What are your views?

Post by **MadKaw** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:06 pm

Ah yes but...

"Sceptrum erant vilis futurus infractus"

mike-s · Post by **mike-s** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:35 pm

Glen wrote:*snip stuff about were all the product of our own demise*

The deal breaker for me personally was a twat on a ride day who threatened to go me personally because he went out on the track without his helmet done up. Apparently he considered that my responsibility. I threw my hands up in the air, walked out at the end of the day and never instructed again.

That's just utter shit, whatever happened to personal responsibility?

A couple of things come to mind as examples of how much a coddled non personal responsible society were turning into.

America #1: guy breaks in, sues homeowner cuz he hurt himself on a knife or something and it was an unsafe area. In a sane world, the guy would have been laughed out of court and arseraped by bubba for 4 years.

America #2: idiot puts a HEAPS too much stuff on his gearsack rack, idiot sues manufacturer when he flips his bike over on its arse. idiot sends company bankrupt.

The sad thing is, australia is heading down the same avenues. And with idiots not accepting that their son was a fuckwit and killed himselff by way of stupidity with a 1200cc bike he wasn't capable of riding sensibly. People going Simpson-esque "wont somebody think of the children", and with serial pests like Harold Scruby, there is little wonder that speed limits are so anally enforced, and the wankers who 200km/h through that harbour tunnel utterly screw it for the rest of us.

mike-s · Post by **mike-s** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:51 pm

Here's another thought.

Scenario, you trip in the playground and sprain your ankle.
If it was....

The 1940s, you'd be more scared of your da belting you for hurting yourself than anything else, and you'd ignore the hurt unless it was a break.

1960-1990, your parents would tell you off for being a clumsy oaf and make sure you were ok, then send you outside again to play until dinnertime in 4 hours time.

within the last 4 years, you tell your parents, they cry blue murder, they sue the council for providing an unsafe playground environment, even though it was YOU jumping off the swing when it was 2 meters off the ground. Result? playgrounds closed down due to un-affordable insurance premiums. Then again most kids exercise is their thumbs, on their playstations, which is sad.

That's just one example. In the future and even now, i hate to think what it'll be like *ANYWHERE*.

I tells ya, the worlds stuffed.

diesel · Post by **diesel** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:32 pm

the problem is you can't legislate with civil law.
it's all case law.
all you need is one instance for someone to sue and win (possibly fair) and a precedent is set.

i'd love for it to turn on it's head and have judges sayin things like,
"Mr Kawalski." "You flipped you're R1."
"Stop cryin like a baby and learn to ride"
"it was your own stupid fault"

cos in reality, nothing is safe. Nothing.
because safety is relative.

unforunately, Mr Kawalski could probably sue Yamaha saying that the R1 is far too powerful for public roads and they were therefore negligent in selling them in australia. then we'd have no more R1s.
hmmmmmm... so maybe that wouldn't be that bad a thing.
but you get my point.

mike-s · Post by **mike-s** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:34 pm

true, but still there's been a significant downward spiral, both in the stupidity of civil lawsuits and legislated law.

z900/zx9 · Post by **z900/zx9** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:10 pm

Wanna slow things down

ok power to weight ratio only fat barstards can ride big bikes

so of to macdonalds to do your training to get your zx10

diesel · Post by **diesel** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:16 pm

this thread has given me a lot to think about.
i've come to a conclusion.

i can't change these things on my own, and most of the changes we want are too drastic to be changed and there are good reasons why they shouldn't be changed as well as why they should be changed so it is easier to not change them.

therefore,
when i think it's safe, i'm gonna ride how i want.
if i get busted, i'll cop it on the chin.

Glen · Post by **Glen** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:43 pm

diesel wrote:therefore,
when i think it's safe, i'm gonna ride how i want.
if i get busted, i'll cop it on the chin.

Pretty fair concept diesel and not one that many could argue with.

Life is all about decisions and consequences. We make decisions every day and every one of them has consequences, some good some bad. If we make a decision and it has shit consequences all we can do is cop it, learn from it and move on. If you get 80% of your decisions right your doing pretty well I think.

Neilp · Post by **Neilp** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:55 pm

diesel wrote:this thread has given me a lot to think about.
i've come to a conclusion.

i can't change these things on my own, and most of the changes we want are too drastic to be changed and there are good reasons why they shouldn't be changed as well as why they should be changed so it is easier to not change them.

therefore,
when i think it's safe, i'm gonna ride how i want.
if i get busted, i'll cop it on the chin.

Yep and life is short so play hard!!!!!!!!!!!

This has been a very interesting discussion to date, some interesting ideas. The way I see it, if we are all responsible for our own actions and ride sensibly (within reason) then we should all "live long and prosper"

Neil

kellz · Post by **kellz** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:07 pm

this topic has generated some great discussion.

i just dont know where to start.

both sides have encouraged some critical thinking as to MY riding style and choices.

lets say i have never been so aware of my actions on the bike as i have been in the last few days.

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:26 pm

kellz wrote:this topic has generated some great discussion.

i just dont know where to start.

both sides have encouraged some critical thinking as to MY riding style and choices.

lets say i have never been so aware of my actions on the bike as i have been in the last few days.

yea ...i agree...wonder if this will make me ride sensibly?? or abide by the laws?? or whinging when i get caught....????

aardvark · Post by **aardvark** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:02 am

MadKaw wrote:Ah yes but...

"Sceptrum erant vilis futurus infractus"

I don't know about that. I think it's probably the only reasonable solution they currently have.

Strika · Post by **Strika** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:03 am

I travel around Oz almost every week for work, so have experienced, roads and drivers from every state and capital city in Oz at numerous times over the last 15 years. I recently returned from 5 days in Sufers and Noosa, and travelled around by car while there. It reminded me of how bad on the whole Queensland drivers actually are. And I mean bad in a lot of respects.

Whatever the process is up there to educate drivers?....It's not working. It has to be the most frustrating state In Oz to drive in. I pity you poor QLD riders who have to put up with those imbecilic tin top drivers on a daily or weekly basis. I have never seen more ignorant or less understanding drivers anywhere in the country!!!!

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:14 am

Strika mate, in Noosa and Surfers over any holiday period, most of the drivers are fraggin tourists in Qld plated hire cars. Noosa is especially bad as the tourists don't seem to be able to come to grips with all the roundabouts. Lived there long enough to know...

mohawk miss · Post by **mohawk miss** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:55 am

Friends in Queanbeyan tell me Canberra is like that too...