Sneaky cops in SA...

[Neka79]

i think its proposterous that if i get caught speeding i should have to pay a fine..im neka..dont they kno who i am?? dont they kno how important i am??

[Lainie]

id prefer to see police actually doing real police work- rather than sit 100m away in a hidden car..get out and patrol that stretch of road!! ..

Well, the speed camera operators aren't actually Police, so you wont see them doing much patrolling.

I seen a few of these jobs going on seek last week

[mike-s]

i think its proposterous that if i get caught speeding i should have to pay a fine..im neka..dont they kno who i am?? dont they kno how important i am??

Dude, they gave you the fine BECAUSE your Neka

[Gosling1]

.....I think you'll find that most people vote for the government they dislike least.

The actual quote is "The People Get The Government That They Deserve".

I cannot remember who the quote originated from. It is a few years old I think, but is as valid today as it was back then...

[Strika]

Those who have ridden with me will know that I stick to the speed limit religiously. (Refer Previous post) However, when doing long distances, it is an easy thing to creep over the posted limit inadvertently, unless you have an electronic cruise control fitted. This applies to both cars and bikes.
This is where the Victorian governments 0 tollerance to speeding gets me. Our speedo's are ADR'd to within 10%, and they are running a 3% tolerance for speeding camera's and for mobile radar also. It just doesn't add up to me. Speed camera's are not going to go away, and frankly, with the Government's of the world becoming focussed on protecting us all, I can see a time when our vehicles will all be limited electronically.

I agree with speed camera's in built up areas, and in hot spots and school zones. As a rule, around town, I attempt to remain at or under the limit. I ran over my best mate's little brother when I was 18 (He rode his pushy straight onto the rd from behind a bush on a bend-I wasn't speeding and did not even have time to brake-he broke a fair few bones but was otherwise OK, most prolly cause I was doing 55KPH!), and that shook me up a bit. It sticks in my mind around town all the time even now.

On the open roads, especially our large, long, straight well maintained ones, I can see no reason apart from revenue raising to suggest booking someone for 4% over the limit. (By the way, one of my work cars got done in the Tunnel for 84 in an 80 )

I agree with if you speed and get caught you wear it. But I think the camera's should be set at reasonable tolerances in line with ADR requirements.

Last but not least, maybe dirty tricks like that from them will lead to an escalation of dirty tricks by motorists???????

[Daisy]

.....I think you'll find that most people vote for the government they dislike least.

The actual quote is "The People Get The Government That They Deserve".

I cannot remember who the quote originated from. It is a few years old I think, but is as valid today as it was back then...

No, I mean that when you go to vote, do you really get to vote for someone you want in the job? Usually, no. So because you have to vote anyway, you choose the lesser of 2 weevils.
I tried joining a political party so I could 'have a say'
You don't change politics - politics changes you. Just look at Peter Garrett.

[mike-s]

Which reminds me, there's a state erection here on March 24th, what shits me off is i wont *BE* here for that. So now i have to go and waste *MY* time and organise to put in a vote for some funkwit i dont like. I dont like what either Liberal OR labour have to offer and the minority groups are just that, useless.

Times like this i wish i could just tell them to go blow themselves in a tasmanian toilet.

[Rossi]

Strika,
just for info purposes only...... the last 2 tickets I have collected have a difference between recorded speed and alleged speed of 2 kph, as with great mathematical ability the police officer issuing the tickets worked out that I would receive a higher penalty

And they wonder why I get pissed off Yes, I was speeding, yes I deserve punishing for stepping over the line but PLEASE play fair.
I cannot afford to contest either over 1kph cause knowing my luck I'll get a magistrate who would rather see that nasty motorcycle type chap thrown in the nick

Can I swap my points for a set of steak knives ???

[HemiDuty]

Damnit! I was half way through my second reply last night but then had to leave the computer. Anyway I will just continue on lol.

...look at it this way.
if speed cameras are nothing more than revenue raisers, why doesn't everyone rebel against the government. really stick it up em....

Same reason we don't do it when we disagree with all the other disagreeable shit they do, we have busy lives and must get on with them.

Polititians are the ones that look at the road toll and make the D to try and lower it.
RIGHT or WRONG they believe that speed cameras save lives. Cameras that are visual have not worked so they have moved onto something else.

