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Saw this and thought some may like to read it, bearing in mind recent and future track activities :lol:

Which Knee Slider Is Best?

By David Swarts

In normal situations, two things touch the ground when you’re riding a motorcycle at speed on the racetrack: Tires and knee sliders. Obviously knee sliders (also known as pucks) aren’t as important a factor in overall performance as tires. But like tires, knee sliders are a highly personal choice often made by trial-and-error—or by chance when a puck comes up missing and has to be replaced with whatever a trackside vendor has available. To find out if there is a major difference in the performance of different knee puck brands, Roadracing World Racing Editor Chris Ulrich, a self-proclaimed knee-puck abuser, came up with the idea of a comparison test.

Although some people rarely drag their knees on the track (Formula USA Champion Grant Lopez uses only one or two sets of pucks per season), some people—like Ulrich—feel more comfortable when their knee is firmly planted on the ground. Some racers, like Kurtis Roberts, say that they gauge traction through the feel of the knee puck on the tarmac. Some other racers say they actually use their knee sliders like a flat-tracker uses a steel shoe—to hold the bike up when the tires lose traction.

Many racers don’t pay any attention to their knee dragging on the pavement at all. However, a fast rider who likes having his or her knee firmly on the ground can wear through a set of $50 pucks in one track session. That same rider could spend $200 or more in a long race weekend just by making the wrong choice of knee sliders.

Our first call in setting up this test was to Audrey Menarik, a.k.a. Slider Woman (http://www.sliderwoman.com), at her racer-friendly specialty shop, Moto Liberty, in Dallas, Texas (800-214-RACE). We asked her to send us samples of as many knee sliders as possible along with all the information on those sliders that she could gather from the manufacturers. We decided to go through a retailer in order to insure that we got off-the-shelf products, although one manufacturer caught wind of our test and sent us a "ringer" slider. We didn’t have a set number of pucks in mind when we started this project, but ended up testing 19 different models of sliders made by 12 different companies.

We thought long and hard about how to test the sliders. Racing Editor Ulrich and I came up with several possible tests. We considered sending them all to a lab for density analysis. We thought about elaborate experiments to calculate each puck’s coefficient of friction. We considered loading the pucks with a weight and placing them on a moving belt sander for a set amount of time, to measure wear. But we realized that whatever numbers we came up with in a workbench experiment would mean nothing. The real measure of any racing product is how it performs on the track.

So Racing Editor Ulrich suited up, jumped on an all-stock 2001 Suzuki GSX-R600 fitted with fresh race-compound tires, and headed out to do four consistent laps of Willow Springs International Raceway’s 2.5-mile road course with each of our 19 contestants, with special attention to dragging his right knee for the same duration and with the same amount of pressure applied during every set of laps.

Each set of four laps included an out-lap, two flying laps and an in-lap. Since the tires never had a chance to cool down, Ulrich was able to be up to speed and down on his knee in turn two of his out-lap. By the end of the day, Ulrich had done 80 knee-puck test laps (200 miles) with his lap times hovering around 1:30.00.

We chose Willow Springs for our test because it is close by and also allows a rider’s right knee to be down on the pavement for extended periods of time. In turn two at Willow Springs, a rider is leaned over on his knee for what seems like forever at over 100 mph and the same thing happens again in sixth-gear turn eight, at 140+ mph. These two corners gave Ulrich a perfect, and familiar, environment to do our knee slider evaluation.

One rider doing an equal number of laps at an equal speed on each of the different sliders also gave us a way to judge relative slider wear—we used a digital postal scale to measure each brand-new slider’s weight before and after the on-track test. The difference in weight showed the amount of material removed from the slider, and we have provided those numbers in each slider’s evaluation.

To make sure that our test method was consistent and repeatable, we included as a control measure two identical leather pucks from the same manufacturer, tested individually at different times during the test day. Each puck showed exactly the same amount of wear, as measured on the scale to a tenth of an ounce, after four laps with Ulrich.

Before we started the test, we asked Ulrich to describe his close, personal relationship with knee sliders. "What I really like is something that slides really well yet has good grip and doesn’t melt up on me," explained Ulrich, an AMA and WERA racer who won the AMA 750cc Supersport race at Laguna Seca last July and was on the winning time in the 2000 WERA 24-hour at Willow Springs. "Sliders sometime get boogery and slimey when they get hot. They change as they wear, like when a tire goes off. So I look for something that slides really well, doesn’t wear out, doesn’t grab, and doesn’t change, and is consistent throughout the entire life of the puck. I don’t care about noise. You can hear certain ones, but it doesn’t matter to me. If it’s noisy, so what? So is the bike.

