Sneaky cops in SA...

[falx]

I have to ask. Why does the (not shown) period for 03 - 05 rise?

I also happen to agree that the speed limit multi lane roads could be raised. But that would require spending money. They are still fighting over the Kuranda range upgrade and the road is at 100% loading in peak times now.

[Grasshopper]

sorry.
its just getting to me, all the sheep.

thank fuck we have you to tell us how it is.
must be the years of experience that has led you to be oh so insightful.
GET OVER YOURSELF. YOU'RE NOT THAT SMART!

i better agree with your OPINION then

[aardvark]

I have to ask. Why does the (not shown) period for 03 - 05 rise?

The 03-05 period isn't shown, because the report was written in 2002. I have attached a more up to date graph.

Historically, the trend has been downward and other than a slight increase in 2005, the period you mentioned continues this trend. The road toll last year was 1,614.

Do you have any other non-factual claims to make?

Here's an interesting report for those that are interested and have the time. Some of the opinions here are summed up well in it.
http://www.aggressive.drivers.com/paper ... paper.html

[jewjew]

Aardvark,

Looks like they should leave the speed limits and camera's alone. The best time was between 89 and 91. If they stuck to what they were doing then the toll would be zero by now.....

[aardvark]

If they stuck to what they were doing then the toll would
be zero by now.....

I think a lot of the reduction in road toll has to do with toughening of drink drive laws, general education and safer cars and roads.

I'm not advocating the reduction of speeds on our highways. Far from it. I'm simply trying to point out, that if you choose to speed, and you get caught, then stiff shit. Don't get about whinging about it.

The speed limits we currently have may not be the best option, but they are the ones we have. If other people think they have better ideas, let them run for government and if the general population agrees, then they'll get voted in.

[jewjew]

sorry mate.....
I'm on your side, I have two beautiful little girls and i need sence on the roads.

I was only playing

[HemiDuty]

OK, there are as always valid points on both sides here.

I would however, if I may, offer some criticisms; I will start with Mr Diesel:

...the majority of people in our society through the process of representation in parliament have agreed that this is what is preferred. wanna change things? lobby parliament, run for parliament yourself, do something constructive that actually has the ability to make a change. pointless you might say. that's because the majority of people actually agree with the laws, cos funnily enough, that's how they became laws in the first place. yes, this is a democratic society and everyone is entitled to their opinions but what good is it doing you?

Actually, in pretty much every poll you find, the (usually vast) majority are opposed to speed cameras, and most also believe them to put revenue before safety. And I won't go into how exactly how well we are 'represented' in our current parliament either, or how an election is usually won or lost on issues other than speed cameras, thereby taking away our ability to vote for or against them. Because if it came down to a "Want them or not?" vote, I can tell you which way it would go.....

another point.
"you concentrate more when your speeding"
ever heard of a bloke named alfred einstein?

Actually it's Albert

he's famous for his theory of relativity. basically it's all about perception.

Not to nitpick, but there are 2 theories (Special and General), and neither no it has much to do with perception. But that is for another discussion, perhaps on another forum.

how long before driving at 130 is boring and you need to drive at 160 to be able to concentrate?
is driving at 100 suddenly more demanding therefore requiring more concentration if the speed limit is 70, or more to the point, everyone else is doing a lesser speed? don't give me that bullshit. there was a time when cars struggled to do 60mph flat out in top gear. thank fuck i wasn't around for that, i woulda fallen asleep everywhere i drove.
I think most people here could agree that after a day at the track or a serious blat, sitting on 160 seems really slow. perception people.

You do have a point there, speed perception changes with speed travelled. But there is a case to be made for the fact that travelling 1000km at 100 km/h is more likely to cause driver fatigue than doing it at 130km/h.

I'm no angel, i enjoy a spirited blat as well, but i'm also aware of the consequences of my actions before i plant the foot or twist the wrist, therefore accepting the punishment the instant i break the defined boundaries. don't kid urself. there's no grey area. there is a defined limit on every road. not an advised speed. you either drive at a speed above or below this limit. if you drive below, you won't get booked. if you drive above, you may. and the fact that breaking the law in this instance doesn't bring with it a guaranteed penalty, we should all feel pretty damn lucky.

you can't simply do what you like in this society. despite my views on right and wrong, i'm still intelligent enough to realise that my actions affect others and in order to function in this society, achieve goals i've set for myself, and live with a certain degree of happiness, i know i have to toe the line, or accept the consequences if i don't.