Hmm, Occam's Razor would point away from this conclusion I think. It is probably more a case of them seeing that the cameras will (and this is true) make more money if they are hidden, and this is why they have "moved onto something else". Get this - Politicians DO NOT always have our best interests at heart. In fact it is quite rare that they do IMHO.

this could go on forever but at the end i=of the day the public roads are not yours or anyone elses own racetrack as someone else said spend less on doing a trackday where it is safer and go as hard as you can. put yourself against a stopwatch and see how good u really are and you might get suprised theat your not that quick but just a dick who is willing to take more risk on the road than other people who want to make it home.....

Yep, I agree with that.

unfortunately the reckless ones are the ones that have caused all of us to get scrutinised so heavily.

Not so sure what you meant with that one....

I think a lot of the reduction in road toll has to do with toughening of drink drive laws, general education and safer cars and roads.

Yep, totally agree with that too.

If other people think they have better ideas, let them run for government and if the general population agrees, then they'll get voted in.

No, even if we agreed with them they probably wouldn't get voted in; as I mentioned before there are bigger issues at stake. And unless you are in the Blue party or the Red party you don't stand a chance, and neither of those parties wants to have anything to do with these "better ideas". It ain't really as democratic as it seems. Mind you it is a hell of a lot better than a lot of other countries, and I am not complaining, more just pointing out what I see as incorrect assumptions. Whether it goes for or against my ideas, the facts must be straight. Kinda like the scientific method I guess lol, if I may borrow that term.

Stay tuned for the next installment of pointlessness......


EDIT: One bracket round the wrong way and the whole thing looks like shit lol. So yeah, I fixed that.

[aardvark]

If other people think they have better ideas, let them run for government and if the general population agrees, then they'll get voted in.

No, even if we agreed with them they probably wouldn't get voted in

Sorry mate, I was being facetious. Unfortunatley, there isn't an emoticon that allows me to show this.

[HemiDuty]

Yet, I have seen reports (not available online, I've looked in the hope of providing a link) that show that accidents involving fatigure occur within a 2 to 3 hour time frame of starting the trip. Most of these trips were intended to be 6+ hour trips.

These people haven't been put to sleep because they were doing 100km/h. They went to sleep because of numerous other reasons, including, funnily enough, being tired. Based on this, I suspect that they were going to fall asleep at some stage of the trip anyway, so why not look at harm minimisation and keep the reduced speed limits?

As someone else has mentioned, you tend to concentrate harder when you are travelling quicker. But, increased level of concentration takes its toll and starts to fade after a period of time, probably increasing the rate of fatigue.

There is definitely something to this, but the counter argument also has it's proponents. If the trip takes substantially less time, on a road that can handle the higher speed, then fatigue is reduced. Hence Autobahns. But I agree this point is not clear in either direction, so will leave that one alone.

as for the whole theory "u concerntrate more at speed" this may be true, but it is tiring, those who have done track days at 200kph plus will attest that after only a few laps ya stuffed...

Well, speaking for myself, I do not get real tired going 200 on a wide open highway. My own experience, which no doubt differs significantly from other's, is that on a longish (heck even shorter) trip I will suffer much less fatigue if I keep a decent pace up and spend less time on the road. But that is just me, and as I said before as far as the general population goes I don't have any conclusive evidence either way, so will leave it at that.

I don't wanna do 200 plus on a bike. I've done it in a car, on the road, but I don't actually feel that more than 150 -160 is necessary.

You are probably in the minority there. Most of us like to do well over 200 if the venue is right. In fact as fast as the sucker will go really.

I don't know about all this talk of "majority rules", and "if the general population agrees", and all the similar comments ???

How many of us chose to have GST ???
How many of us chose to send troops to Iraq ???
How many of us chose to have the new workplace laws ???

We don't get any say or choice, apart from putting a tick in the box next to some "dickheads" name, and then hoping they do the right thing !

That's right. Regardless of which way you swing on the above issues, it is true that we did not get a choice in them, and independant polls show we in fact wanted to say no. Welcome to Representational Parliament, and how the system can be used to AVOID "majority rules".

we didn't choose these things cos we don't have the nations best interests at heart. mostly we only have our own personal best interests at heart.

With this I totally disagree. I believe that most decent people DO have the Nation's best interests at heart when these issues come up. We may not necessarily get it right, but we are thinking of what is right for all of us, not just ourselves. Some politicians on the other hand......

running a state or nation really isn't as simple as we like to think.

And here I do agree wholeheartedly. But being complex doesn't give excuse to doing it poorly.

hemi, congratulations.
i was wondering how far i could take my bullshit arguments b4 someone called me on it. just goes to show that if it sounds reaonable and plausible, people will believe it. ur right, a lot of what i've used to back my argument is irrelevant.