"I put a lot of weight on my knees. I’m a boat-anchor kind of guy. I used to race 125s and 250s, and I have really long legs anyway. So now I kind of have brought dragging my knee heavily along with me. It’s one of the things that I do. It’s probably more of a reassurance thing. Once you’ve got the thing cranked over, you’ve got your knee skimming the ground. It works really well just to feel where you’re at.

"I don’t know how true it is about saving a lowside crash with a knee. I mean, I save it but I don’t think it is only because of my knee. Maybe it is, I’m just riding along on my knee, the front goes away, I stay on my knee, and it comes back. I’m trying to think back to the last time I did that. I think it was at Road America in the race. I tucked the front on the brakes and it just sort of came back.

"As far as pucks go, either I like them or I don’t. I wouldn’t go out and buy many of these I’ve tested today. There’s just a certain thing that I look for in a puck."

Knee Puck Reviews
(In No Particular Order,
Other Than How They
Happened To Come Out Of The Box)
Rated From 0-10

RAM Raceware

U.S.-made RAM Raceware knee sliders are made from "The highest wear-resistant plastic material we could utilize, while still maintaining reasonable cost parameters," says RAM Racewares’ Dalene Behlke. The RAM sliders are no-frills blocks of plastic with beveled edges and very strong Velcro material, with no backing-material ears. The strong hook-and-loop fastener combined with the no-ears design makes the RAM puck hard to remove. In fact, we had to use a screwdriver to pry it off Ulrich’s leathers. However, the puck performed well on the track.

"It has pretty good feel, but it’s a bit grabby for a plastic puck," said Ulrich. "It makes a fair bit of noise, not as much as some other plastic sliders. It feels pretty good, actually. They are a pretty good value at $35 racer price. The Velcro is good on them but they are very hard to get off, and there’s nothing worse than a slider ripping the Velcro off your leathers. Also their small oval size didn’t work as well as larger ovals. You can be too big, but you can also be too small and the RAM Racewares are too small. They score a 6."

The RAM Racewares test slider started off weighing 4.5 ounces and weighed 3.8 ounces after the test, a reduction of 15.6%.

Teknic Grand Prix

Korean-made Teknic Grand Prix knee sliders appear very similar to the Pro Slide Multis and Wiz Multis (see below) except that the Teknic sliders feature an *****ded chrome Teknic logo, for a distinctive look. The plastic is stapled to leather backing material attached to male Velcro, and the slider stayed in place well. Large backing-material ears stayed in place and allowed easy removal of the Teknic sliders.

"It slides really well," said Ulrich. "There’s no sound or noise. It felt a bit soft. Initially it was okay, but then when it started to get a little warm it felt like it softened up. It slid real well, no real grip. I don’t really like pucks that don’t have grip. I like plastic ones that have grip. The Velcro is actually impressive, though. However, at $50 per set, these are a poor value. I like their appearance and feel, but I would need three sets or more to get through an AMA weekend. That’s a 4 in my book."

The Teknic Grand Prix test puck started out weighing 5.8 ounces and came off the track weighing 4.3 ounces, a 25.9% reduction.

Spidi

The Italian-made, smallish Spidi (pronounced speed-e) pucks appeared to be a novelty at first with their unique shape, silver color and textured finish. Having said that, on the track, the teardrop-shaped Spidis, made from a plastic/ceramic composite, performed well.

"I liked that one," said Ulrich. "I like the way it felt. It had good grip. Going through the turns, it didn’t get all soft on me. It just skimmed along. I think the shape is really stupid. I don’t quite understand what the hell they’re doing. I mean, I guess it’s kind of a cool shape, but they could be bigger. The material’s good, there’s no noise, the Velcro’s good and the puck’s curve fit well, too. At $30 they are a pretty good value, but they wear quickly. I’ll give them a 6."

The Spidi puck went on the track weighing 4.8 ounces and weighed 3.5 ounces when Ulrich was done with it, a 27.1% reduction.

