Need advice on buying a 600 on P restrictions!

[Tweeddale]

Howdy Everyone,
Well I sadly sold Eloise, my ZZR250, about a month ago becasue it had a hole in it which was leaking a lot of money! if you get my point. But I sold it and made a small profit so im quite happy. But I now have an empty hole in my life (or garage) that after a month of not riding needs to be filled. Ive been riding since i was a kid and have had my L's since i was eighteen and made the stupid decision to get my P's only a month ago (oh im nearly 20, so two years on road). So now I have the money and believe I am ready for the world of 0.6 Litres. Ive been told that if caught I will lose no demerit points and a $110 fine and might go to court (at the worst) and also wont be insured my any means. And im not sure if they would bust me without P plates which is 3 points and a $360 fine so i might have them up eithor though im worried that it will draw attention!

Ok down to the other deciding factor, The Bike! I have been looking at the zx6r but honestly i find the older models look like something out of miami vice (the old one) and the new one's tend to be a little over my budget of 9k, (sorry to those who own older zx6's). I am currently looking at an 2002 yamaha R6 for 7500 with 20,000k's and in beatiful condition with 10 month Registration (worth it??) or a 2003 Honda CBR600RR (thats the newer one with the exhaust under the seat) in beautiful condition with 25,000k's for $8600, but im worried about the amount of k's. And this is a big maybe but a friend of a friend offered me a 2004 Yamaha R6 with 2300k's in perfect condition for $8500, which i think is a bargain, but hes not sure if he needs to sell it (His wife is making him!) So im mainly deciding between the R6 and the CBR, They both ride well but at the end of the day whats worth it?

Well thats my little essay to you all, but i sadly lack any friends intrested in bikes so its up to you guys to help me. Thanks for reading all of this and i look forward to hearing from you.

- Tweeddaleboy (James)

[Tweeddale]

Just to make it clearer:
What are all the penalties if caught?
Is it worth it?
Does anyone do it?
If i do ride a 600 should I ride with P plates up?
Which Bike?
Is 20,000 - 25,000 k's too much?
Can they be registered under my name eithor though i cant legally ride them and if so what happens if i get a speeding ticket in the mail will they also charge me for riding a 600?

Thanks KSRCers, Oh as you have noticed I have a thing for blue bikes, ive also attached a picture of my sold zzr250 if you didnt remember me otherwise.

- Tweeddaleboy

[Lone Wolf]

I'm not going to recommend doing it, but i spent my P's on a ZX7R. I got lucky. Your choice

[Tweeddale]

I'm not going to recommend doing it, but i spent my P's on a ZX7R. I got lucky. Your choice

Do you know the penalties?

[WRT_GPX]

dont do it.... not reccomended. theres plenty of lams 600's that will still be fun, and once your on your fulls you can derestrict them, add a pipe, some new filters and they will go kinda like stink, but not fantastic.

eg the Hyosung GT650RL... in lams form its a bit slow, but once your READY to derestrict it, add a pipe and retune it, your looking at 80... 85 odd horsepower i thought. not bad step up from a 250, unless you are desperate for a supersport. then the hyosungs a bit fat.

[Tweeddale]

dont do it.... not reccomended. theres plenty of lams 600's that will still be fun, and once your on your fulls you can derestrict them, add a pipe, some new filters and they will go kinda like stink, but not fantastic.

eg the Hyosung GT650RL... in lams form its a bit slow, but once your READY to derestrict it, add a pipe and retune it, your looking at 80... 85 odd horsepower i thought. not bad step up from a 250, unless you are desperate for a supersport. then the hyosungs a bit fat.

Whats do you mean by lams?
And why would i get a hyosung, i still cant legally ride them in victoria!

[Strika]

dont do it.... not reccomended. theres plenty of lams 600's that will still be fun, and once your on your fulls you can derestrict them, add a pipe, some new filters and they will go kinda like stink, but not fantastic.

eg the Hyosung GT650RL... in lams form its a bit slow, but once your READY to derestrict it, add a pipe and retune it, your looking at 80... 85 odd horsepower i thought. not bad step up from a 250, unless you are desperate for a supersport. then the hyosungs a bit fat.

Vic doesn't have the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme, so they are restricted to 250's till off restrictions!

