communicate

And although they can do all this, they may not be able to put it into practice and become top performers in the same field for various reasons. Maybe they lack co-ordination, maybe they aren't able to analyse their own lack of performance or maybe they just don't have a big enough set of balls.

Who knows?

The best measure of future performance is past performance. I guess what I'm trying to say is, look at the history and experience of the people you choose to coach you before handing out your hard earned!

Speedyj · Post by **Speedyj** » Wed May 30, 2007 7:36 pm

did the superbike school years ago and champions as well, recommend both

Strika · Post by **Strika** » Wed May 30, 2007 7:58 pm

Speedyj wrote:Ive done SBS and CB, recommend SBS initally and when you get FAST get private instruction. Most of the SBS guys lap in the mid to high 1:55, if you faster your wasting your money

Well I know a few of the instructors pretty well, and have ridden loads of laps with them too. Some yes are slower than me and probably a few others too. But I will tell ya, that there are also some insanely fast instructors in the crew who spit a 1.55 out and chew it up! The guys I know do low 1.40's..........at the Island!!!!!!

I know, as I had a couple of them make me look silly while I was killing myself trying to drop below a 1.46 on my 636! They are no slouches! I also train people for a living and can assure you that some of my candidates run rings around me in terms of ability, yet the business owners still pay me plenty to train them!

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Wed May 30, 2007 8:05 pm

valid point steve....

so u got a job for a crap rider who crashes every 2nd ride but knows everything??

least then sum of us might have career options....hahahaha

photomike666 · Post by **photomike666** » Thu May 31, 2007 10:48 am

I think TY's comments are still valid - it depends on what the rider wants out of the training. One set, SBS, will track you race technique, whist the other, SU, will teach more road craft. A very different set of paramaters from two skilled sets of coaches.