Dainese

We received only one pair of red Italian-made Dainese sliders and thought that surely this huge leather manufacturer would have a wider selection of puck models. But after reviewing dozens of pictures showing Dainese-sponsored riders, the pucks we tested appeared to be the same pucks on all of Dainese’s suits, including those worn by Valentino Rossi. The Dainese pucks also appeared to be made from the same plastic/ ceramic composite as another Italian brand—Spidi.

"I thought it was gonna wear a lot more than it did," said Ulrich. "I like the feel on it. It didn’t change consistency at all. I liked the way it felt throughout the entire session. It slid good with the right amount of grip. No noise, no vibration. These sliders fit good, had a good feel, stayed in place with okay Velcro and have some cool factor just because they are Dainese. They wore pretty well, too, and at $38 a set, that’s a decent value in this group. Give ‘em a 7."

The Dainese puck lost 9.1% of its weight, dropping from 6.6 ounces to 6.0 ounces after four laps of Willow Springs.

Slick Kevlar

The U.K.-made Slick Kevlar puck is a large oval unit with a Kevlar fabric-weave outer layer. Once that wore away, the material underneath looked like leather and acted like leather, but Chris Bullough of Slick Marketing said that the material is actually a mix of PVC and rubber.

"The consistency changed," said Ulrich. "It started out pretty good but it got real sticky. I really didn’t like the puck that much. It changed after I dragged it for a while. The Velcro felt good; the puck had no vibration, no noise. I thought that these were one of the coolest-looking pucks, though. Unfortunately they wear too quickly for a $50 knee slider. They wear well enough to make a Novice racer—who is looking for style—happy, but on my scale they get a 5."

The Slick sliders dropped from 6.3 ounces to 4.3 ounces, losing 31.8% of pre-test weight.

Teknic Speedstar

The Korean-made Teknic Speedstar ceramic sliders are by far the largest and heaviest sliders in the test. The good side is that they have a lot of material to wear through.

"It slides good but it’s too thick and too heavy," said Ulrich. "It’s all bulky. You can really feel it hanging on your knee. It wears pretty well because it’s huge. You barely have to stick your knee out and it’s on the ground. It didn’t hold me back, though. On the other hand, it had a decent feel, stayed consistent, had decent Velcro and didn’t make any noise. The curve gave a perfect fit and since these huge things will last forever, they are a good value at $40 a pair. Teknic gets a 7.5."

Just one Teknic Speedstar weighed in at 11.5 ounces before the test and 10.1 ounces after, for a total loss of 12.2%.

Bickle

The Bickle is a Canadian-made knee slider that puts performance ahead of being pretty. The puck is securely stapled onto an overlapping backing material with flaps just large enough to take the puck off but not so large as to stick out and drag on the track. According to racer John Bickle, he uses "the hardest commercial plastic available" for his slider material.

"I like that one," said Ulrich. "I thought it would be too hard before I got going but that one stayed good throughout the entire thing, real consistent, real clean. It had the right amount of grip. Plus, they don’t look funny. They wear pretty well but have more grip and a better feel than some of the harder plastic pucks. At $36, they provide a good value and earn a 9 in this test."

The Bickle lost 13.3% of its pre-test weight while on Ulrich’s knee, dropping from 5.3 ounces to 4.6 ounces in weight.

Klucky Pucks

U.S.-made Klucky pucks are a hard plastic slider firmly attached to a heavy-duty patch of leather, which is sewn to Velcro. Made by JMK Specialties, Klucky Pucks come in a variety of colors and are available with custom emblems or numbers molded into the plastic.

"I liked that one," said Ulrich. "There’s no noise, surprisingly. The consistency didn’t change. I like the fact that it slid well but it had good grip. It felt like it had some good friction going on there. It melted a little bit but I never knew it on the track. The Velcro keeps them in place, you can get them in some custom applications, and the white ones left lines on the track which would be good for teaching students in a riding school and bad for teaching your slower competition. The only bad thing about these is that they do melt when hot. $40 is a good value but no one’s perfect, 9."

The Klucky dropped from 6.1 ounces to 5.5 ounces after four laps, a loss of 9.9% of its weight.

Wiz Multi

The U.K.-made Wiz Multi pucks are molded using different colors of plastic to create a psychedelic appearance throughout. The Wiz Multi is very similar to the Teknic Chrome and the Pro Slide Multi as far as size, shape and material of the slider and performed similarly.

