No Front plates...

Post by **MadKaw** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:41 am

Front Numberplates for motorcycles are gone, taken off the National agenda
for action.
It's over. The ignorant finger of blame has been withdrawn.

I am pleased to inform you that the National Road Safety Action Plan 2007
and 2008 was approved today by the Australian Transport Council. Release of
the new Plan was announced in a joint media statement by Ministers Lloyd and
Vaile
(http://www.ministers.dotars.gov.au/jl/r ... 0_2006.htm)
and the document can be accessed directly from the ATC website at the
following address:
http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/documents/n ... n_0708.pdf.

The NRSS AP document is about 4Mb to download.

Riveting reading.

This particular NRSS AP is the best I have seen.
There is evidence of open minds and thoughtful inquiry.
It is not all agreeable, but much more reasonable.

Reason and common sense have come forward.
We need to give recognition to this, encourage it, give praise to the NRSS
Panel members.

I am pleased that common sense has prevailed and the silly proposal has
finally been dropped.

Guy Stanford
MCC of NSW

daffy67 · Post by **daffy67** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:14 am

I'm sure they will try to do some other measure by stealth so as to identify the 'killers' that are us motor cyclists.

Here we go"• Road surface issues have a greater impact on safety for
motorcyclists than for other motor vehicle drivers."
Flag this one for future reference.

Another "Ensure that motorcycle-specifi c issues are taken into account
in the design and construction of new roads and improvements
to existing roads, including maintenance and selection of
safety treatments, particularly on popular motorcycle routes."

mick_dundee · Post by **mick_dundee** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:39 am

I'm also not totally convinced it's off the agenda, there were (are?) 2 states working pretty hard on this, those being Vic and WA so for some federal thing to come out and say nah, no longer something we give a shit about... i'm not sold by any means.

daffy67 · Post by **daffy67** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:45 am

The three key action items:

• education and enforcement measures addressing road user
behaviour, with speed management as an important priority

• improving the safety of roads and roadsides
• accelerating the introduction of vehicles with improved safety
systems.

easy to see which one costs the least and is the easiest to enforce.

There's lot's more $$$ from the motorist cash cow that the government could use in road funding:
"The economic benefit of such expenditure is estimated to average around $5per dollar spent, with an accumulating safety benefit of about 24 deaths prevented per year from a $287 million program. Sustained expenditure of $287 million per year over four years would reduce annual deaths by almost 100. Greater investment in these programs would produce commensurately larger benefits."

Forever the cynic i can see fines being raised to cover the above scenario, i would like to see the balance sheet on revenue from these and where it is really spent.

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:19 am

nice to see some pollie 'speak' thats reasonable

btw
Dave
the link to that PDF is not working
you gotta another link to it?

cheers

daffy67 · Post by **daffy67** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:23 am

http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/documents/n ... n_0708.pdf

mrmina · Post by **mrmina** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:05 pm

mick_dundee wrote:I'm also not totally convinced it's off the agenda, there were (are?) 2 states working pretty hard on this, those being Vic and WA so for some federal thing to come out and say nah, no longer something we give a shit about... i'm not sold by any means.

who rattled ur cage. go back to sleep.

mick_dundee · Post by **mick_dundee** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:21 pm

Quote from http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/stor ... 90,00.html

The Sunday Mail can reveal 60 per cent of all photos of speeding motorcyclists were rejected because motorcycles are not required to have front numberplates – only at the back – so could not be identified.

Last financial year 2553 motorcyclists – an average of 212 a month – were caught speeding by the cameras, but could not be identified and fined.

In each case the motorcyclist should have copped a $700 fine, eight demerit points and a six-month licence suspension because they were more than 40km/h over the speed limit

Inspector John McCoomb, officer-in-charge of the Traffic Camera Office, said motorcyclists were not being deterred from offending.

"There's a propensity for motorcycle riders to actually not only flout the law in relation to the fact that they feel they can't be detected, but to go that bit quicker and therefore drive more recklessly in the process," he said.

"The fact is, particularly from a technology situation, we're not actually catching up with them.

"That is very, very frustrating, bearing in mind a huge percentage of our fatalities come from motorcycles."

Yup, front number plates dead and buried, oh look, a flying pig!!

Saki · Post by **Saki** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:01 pm

wat a crock of shit! as if a front plate is going to lower the death rate on a bike, the only thing it will do is raise money!

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:39 pm

daffy67 wrote:http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/documents/n ... n_0708.pdf

ta mate...she works

mrmina · Post by **mrmina** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:57 pm

Saki wrote:wat a crock of shit! as if a front plate is going to lower the death rate on a bike, the only thing it will do is raise money!

as stupid as it may sound they have to justify it without saying its a good idea to get more money.

chuffed · Post by **chuffed** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:01 pm

Saki wrote:wat a crock of shit! as if a front plate is going to lower the death rate on a bike, the only thing it will do is raise money!

it's funny how everything they do has this effect, what are they gonna do when none of us have a licence left. Find something even more insignicant to hound people for.

Jeez McCoomb can talk some shit.

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:49 pm

ahh well at least our bikes wont look like shit with plates on the front...

daffy67 · Post by **daffy67** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:03 pm

Smitty wrote:
daffy67 wrote:http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/documents/n ... n_0708.pdf

ta mate...she works

swabio-ACT · Post by **swabio-ACT** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:14 pm

i actually wonder how effective a front plate (sticker type) would be, considering the curved surface that it would be adhered to.... not only that, but ther is not a hell of a lot of surface area to actually house the sticker....

So considering crap such as sun glare, if you are changing lanes therefore at an angle etc..... would they actually work? Or would it be just another massive time and $$$ wasting effort..... considering that the 'curved' number plate covers were banned due to distorting the plate.... would a 'polished / waxed' & bug splattered sticker on the curved surface (on sports bikes anyway

) be actually visible at all?