Strika wrote:Having been lucky enough to meet Wayne a few times, and even have dinner and a night out with him, I can vouch for him being just another Aussie guy! Down to Earth, intelligent, funny and genuinely a really nice guy. I just sometimes think the media beat him up a bit, because he speaks very directly and says what he thinks without being subtle. Personally as you may have detected by my posts, I prefer that method of operation.
You have to remember how much stuff WG has done and seen and what parts of life and people he has had exposure to. Yeah he lived it up pretty much while living in Monaco for a while, and has only really recently, (last 7 years) started to really take his other business stuff more seriously and build a good solid financial foundation. Prior to that, I think he was enjoying himself too much with the car racing to really worry too much about anything else.
I see him in a very similiar way to Mick Doohans persona. He deadset is just another dry, down to earth Aussie bloke. Have a chat one day with him, when you are not being an annoying pest, and you may see what I have seen in him.
Doors always open at my place for him!
probably a good thing ur not a chick..wearing a wedding band tho mate...
he was my hero...until the whole "wife beating" thing came up..cant respect a guy who does that shit..as much as i talk like id hit a chick...
Mate you'd be too shit scared of her hitting you back
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rocketrod wrote:Just remember if it wasnt for wayne winning the world 500 gp championship we might not have any runners in it now.
He paved the way for all that followed into gps including Mick Doohan.
He did it the hard way and wasnt handed a ride like some of the johnny cum latelys.
What shit
Fair comment, but how do you back it up?
Hello there I was told your a nice friendly girl
with a kind face! & easy.......
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"GIZMO THE CREEKY"
Wayne one only one world championship then turned to car racing in which he couldnt even win any races but he did winge and moan how it was everyones fault but his. Doohan`s web site says nothing of wayne being a help. I really just think he is an over rated wife bashing tosser.
From Doohan`s site:
Mick Doohan (born 4.6.65) began riding motorcycles in 1974 at the age of nine when living in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
Soon after he began competing in off-road events. His first notable result was finishing runner-up in the Queensland 10-12 years championship. The Doohan family moved to the Gold Coast, 80km south of Brisbane, in 1981, and Michael made his road racing debut at Surfers Paradise International Raceway in 1984 at the age of 19 on a Yamaha RZ350.
In 1985 Doohan rode a Yamaha RZ500 to numerous outright and class wins, and in 1986-87 he was one of Australia's leading riders in the 250cc production class on a Yamaha TZR250.
Doohan's first major career breakthrough was in mid-1987 when he was offered a guest ride on a Marlboro Yamaha Dealer Team FZR750 in an Australian Superbike Championship meeting at Winton, Victoria. He finished fifth.
Soon after Japanese Yamaha dealer Kouzou Morinaga invited Doohan to make his international debut in the 1987 Suzuka Eight-Hour event on a Super Angel Racing Yamaha FZR750. In August 1987 Doohan raced into the limelight by finishing third on the Super Angel Racing Yamaha FZR750 in the Japanese round of the Formula One TT World Championship at Sugo in Japan.
By the end of 1987 Doohan had an impressive record of 26 wins from 57 starts in four years of road racing.
Those performances led to Doohan securing a fulltime berth in the Marlboro Yamaha Dealer Team in 1988. He had spectacular success, winning 16 times from 33 starts in Australia and Japan on Yamaha Formula One and superbike four-stroke machines.
His most notable victories of 1988 were in the inaugural World Superbike Championship. He won the second heat of the Japanese round of the series at Sugo, and both heats in Australia at Oran Park.
In Japan Doohan rode a factory Yamaha YZF750 Formula One machine to victory in the TBC Road Race at Sugo and the Mt Fuji Super Sprint. Not surprisingly, toward the end of 1988 Doohan fielded offers from Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki 500cc grand prix teams who were keen to secure his services for the 1989 world championship.