"That was pretty good," judged Ulrich. "I like the way it felt and the way it gripped. I think for longevity, I don’t think it’s gonna be enough. I don’t think it’s durable. That’s good plastic, though. That’s the kind of plastic I like. No noise, no vibration, good feel and good Velcro. I like this puck. The Wiz has a love-or-hate look to them that I like, but it might look kind of dorky walking around at the track. They fit good, feel good, stay in place but wear quickly enough for me to call a $36 puck low on value. I give them a 6. "

The Wiz suffered a 19.7% loss in total weight during four laps, dropping from 5.1 ounces to 4.1 ounces.

Pro Slide Multi

The U.K.-made Pro Slide Multi has the same size and shape as the Teknic Chrome and Wiz Multi. The Pro Slide Multi, like the Wiz Multi, is molded with different colors of plastic and has a name sticker that comes off as soon as the puck hits the tarmac.

"It’s the same as the Wiz," stated Ulrich. "I’m a little skeptical about the wear on this one, however. It was only four laps and half the thing is gone. The Velcro flaps are all flapping around like the other Pro Slides. It’s probably a good puck if you are a guy who doesn’t drag his knee a lot. For a guy like me, it sucks. It has a good feel, no vibration and no noise. It’s flat, which instantly raises its rankings from the other Pro Slide products. The Multi has the same take-it-or-leave-it look as the Wiz with nearly identical price and performance. I guess that means it gets a 6."

The wear factor of the Pro Slide Multi changed our initial impression that it is the same puck as the Teknic and the Wiz—it’s either different or else there’s a quality control problem coming into play. The Pro Slide Multi shed 36.4% of its weight in four laps, from 5.5 oz. to 3.5 oz.

Pro Slide Black

The U.K.-made Pro Slide Black is a basic knee slider. A plain black-painted finish gives way to a fairly tough black composite underneath. Unfortunately, the puck features a curved shape that didn’t seem to fit right on Ulrich’s knee no matter which way we turned it and Velcro tabs that didn’t hold securely, instead sticking out and getting ground away on the pavement.

"That one’s fine," said Ulrich. "It worked good. It did everything a knee puck’s supposed to do. It melted a little bit. I think if I went any longer I would have killed it, but it stayed consistent. Feel, feedback and noise were all good. The bend and shape is bad, and the Velcro they’ve got on this thing is stupid. The Velcro tabs won’t stay in place, tend to stick out and then get worn away. That’s not very practical for a racer. You end up having to duct-tape it on. The same thing with almost all of the Pro Slides, the curve gives a bad fit on the knee. They didn’t wear well and melted some, but at $35 are cheap enough to sell some. They get a 5."

The Pro Slide Black was reduced from 6.5 ounces to 5.3 ounces in four laps, an 18.5% loss of weight.

Pro Slide Yellow

The U.K.-made Pro Slide Yellows are made out of plastic, with the same hard-to-use pre-curve as the Pro Slide Black pucks. Again, the loose Velcro flaps stuck out and ground away on the pavement.

"It’s got alright feel but it kind of got grippy near the end," said Ulrich. "It seems like the wear on it is a bit excessive for the amount of laps that I did. I wore that thing all the way down to the staples. I’m not a fan of their Velcro system and the way they fit with the curve. Their pre-curved design isn’t very good. It doesn’t fit the leathers at all, the curvature of the knee or anything. These pucks give a good feel, but I can’t stand trying to get them to feel right on the leathers with that stupid curve. Even though $30 is a low price, the wear rating on these plastic pucks is even lower. They get a middle of the road 5."

The plastic Pro Slide Yellow dropped from 5.5 ounces to 4.0 ounces in just four laps under Ulrich’s knee. That’s a 27.3% loss of weight.

ARI

Swedish-made ARI sliders—available in day-glo yellow, red or black—are catching on quickly in America.

"The thing about all of these pucks," said Ulrich, "they each had a certain amount of grip. Some of them grab more, some grab less. This one, it just kind of skims along pretty good. It’s not too thin, it’s not too thick. It’s pretty good. It doesn’t start out too big, but it doesn’t wear too fast, either. It has good feel but it has good slide. A lot of these have good feel but not good slide, some are just junk. It was like Goldie Locks and the Three Bears—just right. The Velcro is pretty horrible, though, and you will have to end up using duct tape to keep them on your knee. Too bad because the pre-curve is good and the feel and wear are excellent. For $35 a pair, these get an 8."

The ARI sliders lost 11.2% of their weight in four laps, dropping from a pre-test weight of 5.4 ounces to 4.8 ounces.

