Help i'm all messed up

greenmeanie · Post by **greenmeanie** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:02 pm

Checkout out the blackie he has left(not the one in his pants

)!

mrmina · Post by **mrmina** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:28 pm

at what point would u abandon the bike

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:22 pm

mrmina wrote:at what point would u abandon the bike

NEVER...

never,ever give up...make it spit YOU off....be the boss

Kishy · Post by **Kishy** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:04 am

Question..

When youre in that situation, anything instinctively an experienced
rider does that can help get you out of that situation?

Are you supposed to keep throttle on? off?

or is the only possible saviour the positioning of front wheel?

& this situation dosent necessarily have to be on a track.. also talking
about when/if it happens to anyone on the road.

blackninja · Post by **blackninja** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:03 am

Kishy wrote:Question..

When youre in that situation, anything instinctively an experienced
rider does that can help get you out of that situation?

Are you supposed to keep throttle on? off?

or is the only possible saviour the positioning of front wheel?

& this situation dosent necessarily have to be on a track.. also talking
about when/if it happens to anyone on the road.

ummm open your eyes really really wide

stevew_zzr · Post by **stevew_zzr** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:31 am

I'm not that experienced - but from my experience you have two options - stay smooth (no sudden brakes, clutch, throttle movement, steering movement etc) until it lays down on it's side

....

or do something drastic and get bucked off

Duane · Post by **Duane** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:37 am

An experienced rider would not generally end up in that position, never mind getting out of it!!

he's farked

MickLC · Post by **MickLC** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:03 pm

Kishy wrote:Question..

When youre in that situation, anything instinctively an experienced
rider does that can help get you out of that situation?

Are you supposed to keep throttle on? off?

or is the only possible saviour the positioning of front wheel?

& this situation dosent necessarily have to be on a track.. also talking
about when/if it happens to anyone on the road.

Whenever I've spun the rear up, the bike has corrected it all by itself...anything I try to do like back off just leads toward a highside. Luckily I haven't had one yet, but I've been bloody close. The cause was not being smooth with the throttle on cold tyres and then chopping it off when the slide started.
Having said that I still reckon that guy is toast! Gotta love the Sultan of Slide though...

FrogZ · Post by **FrogZ** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:20 pm

Direct from Keith Code as well as I can remember
(someone go and get twist of the wrist or Steve Brouggy quick!!)
Dont do ANYTHING, keep the throttle CONSTANT
Any acceleration (spin more) or deceleration (grip and highside) will make it worse. If you have done either and got out of it you were putting in other inputs that did it (Keith Code here, not me).
Ditto with any body inputs (remember only one force at a time)
If it all works out right the road will gradually "catch up with the tyre" and you can move onto looking for the dunnies....
If you imagine doing the same thing (ie gas it up and spinning the rear) on the straight ahead and suddenly buttoning off or moving your weight, the reaction is the same just not so "radical", ie. wieght transfer, and this is a BIG no no....

Personal experience, ZX7R, Norwell (Holden Driver Training, near Beenleigh Qld). Pulling nice slides out of 2nd gear left hander. Get cocky and apply throttle for more "angle", BIG slide, throttle off, grip Yeehaaa Buckeroo...
Now on the 12, gas it up (so to speak) and wait for the road to catch up to the tyre. This ISNT skill it is just power understand and with the bike relatively upright (thought still on a good angle) and basically showing off

I am NO Stauffer ("Its not a throttle its a light switch"

) but once you have set your throttle input you have to "ride it out" , you really have little choice other than body input to try and keep it all rubber side down.

I am sure there a lot with a HELL of a lot more experience on this important topic (with todays HP's) and I am sure willing to learn....

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:32 pm

Kishy wrote:Question..

When youre in that situation, anything instinctively an experienced
rider does that can help get you out of that situation?

Are you supposed to keep throttle on? off?

or is the only possible saviour the positioning of front wheel?

& this situation dosent necessarily have to be on a track.. also talking
about when/if it happens to anyone on the road.

mate ive had it happen on the track, but not to that extent..i stayed on the gas, and waited for it to sort itself out..which it did...
backing off could cause instant grip & high side ya...powering up will cause it to slip more...

u could always just start praying for forgiveness too..that helps...