500km Oil Change?

Saki · Post by **Saki** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:16 am

i am with colette on this one, there is a reason there is an oil filter on the bike, to filter the oil, which is thing that will catch alll the flecks of shite! and there is a reason they put 'run in' oil in the bike. you have to run it in!! Colette and I both bought BRAND spanking new 636's and from the convo's we have had both of ours are running strong!

falx · Post by **falx** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:16 am

The reasoning behind not using Synthetic is that its too slippery.

So the engine will not wear in.

This guy throws a different spanner in.

Its probably linked somewhere else but here it is anyway. It is controversial, so dont flame me if you dont like it. Just think about what he says and why. Also think about the fact that bike engines he builds win races.

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Johnnie5 · Post by **Johnnie5** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:21 am

Saki wrote:i am with colette on this one, there is a reason there is an oil filter on the bike, to filter the oil, which is thing that will catch alll the flecks of shite! and there is a reason they put 'run in' oil in the bike. you have to run it in!! Colette and I both bought BRAND spanking new 636's and from the convo's we have had both of ours are running strong!

running in oil is from the noahs ark days when manufacturing tolerances were large and cast iron barrels existed

I bet donuts that the oil that is in new bikes is the cheapest nastiest shit that they could find which is another reason for 1K change

fact is the oil filter only filters down to a certain size, anything smaller travels around your motor causing wear rather than running in

did you change your own oil an see for your own eyes on the 2nd oil change all the metal fleck coming out , this is even more prevelant on newer dirtbikes which often have a metal strainer in the oil circuit

when you spend $15K on a new bike then $30 for oil and a filter is cheap insurance and the benefits have been seen many times

Saki · Post by **Saki** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:42 am

thats why u have a 2 year warranty with your bike!

Johnnie5 · Post by **Johnnie5** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:13 am

Saki wrote:thats why u have a 2 year warranty with your bike!

for what ?

warranty if for things break or dont do what they are supposed to do

whats warranty got to do with oil changes ?

mrmina · Post by **mrmina** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:04 pm

Ratmick wrote:
mike-s wrote:i was always led to believe that the best thing to do was change the oil at 2-300km with a mineral oil. This gets the majority of the metal flakes & crap out of the engine so that it can bed in without any excess wear.
My trip to work and back is pretty close to 200km (it's 185km) .

farken hell. thats a shit load of kays to go to work.

hoffy · Post by **hoffy** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:36 pm

look at it this way, the engineers of motorcycles dont get paid eleventy billion dollars to fuck shit up.

I would believe them

Johnnie5 · Post by **Johnnie5** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:54 pm

hoffy wrote:look at it this way, the engineers of motorcycles dont get paid eleventy billion dollars to fuck shit up.

I would believe them

hmm should i mention the gearbox

how about hondas reg/rect

do you believe everything you hear or read ?

they say whatever they can to cover their arses

Post by **robracer** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:14 pm

hoffy wrote:look at it this way, the engineers of motorcycles dont get paid eleventy billion dollars to fuck shit up.

I would believe them

Hoffy you have bought up a point... I have heard that big name manufacturers of white goods like washing machienes only build them to last through the waranty period so thay can sell more!

With the oil change question if you have time & the $ change it!
first 2 changes mineral
next changes full synthetic

My previous ducatis would get a change every 1000 ks sometimes sooner!
this is from a prevention aspect... V twin rebuilds are real exxy!

Slow and wobbly · Post by **Slow and wobbly** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:28 pm

No realy Mick how many other Hondas do you see stopped by the side of the Calder on the way to work because they didn't change they're oil before 1000k's?

FrogZ · Post by **FrogZ** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:28 am

What so anyone doubts that changing the oil is a good idea ??

Or that motors running in have metal going through them ??

Or do you think that the metal works to file down stuff so it "runs better"

Does anyone think that it DAMAGES it more to change the oil early, surely no one is THAT stupid

And that is what the original post is about.

No it wont stop the bike going DOH but it is cheap insurance to change it more often that recomended. Basic stuff really.

Ask yourself whether if you had the choice between 2 identical bikes and one had regular oil changes (inside the specs by half each time) and one on spec which YOU would rather have. Simple eh

And dont kid yourself that the first K's on the bike ARENT the most important. Cmon guys this shouldnt really be up for discussion its straight common sense. How you may have f*cked up your run in (even if it is running "strong"

) is unimportant. That you may now suspect you should have changed it earlier and are trying to convince others to your wicked ways is. Its fine metal, it goes through the filter, bearings pick it up, it might be YEARS but the motor MUST suffer. THINK about it.

So I take it you nay sayers dont warm your bikes up either cause advice like your giving is in the same league

ty · Post by ty » Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:57 am

frogzx12r wrote:Does anyone think that it DAMAGES it more to change the oil early, surely no one is THAT stupid And that is what the original post is about.

No it wont stop the bike going DOH but it is cheap insurance to change it more often that recomended. Basic stuff really.

That's what it comes down to - who's right and wrong is a hesaid-shesaid argument that'll go nowhere.
If you're worried or want to be absolutely certain, change it early.
ty

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:43 am

hmmmm so many good opinions..but confusing as crap for Mick....

Mick...when i bought my bike BRand New i did wot Colette said...the same as my dealer said..so as to not cause any dramas with warranty!!

ur choice mate, every one will tell u what to do, but u choose who to listen to....

oh..def NO synth until 12k..stay mineral...

BladeBoy · Post by **BladeBoy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:00 am

I always have changed the oil and FILTER twice as often as the manufacturers say, all depends on how long you want to keep the bike, now sync oils is a problem for me, just how many K do you do before you should use it?

Gosling1 · Post by **Gosling1** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:49 pm

BladeBoy wrote:..... now sync oils is a problem for me, just how many K do you do before you should use it?

8-10k is usually enough before you start using fully synth.