Pro Slide Carbon

The U.K.-made Pro Slide Carbon was by far the lightest puck in our test and we know exactly why. Before we even got them out of the box, we could peel back the loosely-stapled Velcro/backing material to see that the pucks feature a hollow carbon-fiber shell filled with some sort of hardened foam material. Although the sliders looked great, they didn’t stand up on the racetrack.

"I don’t know what the f--k they were thinking!" exclaimed Ulrich after he wore through the Pro Slide Carbons and into his leathers in just two laps. "The puck lasted two laps at Willow Springs, not even two laps because at the end of the first lap the thing was already dragging leather. The wear sucks. It’s not a very good racing knee puck at all. All show, no go. One word—worthless. These things were gone in one lap practically and then had me drag my leathers. That’s $50 for the pucks plus the cost of a leather repair equals not-a-value. These score an absolute zero."

The Pro Slide Carbon weighed 3.2 ounces before the test and 1.1 ounces after only two laps for a 65.7% loss.

Trak-Pads

U.S.-made Trak-Pads from Kinetic Research are available in a number of different colors and have been used by racers since 1983, according to Kinetic Research President James Fort. The Trak-Pads are easy to place in different locations on a rider’s knee. Fort says that Trak-Pads have a curved surface in every plane to minimize the chance of catching an edge on a track irregularity.

"Yeah, it’s really hard and durable," said Ulrich. "But it’s too slick for my preference. It doesn’t have enough bite or anything. It just kind of slides along there and no matter how much pressure you put on it, it’s the same. It doesn’t change at all. It’s probably the best thing to have for an endurance race. It’ll last forever. It would probably last a guy like me half the season. I just don’t like the way it feels. It doesn’t distract me or slow me down or anything. I just like to have more reassurance on that knee. I want a nice medium of feel, not too grabby, not too slick. The Trak-Pads didn’t give me the feel I want because they are too hard. But because they are hard they will last forever. With their long life and $40 price, the Trak-Pads are the best value, and that goes a long way with racers. 9."

The Trak-Pad lost 10.3% of its total weight during four laps, dropping from 4.9 to 4.4 ounces.

Asphalt & Gas Leather Standard

After eight years in the business, Jeff Lee of Asphalt & Gas is one of the leading authorities on leather knee sliders in America, and he personally hand-makes each of his sliders in San Francisco, California, U.S.A. by gluing together layers of leather and then cutting out pucks and attaching backing material and Velcro. Lee sent us several different models of A&G leather knee sliders to try but he also offers a seemingly-endless list of custom options—such as cutting a number into the puck or cutting the puck in a custom shape, such as the Army of Darkness’ skull-and-connecting-rods design. The first A&G slider we tested was a standard-size in the standard-compound, which we received in both unpainted/unsanded and painted/ sanded finishes. Both pucks performed identically and are reviewed together.

"They are a bit more grippy than the plastic stuff but they still slide really well," said Ulrich. "No noise at all. No chatter or vibration or anything. That’s pretty good, though. I was surprised at how well they slid. In the past when I’ve used leather stuff, they stuck to the ground a little bit more. But this time they were a bit slicker. I was happy with them. No noise, no nothing. It seems if you really dig the things in, they will have that grip to help you save the front end, but some of the plastic ones have the same thing going on, too. These provide your standard leather-puck feel. They wore good, fit good, Velcro worked well, smoking knee sliders get some points under the cool factor, and at $40 they are a good value. People who prefer leather pucks may rank these higher, but they are a 6.5 to me in this crowd."

The standard compound-standard size A&G dropped from 5.4 ounces to 4.9 ounces, a loss of 9.3%.

Pro Slide Leather

The U.K.-made Pro Slide Leather pucks have the same weird curved shape as the Pro Slide Black, Pro Slide Carbon and Pro Slide Yellow plastic pucks.

"That one worked pretty good, too," said Ulrich. "I don’t know, what’s up with that? It’s softer if you wear through the first layer. The sliding on it was good. Like the A&G it doesn’t seem like the friction increases with pressure. It slides the same as the A&G one, but the wear on this one doesn’t seem as good. The fit on this one isn’t as good as the A&G. The A&G seems like it’s more clean, it doesn’t have all of that shit (loose backing tabs) hanging off it. These leather pucks actually wore better than their plastic ones, but at $50 a pair are not a good value. I give them a 5."