Doohan eventually joined Rothmans Honda for his debut year (1989) in the 500cc world championship. His team-mates were world champions Wayne Gardner of Australia and Eddie Lawson of the United States. In 1989 Doohan finished ninth in the 500cc world championship. His best result was third in the West German Grand Prix at Hockenheim. He missed three races that year because of finger injuries.
Doohan maintained his improvement in 1990 and finished his second year of 500cc grand prix racing with third position in the world championship behind Americans Wayne Rainey (Marlboro Team Roberts Yamaha) and Kevin Schwantz (Lucky Strike Suzuki).
The highlight of Doohan's 1990 campaign was his debut victory in the 500cc world championship in the Hungarian Grand Prix. He won by 25.442-seconds in what was his 26th 500cc start. Apart from winning in Hungary, Doohan had four other rostrum results in 1990 for top three finishes. He was second in the United States and Australia, and third in Italy and Austria.
Doohan confirmed his position among the top 500cc world championship riders in 1991 by finishing runner-up in the series behind Rainey. In 1991 Doohan had three 500cc grand prix victories, in Spain, Italy, and Austria. He finished on the rostrum 14 times from 15 starts in 1991, the most by any rider.
Doohan began the 1992 series in superb form, winning the first round in Japan by 28.298-seconds at Suzuka in wet weather. He also won the following three races in Japan, Australia, Malaysia, and Spain. Doohan raced to his fifth win in 1992 in the seventh round of the series at Hockenheim in Germany, and at that stage he led the world championship by 53 points.
In qualifying for the eighth round of the series, the Dutch Grand Prix at Assen, Doohan crashed and broke his right leg. He missed four races while recovering from the injury, and Rainey clinched the title in the final round in South Africa with 140 points to Doohan's 136.
During the off-season Doohan had corrective surgery on his right leg. His build-up to the 1993 season was set back when he broke a scaphoid bone in his left wrist in a crash when testing in Malaysia. Doohan began the 1993 championship well below full fitness. He had a restricted range of movement in his lower right leg which created difficulties when using the rear brake on his machine.
However, Doohan's results improved after a hand-operated rear braking system was fitted to his Rothmans Honda. He bounced back to form in the fifth round of the series in Austria, qualifying second and setting a lap record on the way to finishing second in the race.
In the following seven rounds of the championship Doohan finished on the rostrum for a top three finish five times. He won the San Marino Grand Prix at Mugello, finished second in Holland, Spain, and Italy, and was third in Czechoslovakia.
Doohan's 1993 season ended in the 13th and penultimate round at Laguna Seca in the United States, when he broke a collarbone in a crash when leading. He finished fourth overall in the world championship. At the end of 1993, Doohan's record in 500cc racing was 64 starts, 10 wins, 33 rostrum appearances for top-three results, and 15 pole positions.
Immediately after Doohan finished his 1993 racing commitments he underwent surgery in San Francisco to strengthen and straighten his right leg. He remained in the United States for four months for treatment.
Doohan began the 1994 world championship with third place in the Australian Grand Prix at Eastern Creek, followed by a win in Malaysia and second in Japan. He then won six successive grand prix races, in Spain, Austria, Germany, Holland, Italy, and France, followed by a second place in Britain.
Doohan clinched the world championship title for the first time when he won the 11th round of the 1994 series, the Czech Grand Prix at Brno. His victory left him with an unbeatable lead of 87 points with three races remaining.
Doohan completed 1994 with nine wins and a top-three podium finish in all 14 rounds. He was the first rider to achieve podium results in every championship round since Italian Giacomo Agostini in 1968. After the 1994 series, Doohan's 500cc record was 78 starts, 19 wins, 47 podium finishes, and 21 pole positions.
In 1995 Doohan began his world title defence in top form by winning the opening two rounds in Australia and Malaysia, and finishing second in Japan. He then crashed his Repsol Honda in Spain and Germany, and lost the lead in the championship to fellow-Australian Daryl Beattie.
