Road toll...

[kaneg]

What i was really after is ATTITUDE or rather the lack of it. Recently I was listening to a radio program, topic was: what do you do if someone wants to merge into your lane? well.....8 out of 10 was saying something like speed up, no bastard is going to get in front of me or don't let them in etc... On the F3 between New Castle and Sydney it's unbelivable how many drivers are snoozing in the overtaking lanes. Why????????
The left lane is not even a consideration, as if it was below them to use it. Why????

Gee, I feel better already...

How would you explain hitting a roo ?

pretty roo-ted....

[Smitty]

the road toll...????

its caused coz
1) most of the population who have licences cannot drive a car
yep, they can steer it put it in gear put their foot on the brake
smoke in it drink in it talk on the phone in it
but they have a problem controlling 1500kgs of steel
Driver training?
only to get a piece of paper that allows you to legally turn the key
but handle a car?
don't make me laugh!

2) most people think their car is an extension of their
...kitchen, their bathroom, not something that can kill them
I have seen people in cars..have breakfast, shave, apply
makeup, do their hair, carry on a conversation
do anything
BUT concentrate on the task of driving ( and keeping out of a morgue)

3)our roads are shite and overcrowded
most roads in Oz are crap, wrong camber, shiny paint
poorly positioned road side furniture, WRBs (for kerrrist sake)

Even the newest road in Vic, the Geelong Freeway built to European standards
to allow travel up to 150kmh is rated at not 110
but ...100 coz its too busy too much traffic

Look at most of the country roads we ride on....poor surfaces
mismatched repair strips, no edge marking, poorly signed
and don't even think about that 100mm drop of the bitumen
onto the gravel verge.
Go there at speed and you will crash your bike
and
don't even start me on petrol tax v road spending

4) now speed..its gotta come in somewhere
SPEED KILLS!
'course it does coz our guvnmint tells us so
and it does!
a car travelling at 4kmh down a driveway
will kill any 3yo playing behind it
but
most people walk at least 4kmh
so why is speed a killer?

As our plod man Jase said ...inappropriate speed
or more properly put-
speed inappropriate for the circumstances
In my driveway example..the speed should be NIL
..not 4kmh until the kid moves

and with
speed inappropriate for the circumstances
NO speed camera will ever catch it!
a traffic cop in a car or on a bike might...just might
so the government has been fed the line of bull
that so called Road safety experts are giving
SPEED SPEED SPEED KILLS becoz that is the
easiest road safety issue to tackle


and me?
I undertake at my own expense..driver training
defensive driving and car control courses
I do not drink smoke and ask my missus...chat
when I am driving (the family can't stand that one..but stiff)
Riding a bike makes me very aware of poor roads
vision blocking poles and signs and I try to go
at a speed appropriate to the conditions

my 2c
but I have my reasons for my opinions
and my actions

[ZZRCHIKKY]

part of it would have to be bad road desighns ( were traffic lights are or arnt , roung abouts , trees , and in townsville there are 2 give way lines on every intersection one about 12 foot back from a visable point!)

and self importance < jap crap driving bogans and volvo mums

[Neka79]

ignorant drivers....

ignorant to those around them, to the rules set by the law, to the conditions, to their vehicles safety....mostly just ignorant ppl..

[z900/zx9]

Hyundys and hondas and bmw's, nokias not nessacarily in that order

[QLDZX6R]

Speed, well it must be true, that's what the government keeps telling us.....

That's right kiddies don't ride on drugs

[chameleon]

Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time.

For an isolated system, *Like a motorcycle* the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... eclaw.html

[ZZRCHIKKY]

Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time.

For an isolated system, *Like a motorcycle* the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... eclaw.html

ENGLISH PLEASE , i got a head ache just reading that

[photomike666]

Tailgating

[SCREAMIN9]

Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time.

For an isolated system, *Like a motorcycle* the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... eclaw.html

ENGLISH PLEASE , i got a head ache just reading that

At least it doesn't have any spelling mistakes to give ya a headache

[kaneg]

the road toll...????

its caused coz
1) most of the population who have licences cannot drive a car
yep, they can steer it put it in gear put their foot on the brake
smoke in it drink in it talk on the phone in it
but they have a problem controlling 1500kgs of steel
Driver training?
only to get a piece of paper that allows you to legally turn the key
but handle a car?
don't make me laugh!