After starting out with a weight of 5.9 ounces, the Pro Slide Leather puck weighed 5.3 ounces at the finish for a total loss of 10.2 %.

Asphalt & Gas Superbike Super Endurance Leather

The U.S.-made A&G Superbike-sized, Super Endurance-compound leather sliders came with a sanded and painted black finish.

"This one acts like an actual leather puck," said Ulrich. "This is a stereotypical leather puck. It’s got more friction than a normal puck. That’s not something that I like. There’s never noise with leather. I imagine it was smoking out there, though, because my dad has sworn by leather sliders since I started racing and I used to see his knee pucks smoking when I followed him on the track. It felt like that ceramic Teknic puck. The thing is huge. I could feel it on my knee. These big ones are a specialty puck from a company that specializes in knee sliders. The larger surface of the slider can give you more versatility especially if you are at a racetrack with high curbs that catch your knee in different areas. The larger area does give you more puck to use as they slowly wear down. Because they are bigger, they weigh more and cost more, and $60 a pair equals a ranking of 7."

The A&G SE-compound, Superbike-size puck was the second-heaviest in our test, weighing at 9.4 ounces at the start. After four laps with Ulrich, the big A&G weighed 8.2 ounces, a 12.8% loss of mass.

Asphalt & Gas SE-R Leather

Asphalt & Gas also included what we referred to as "The Ringer", a standard-sized single puck made in Jeff Lee’s special SE-R compound.

"That’s pretty impressive, the amount of wear on it," said Ulrich about Jeff Lee’s super-duper endurance compound. "It doesn’t slide like a typical leather puck. It just kind of skimmed along. It wasn’t too grabby. It was consistent. It was good. That’s a good puck. It’s a good leather puck, but it’s a good puck, period. I guess if they made them like that all of the time I might wear a set. These felt more like a good plastic puck than a leather slider, which I really liked. They seemed to wear like iron enough to make the $55 price not a bad value. They fit good and stayed right where you want them to stay. They are the best leather pucks that I have ever used, 8.5."

The A&G SE-R compound puck lost 2.9% of its weight after four laps with Ulrich. The actual weight dropped from 7.0 ounces to 6.9 ounces.

Wear Resistance Based On Measured Wear,
Least Wear To Most Wear In Four Laps:

1. A&G (SE-R-compound, standard-size), 2.9% worn
2. Dainese, 9.1% worn
3. A&G (standard-compound, standard-size), 9.3% worn
4. Klucky, 9.9% worn
5. Pro Slide Leather, 10.2% worn
6. Trak-Pads, 10.3% worn
7. ARI, 11.2% worn
8. Teknic Speedstar, 12.2% worn
9. A&G (SE-compound, Superbike-size), 12.8% worn
10. Bickle, 13.3% worn
11. RAM Racewares, 15.6% worn
12. Pro Slide Black, 18.5% worn
13. Wiz Multi, 19.7% worn
14. Teknic Grand Prix, 25.9% worn
15. Spidi, 27.1% worn
16. Pro Slide Yellow, 27.3% worn
17. Slick Kevlar, 31.8% worn
18. Pro Slide Multi, 36.4% worn
19. Pro Slide Carbon, 65.7% worn

Retail Price, Least Expensive To Most Expensive:

1. TIE, Spidi/Pro Slide Yellow, $30
3. TIE, RAM Racewares/Pro Slide Multi/Pro Slide Black/ARI, $35
7. TIE, Bickle/Wiz Multi, $36
9. Dainese, $38
10. TIE, Teknic Speedstar/Klucky/Trak-Pads/A&G (standard-compound, standard-size), $40
14. TIE, Pro Slide Leather/Pro Slide Carbon/Teknic Grand Prix/Slick Kevlar, $50
18. A&G (SE-R-compound, standard-size), $55
19. A&G (SE-compound, Superbike-size), $60

Pre-test Weight, Lightest To Heaviest:

1. Pro Slide Carbon, 3.2 ounces
2. RAM Racewares, 4.5 ounces
3. Spidi, 4.8 ounces
4. Trak-Pads, 4.9 ounces
5. Wiz Multi, 5.1 ounces
6. Bickle, 5.3 ounces
7. TIE, A&G (standard-compound, standard-size)/ARI, 5.4 ounces
9. TIE, Pro Slide Yellow/Pro Slide Multi, 5.5 ounces
11. Teknic Grand Prix, 5.8 ounces
12. Pro Slide Leather, 5.9 ounces
13. Klucky, 6.1 ounces
14. Slick Kevlar, 6.3 ounces
15. Pro Slide Black, 6.5 ounces
16. Dainese, 6.6 ounces
17. A&G (SE-R-compound, standard-size), 7.0 ounces
18. A&G (SE-compound, Superbike-size), 9.4 ounces
19. Teknic Speedstar, 11.5 ounces