[Lone Wolf]

Then get a 2-stroke 250. Quicker than big bikes through the tight twisty's

[varden]

Never mind the fines and demerit points, consider this....

Your riding down the road minding your own business on your 600 with the WRONG licence class when a little old lady skittles you clean off your bike and puts you straight in hospital.

Compensation pay out you cry!

Sorry, you should not have even BEEN there on that road on THAT bike, so no compensation for you, nothing for ongoing physio, nothing for lost income, nothing for being wheelchair bound for the rest of your life.

In fact you could be sued by her for getting in her way since you were breaking the law by being there.

Crippled AND bankrupt.

Worth the risk??

No.

At the very best if your involved in ANY kind of fender bender, you will not have a legal leg to stand on and the other party will be found not at fault.

You wouldn't want to loose your right to be adequately compensated would you?

Suck it up, ride out your P plates on the dinky wee 250.

[MiG]

At the very best if your involved in ANY kind of fender bender, you will not have a legal leg to stand on and the other party will be found not at fault.

I don't think it works that way. You telling me that if you get t boned by someone running a red light, it's going to be your fault and they'll get off scot free?

[Lainie]

Without sounding nasty BUT why do people continue to want to break the law and post it in a public forum?

[Whitey]

If you have to ask about the cost of the penalties, I'm guessing you don't have a spare few hundred thousand dollars to put towards rehabilitating someone you injure while riding an illegal bike.

Your insurance (including 3rd party) is probably going to be null and void if you have an accident. Even a simple rear-ender can cost you thousands of dollars. Seriously injure or kill someone, (even if it's their fault) and you'll be up to your eyeballs in lawyers and debt for the next decade.

Don't do it !

[Whitey]

At the very best if your involved in ANY kind of fender bender, you will not have a legal leg to stand on and the other party will be found not at fault.

I don't think it works that way. You telling me that if you get t boned by someone running a red light, it's going to be your fault and they'll get off scot free?

Possibly - possibly not, but you can bet that they will try to avoid compensating you by hauling you into a legal battle. After all, he had no legal right to be there on that bike. Got a spare $20,000 to donate to a QC ?

I might be sounding all gloom-and-doom here, but I just don't see why anyone would leave themselves open to potential bankruptcy, just so they can ride a 6R a year earlier. They're a nice bike, but...

[Neka79]

i got a mate who crashed into a falcon abt 6 months ago..he wasnt insured cos he couldnt afford it..no 3rd party property....

he had to shell out $4500 out of his pocket to fix the car...and his bike is still messed up..oh and he still owes $10k (its an 05 R1)...

the reason i say this is, as he WAS licenced, the PERSON in the car was covered if he hadda hit them...

if u hit sum1 u have NO insurance..no comp on ur bike, no 3rd party for other persons car, no 3rd party for other persons life...

considering a rear light cluster set on sumthing like a BMW is closer to $1000 than $100...is it worth it??

Not to mention if u get caught riding it, well over here in SA, they bust u back down a licence class..so u go back to ur L's.... and start again...

[Tweeddale]

Well atm it looks like im not going to be riding anytime soon,

i have thought about a 2-stroke but from past experiance with an aprilia rs250 they are more trouble than they are worth.

With the whole being hit and not getting compensation, its honestly not like that, i have asked my lawyer and he said it still comes down to damage of personal property i would still get a fine for riding but they would have to pay accordingly, so I would have a leg to stand on, well two actually.

With the fines, what ive been told is no demerits and a $110 fine, thats ok, but i just wanted for someone to confirm that.

But yes it comes down to if i hit that bmw and have to declare bankruptcy, which wouldnt be good, at all.

But never the less i think i will still buy a bike if its the right price and just keep it around for a year and use on the track.

Oh and Lainie I havent broken any laws and am posting about it, i am merely asking for advice on breaking the law! (which the law with restrictions is very poor and shouldnt be marked on 3 month L's and 12 month P's, where people can hop on a 1200cc without ever owning any other bike. It should be based on years with legal bike registered under their name. Then experience is proven.) but thats my little winge about the laws but yes i should have got my P's a while ago.

Still want to ride eithor though i know i shouldnt! But you all make a point.

What do people think about the bikes though?

- tweeddaleboy