Doohan bounced back and regained the championship lead by taking the chequered flag in the following four races in Italy, Holland, France, and Great Britain. He clinched the 1995 world championship title (his second in succession) by winning the 12th round of the series, the Argentina Grand Prix in Buenos Aires. At the end of the 1995 championship, Doohan's 500cc grand prix record was 26 wins and 57 top-three podium finishes from 91 starts, and 30 pole positions.
In 1996 Doohan claimed the 500cc title for the third successive year. He won eight of the 15 rounds, including four in succession in Spain, Italy, France, and the Netherlands, and had 12 podium finishes.
Doohan clinched the championship with his victory in the European Grand Prix at Catalunya. He won the title with a tally of 309 points. After Doohan completed his eighth successive year of grand prix racing in 1996, his record was 34 wins from 106 starts, 69 podium finishes, and 38 pole positions.
Doohan established himself among the all-time greats of 500cc racing in 1997 when he won the world championship for the fourth successive year. He joined Agostini and the late Mike Hailwood of Great Britain as the only riders to win four consecutive 500cc titles.
During the year Doohan also set a new record for the most number of wins in a 500cc season since the world championship began in 1949. He won 12 grand prix races breaking Agostini's record of 11 victories in 1972. Doohan's performances included 10 successive wins.
Doohan finished the year with an overall record of 121 starts in the 500cc world championship, with 46 wins, 83 podium finishes, and 50 pole positions as fastest qualifier.
In 1998 Doohan clinched his fifth successive 500cc world championship title by winning the Australian Grand Prix at Phillip Island, the 13th round of the series. He won eight grand prix races during the year, which boosted his career tally of 500cc victories to 54 from 135 starts since 1989.
Doohan began the 1999 world championship by finishing fourth in the opening round in Malaysia, and second in the following race in Japan. However, he suffered a broken right leg and shoulder, and left wrist, when he crashed his Repsol Honda at 200km/h at Jerez in qualifying for round three at Jerez in Spain.
He travelled to the United States immediately after the accident for corrective surgery in San Francisco, which included inserting two plates and 12 screws in his right leg, and a plate in his left forearm. Toward the end of the year he announced his retirement because of the injuries from his crash at Jerez.
After retiring from riding, Doohan has maintained an involvement in grand prix racing as General Manager of Racing for Honda Racing Corporation.
Hey Hammer, that response still sounds more personal than factual! Quoting Mick Doohans website for 348 paragraphs doesn't fool me. And the fact that Gardner only won one world championship doesn't prove that it had no effect on assisting other Aussies including Doohan into the GP's!
So any chance of having another go at answering Gizmo's question?
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" Hunter S. Thompson.
There are really only two questions in life. 1.Which way do i go? 2.What is the lap record?
Strika wrote:
So any chance of having another go at answering Gizmo's question?
Nar, guess its the same as you can`t come up with the proof he did such amazing things for the sport.
Only reason i quoted doohan was cause you would think he would pay his dues to someone that helped him so much
Noone said that Gardner Helped Doohan, I think what was said was that Gsrdner opened the way and may have made it easier. As well as making Australian riders visible on the world scene again. I was an adult thru that era, wtched all the GP's on tellie and went to most here in Oz. Followed both Garnder and Doohan and a few others locally and internationally. And without Gardner, I am of the belief that we would perhaps not have been as well regarded by the overseas teams otherwise.
I know that I had been looking for a Turkish rider to ride my WSS bike, and I couldn't find one till Sofogolou turned up
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" Hunter S. Thompson.
There are really only two questions in life. 1.Which way do i go? 2.What is the lap record?
That was exactly my point,i never compaired who was a better rider or anything like that,my point was,love him or hate him,Gardener put aussie riders on the map.I believe,no matter how good you think Doohan is,he may never have got a 500 gp ride if it wasnt for Gardener.Same goes for,magoo or any other aussie riders who were around at that time.