With this, I totally agree.

you may find yourself on the other side of the fence one day.
and when a loved one is hit by a car travelling at 100kmph, i hope you can stand in front of the camera and say that it wasn't speed that killed your kin. the driver fell asleep cos he was so bored. the speed limit should be lifted from 50 to 130 outside school zones.

and before you reply saying that ni'm taking your words out of context or that i'm being excessive or flippant in my examples, pull ur head out of ur arse and actually have a think about how you would like things to be. read what you've written. this is apparently what you people want.
EDIT: thank fuck you people aren't in any position of real power.

This is quite frankly, ridiculous.

I get the feeling that maybe you have lost a loved one to a speeder, and if this is so, I am honestly sorry. But it has skewed your take on things a little. You are getting way too emotional about it.

Would it suprise you to find out that most fatal accidents are NOT caused by speeding? Every independant study undertaken shows that speeding accounts for a minority of fatal accidents.

More in a sec or I will loose my login.....

[aardvark]

Because if it came down to a "Want them or not?" vote, I can tell you which way it would go.....

Yeah, but most people don't want to pay taxes, land rates, car rego etc etc either. Yet will still vote for governments that impose them.

You do have a point there, speed perception changes with speed travelled. But there is a case to be made for the fact that travelling 1000km at 100 km/h is more likely to cause driver fatigue than doing it at 130km/h.

Yet, I have seen reports (not available online, I've looked in the hope of providing a link) that show that accidents involving fatigure occur within a 2 to 3 hour time frame of starting the trip. Most of these trips were intended to be 6+ hour trips.

These people haven't been put to sleep because they were doing 100km/h. They went to sleep because of numerous other reasons, including, funnily enough, being tired. Based on this, I suspect that they were going to fall asleep at some stage of the trip anyway, so why not look at harm minimisation and keep the reduced speed limits?

As someone else has mentioned, you tend to concentrate harder when you are travelling quicker. But, increased level of concentration takes its toll and starts to fade after a period of time, probably increasing the rate of fatigue.

[Burky]

If they stuck to what they were doing then the toll would
be zero by now.....

I think a lot of the reduction in road toll has to do with toughening of drink drive laws, general education and safer cars and roads.

I'm not advocating the reduction of speeds on our highways. Far from it. I'm simply trying to point out, that if you choose to speed, and you get caught, then stiff shit. Don't get about whinging about it.
The speed limits we currently have may not be the best option, but they are the ones we have. If other people think they have better ideas, let them run for government and if the general population agrees, then they'll get voted in.

If you want to go warp speed there is a time and a place "Track Days" ring any bells

[Daisy]

most people don't want to pay taxes, land rates, car rego etc etc either. Yet will still vote for governments that impose them.

I think you'll find that most people vote for the government they dislike least.

[Neka79]

wow..boy am i glad i posted this one up!!

good work me!!

so many points, so few i care about!!

i just dont wanna get caught, and i dont like the sneakyness...id prefer to see police actually doing real police work- rather than sit 100m away in a hidden car..get out and patrol that stretch of road!! ..but that wont happen...

as for the whole theory "u concerntrate more at speed" this may be true, but it is tiring, those who have done track days at 200kph plus will attest that after only a few laps ya stuffed...

neway..play nice kiddies

[Daisy]

as for the whole theory "u concerntrate more at speed" this may be true, but it is tiring, those who have done track days at 200kph plus will attest that after only a few laps ya stuffed...

I don't wanna do 200 plus on a bike. I've done it in a car, on the road, but I don't actually feel that more than 150 -160 is necessary.

[aardvark]

id prefer to see police actually doing real police work- rather than sit 100m away in a hidden car..get out and patrol that stretch of road!! ..

Well, the speed camera operators aren't actually Police, so you wont see them doing much patrolling.

[Woody69]

I don't know about all this talk of "majority rules", and "if the general population agrees", and all the similar comments ???

How many of us chose to have GST ???
How many of us chose to send troops to Iraq ???
How many of us chose to have the new workplace laws ???

We don't get any say or choice, apart from putting a tick in the box next to some "dickheads" name, and then hoping they do the right thing !

Woody

[diesel]

woody,
we didn't choose these things cos we don't have the nations best interests at heart. mostly we only have our own personal best interests at heart.
running a state or nation really isn't as simple as we like to think.

hemi, congratulations.
i was wondering how far i could take my bullshit arguments b4 someone called me on it. just goes to show that if it sounds reaonable and plausible, people will believe it. ur right, a lot of what i've used to back my argument is irrelevant. the fact remains that the laws are there and we have to play the cards we're dealt. we can either do it to our advantage or disadvantage.
yes i have lost a loved one, but not to speeding. drink driving. amd he was the drunk one. luckily he took no-one else with him. unless you count a traffic pole as a person. and it definatley hasn't clouded my judgement.
i've simply had a lot of time on my hands and haven't had a good debate for a while.
that's not to say i don't stand by my "do the crime, do the time" argument.