Chris Ulrich’s Subjective Value Rating, Top 5:

1. Trak-Pads
2. Klucky
3. ARI
4. Bickle
5. Tecknic Speedstars

Chris Ulrich’s Subjective Cool Looks Rating, Top 5:

1. Slick Kevlar
2. Pro Slide Carbon
3. Spidi
4. Wiz Multi
5. A&G (custom shape)

Chris Ulrich’s Award For The Most Worthless Slider:

Pro Slide Carbon

Chris Ulrich’s Award For Best Leather Slider:

A&G (SE-R-compound, standard-size)

Chris Ulrich’s Award For Worst Velcro:

ARI

Chris Ulrich’s Personal Pick:

ARI

Chris Ulrich’s Overall Comparison Test Winner:

Klucky

Chris Ulrich’s Subjective Point Rankings:

1. TIE, Klucky/Trak-Pads/Bickle, 9
4. A&G (SE-R-compound, standard-size), 8.5
5. ARI, 8
6. Teknic Speedstar, 7.5
7. TIE, A&G (SE-compound, Superbike-size)/Dainese, 7
9. A&G (standard-compound, standard-size), 6.5
10. TIE, RAM Raceware/Spidi/Wiz Multi/Pro Slide Multi, 6
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Why no leathers or sparks ? Can't get decent photo without those :D
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Typical American test as the American and Canadian sliders were at the top.

Would love to have his job though.
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man..u must have such a boring life strika??

i read abt 3 lines and gave up..fark that..theres porn to be found...
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Holy Shit that's a long bit of work for little bits of plastic that wear out.

I reckon the Kaneg ones are the ducks guts. $17.50 a set and they seem to wear really well.
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The Joe Rocket ones I bought for $10 aren't too flash.
The velcro is a bit average and they are wearing out really quick..
and cause they are shaped, you can't swap the left for the right.. (i will..)...
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javaman wrote:Why no leathers or sparks ? Can't get decent photo without those :D
there was leather ones....

as for sparks and photo's

mine spark all the time, but no pics show it. GRRRRRRR
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MadKaw wrote:The Joe Rocket ones I bought for $10 aren't too flash.
The velcro is a bit average and they are wearing out really quick..
and cause they are shaped, you can't swap the left for the right.. (i will..)...
worth $10 though..
Yeah the JR ones disappear at a rapid rate! I might try the Kaneg ones. Leather is very exxie and doesn't last all that long! Looks good but!! :lol:
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Wattie wrote:
javaman wrote:Why no leathers or sparks ? Can't get decent photo without those :D
there was leather ones....

as for sparks and photo's

mine spark all the time, but no pics show it. GRRRRRRR
pics or it didnt happen ! :D
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Post by diesel »

the agv ones i got with my suit wore pretty quick.
but that was probably cos i just learnt how to get it down and ground it into the PI surface as hard and long as possible.

i reckon i've got 2 more trackdays left in the $40 pair of joe rocket sliders i bought.
though i did tend to use my knee as a guide.
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Neka79 wrote:man..u must have such a boring life strika??

i read abt 3 lines and gave up..fark that..theres porn to be found...
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So can you get slider extensions? I'll need them so that when I finally get some leathers with sliders, I'll need them extended so that I can actually touch them down on the road ;)
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....Although some people rarely drag their knees on the track ....
- they can still go pretty quick.

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Great post mate, lots of good info there for the knee-draggin' brigade.

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Wattie wrote:
javaman wrote:Why no leathers or sparks ? Can't get decent photo without those :D
there was leather ones....

as for sparks and photo's

mine spark all the time, but no pics show it. GRRRRRRR
Here's a little spark or two :D
But seriously this is no comparison. You coming down the straight and into turn one at EC. You're lit up like a sparkler :lol: :lol:

Next time we'll get one for sure, its a must see.... :wink:
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thanks princess!

i need a video camera monted on the forkleg pointing back to me knee ;)
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