2) most people think their car is an extension of their
...kitchen, their bathroom, not something that can kill them
I have seen people in cars..have breakfast, shave, apply
makeup, do their hair, carry on a conversation
do anything
BUT concentrate on the task of driving ( and keeping out of a morgue)

3)our roads are shite and overcrowded
most roads in Oz are crap, wrong camber, shiny paint
poorly positioned road side furniture, WRBs (for kerrrist sake)

Even the newest road in Vic, the Geelong Freeway built to European standards
to allow travel up to 150kmh is rated at not 110
but ...100 coz its too busy too much traffic

Look at most of the country roads we ride on....poor surfaces
mismatched repair strips, no edge marking, poorly signed
and don't even think about that 100mm drop of the bitumen
onto the gravel verge.
Go there at speed and you will crash your bike
and
don't even start me on petrol tax v road spending

4) now speed..its gotta come in somewhere
SPEED KILLS!
'course it does coz our guvnmint tells us so
and it does!
a car travelling at 4kmh down a driveway
will kill any 3yo playing behind it
but
most people walk at least 4kmh
so why is speed a killer?

As our plod man Jase said ...inappropriate speed
or more properly put-
speed inappropriate for the circumstances
In my driveway example..the speed should be NIL
..not 4kmh until the kid moves

and with
speed inappropriate for the circumstances
NO speed camera will ever catch it!
a traffic cop in a car or on a bike might...just might
so the government has been fed the line of bull
that so called Road safety experts are giving
SPEED SPEED SPEED KILLS becoz that is the
easiest road safety issue to tackle


and me?
I undertake at my own expense..driver training
defensive driving and car control courses
I do not drink smoke and ask my missus...chat
when I am driving (the family can't stand that one..but stiff)
Riding a bike makes me very aware of poor roads
vision blocking poles and signs and I try to go
at a speed appropriate to the conditions

my 2c
but I have my reasons for my opinions
and my actions

Thanks all of your efforts, guys. Exspecially Smitty, I know it's hard to talk about such frustrating topic. My wife and i went to Europr for 3.5 months in 2000 and enjoyed the courtesy and the ettitude of the drivers in Italy, France Germany Spain etc.. where you felt a lot safer between 130-200 kmh than here in between the 80-110kmh.
We are teaching our grand daughter (6) the meaning of polite and courtious, so that when she get's her licence one day she can apply it on the road.
Pete

[chameleon]

ENGLISH PLEASE , i got a head ache just reading that

Bikes crash, like cars crash, like plains crash, like birds crash, like meteors crash.

Trying to totally eradicate them is a no-brainer because it's the law of the universe and it's unavoidable. You can widen the roads, remove the armco, take the cars away and still have the same problem.

[ZZRCHIKKY]

ENGLISH PLEASE , i got a head ache just reading that

Bikes crash, like cars crash, like plains crash, like birds crash, like meteors crash.

Trying to totally eradicate them is a no-brainer because it's the law of the universe and it's unavoidable. You can widen the roads, remove the armco, take the cars away and still have the same problem.

in that case i agree

[TopCat]

Speed differential .... may be the same as inappropriate speed.

- cars don't see bikes as they are not expecting bikes to appear so fast;
- jostling for the same space on crowded roads (changing lanes / merging);
- coming up behind other vehicles at a faster rate of knots and heavy braking;
- frustration with drivers who persistently drive under the limit (I cross the Westgate bridge several times each day and I reckon that most cars / bikes cross at 70kmh rather than the allowed 80kmh as they don't trust their speedo / the accruacy of the greed cameras);

my 2.5c (thats inflation for you)
TC

[Smitty]

was out today
and nearly got cleaned up by a young female PPlater
who came out of Sth Melbourne Maccas drinking a coffee
and chatting on the phone...at the same time
I avoided her but how she did not hit the bloke behind me
I have no idea

a candidate for a funeral that one