Dont take life too seriously,remember no one gets out alive!
rocketrod wrote:That was exactly my point,i never compaired who was a better rider or anything like that,my point was,love him or hate him,Gardener put aussie riders on the map.I believe,no matter how good you think Doohan is,he may never have got a 500 gp ride if it wasnt for Gardener.Same goes for,magoo or any other aussie riders who were around at that time.
Damn that wayne, no wonder I dont like him. If it werent for him I`d be flippin burgers at chew and spew with me mate mick
The first ever MotoGP Video I watched was a Gardner one..... He blew me away, in one of the races he has a horrible start and gets back 14 places in one corner..... I thought he was wicked.... Im a bigger Doohan fan, but Wayne was a fantastic rider...
Doohan had more natural ability in his little finger than Gardener had in his whole body,as Doohan knew how to set the bike up and what to tell his mechanics,but the thing i liked about Gardener is he always gave 100%.
If the bike handled like a shopping trolly(as Mr Sheen used to say)you would see Gardener sliding and the bike bucking,but you could see he was giving it his all.Thats not to say Doohan didnt,but because he usally had the bike set so dam good,he looked like he wasnt even trying half the time.A bit like Rossi when he was on the Honda,but now because the yamaha isnt as good,you can see he is really pushing and as a spectator i find this much more stimulating to watch.
Who could forget the 88/89 gps at phillip island,2 of the best races ive ever seen bar none and i have been watchin gps back when uncini and the like where racing.Got to give the man credit where credit is due.
As far as beating his wife,is that truth and from what source or just more media bullshit?
Dont take life too seriously,remember no one gets out alive!
hammer wrote:Wayne one only one world championship then turned to car racing in which he couldnt even win any races but he did winge and moan how it was everyones fault but his. Doohan`s web site says nothing of wayne being a help. I really just think he is an over rated wife bashing tosser.
I remember Wayne Gardner coming back from racing in the Japanese Championship & kicking everyone's arse's very easily in his Coke V8 supercars......
How can you say he was whinging about not doing well?
Hello there I was told your a nice friendly girl
with a kind face! & easy.......
signed
"GIZMO THE CREEKY"
rocketrod wrote:Doohan had more natural ability in his little finger than Gardener had in his whole body,as Doohan knew how to set the bike up and what to tell his mechanics,but the thing i liked about Gardener is he always gave 100%.
If the bike handled like a shopping trolly(as Mr Sheen used to say)you would see Gardener sliding and the bike bucking,but you could see he was giving it his all.Thats not to say Doohan didnt,but because he usally had the bike set so dam good,he looked like he wasnt even trying half the time.A bit like Rossi when he was on the Honda,but now because the yamaha isnt as good,you can see he is really pushing and as a spectator i find this much more stimulating to watch.
Who could forget the 88/89 gps at phillip island,2 of the best races ive ever seen bar none and i have been watchin gps back when uncini and the like where racing.Got to give the man credit where credit is due.
As far as beating his wife,is that truth and from what source or just more media bullshit?
Doohan was certainly talented, possibly the most talented. Even today I would rate him before Valentino. But Mick rode Hondas in part of Gardners era, and then continued. If you compare mick's results when they were riding the same kit, I would imagine Waynes were markedly better.
Doohan then continued on with Honda when Gardner retired, and developed himself alongside the evolving NSR. The bike Mick rode to his world championships were far from the evil handling peaky bikes that he and Gardner punted around. I would imagine even Mick would agree with this.
Often we look through rose coloured glasses at the past and who we liked often gets a more significant place in our memories, however go back and review the tapes if you have them. (I still got some. Saying tapes shows my age doesn't it. For you younger players Google the word VHS tape and it should have a description ) It may show how talented Gardner was. Personalities aside (as mick is just a great bloke as well as a riding god) Gardner was one amzingly talented and determined rider.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" Hunter S. Thompson.
There are really only two questions in life. 1.Which way do i go? 2.What is the lap record?
) It may show how talented Gardner was. Personalities aside (as mick is just a great bloke as well as a riding god) Gardner was one amzingly talented and determined rider.