Lol, you did a good job! Quite impressive, but good onya for owning up man, I respect that. Top stuff.

the fact remains that the laws are there and we have to play the cards we're dealt. we can either do it to our advantage or disadvantage.

Yep, agree with that one.

yes i have lost a loved one, but not to speeding. drink driving. amd he was the drunk one. luckily he took no-one else with him. unless you count a traffic pole as a person. and it definatley hasn't clouded my judgement.

Sorry to hear about that. But good to see that you don't let it cloud your judgement, and that you don't use it to win arguments or cheap shots. I was obviously wrong about your emotional involvment in the argument, and for that I appologise.

i've simply had a lot of time on my hands and haven't had a good debate for a while.
that's not to say i don't stand by my "do the crime, do the time" argument.

Good stuff! I love a good debate, especially one where facts and opinions are thrown about without emotional force behind them. It makes for a much more reasonable and enjoyable debate, that's for sure. Oh and in most circumstances I agree with the whole "do the crime" bit.

The actual quote is "The People Get The Government That They Deserve".

I cannot remember who the quote originated from. It is a few years old I think, but is as valid today as it was back then...

Joseph de Maistre from what I, and google, working as a team, can find out lol. But I disagree with it entirely.

On the open roads, especially our large, long, straight well maintained ones, I can see no reason apart from revenue raising to suggest booking someone for 4% over the limit. (By the way, one of my work cars got done in the Tunnel for 84 in an 80 )

I agree with if you speed and get caught you wear it. But I think the camera's should be set at reasonable tolerances in line with ADR requirements.

Yeah I agree with that too.

More in a sec....

[HemiDuty]

Man, everytime I post something up new replies are already there lol. Oh well next one coming...

[HemiDuty]

Strika,
just for info purposes only...... the last 2 tickets I have collected have a difference between recorded speed and alleged speed of 2 kph, as with great mathematical ability the police officer issuing the tickets worked out that I would receive a higher penalty

And they wonder why I get pissed off Yes, I was speeding, yes I deserve punishing for stepping over the line but PLEASE play fair.
I cannot afford to contest either over 1kph cause knowing my luck I'll get a magistrate who would rather see that nasty motorcycle type chap thrown in the nick

This is disgusting, and has absolutely nothing to do with safety. Dodgy fuckers, is it any suprise public opinion lies where it does?

Sorry mate, I was being facetious. Unfortunatley, there isn't an emoticon that allows me to show this.

Lol, tell me about it man. Hell even the ones that are there don't always look enough like their descriptions to me. Confused looks more like half-pissed (off), so I just hope people understand what I mean hehehe.

On the subject of graphs, check this baby out:



Now when you take into account the actuall road deaths due to speeding is somewhere around 300, it sure puts things into perspective. Let's not act like this is Australia's biggest problem ATM, or that it deserves anywhere near the amount of time, effort, money, hate, propoganda, etc. etc. that it currently attracts. In the big picture, it is a few pixels. Yes, in light of all this, I do believe the government is bullshitting and money really is the issue here, as if it was ever really in question.

Anyway, in closing lol, I would just like to say that I am only trying to point out what I think is wrong with the issue. I agree that we need speed limits, and they need to be enforced, but let's keep it reasonable.

The road is most definitely NOT a racetrack. And those who know me, know that the track is where I do the bulk of my hooning, so this is not coming from an emotional attachment to speeding on the road. I hardly ever go on fast roadrides through the hills, because of the danger I forsee.

But the "speed kills" fixation is totally out of whack.

[Daisy]

I don't wanna do 200 plus on a bike. I've done it in a car, on the road, but I don't actually feel that more than 150 -160 is necessary.

You are probably in the minority there. Most of us like to do well over 200 if the venue is right. In fact as fast as the sucker will go really.

Awww shucks.

Don't get me wrong, I like to go fast. But 200+ on the road in a car? Not unless its an autobahn. My rotisserie Mazda was pretty quick, but if something bad happens it happens quick.
On a bike? I don't have the ability. 170ish would probably be my limit. 140 is within it tho.

I think I'm gunna try skydivin'.

[jewjew]

Burky,
I guess you just found the quote function, the posts are clearly in jest and if you actually read them, they also say they are.

If you wish to have a go at someone, make sure they are on the other side and you're point is valid