QLD: 2nd speeding offence in 2 yrs = double points.

[zbeast]

If speed is such a bad thing then why not fit GPS equipped speed limiters to every vehicle....new and old. Just have to plot the speed limit changes and the limiter takes care of the rest. Newer cars with traction control and abs could even slow you down when you get to a lower speed area. The penalty for a non functioning limiter is instant confiscation of the vehicle. The logic is if we can't speed then we must be safe. If you also used it for sat nav it would also remove one of the other causes of accidents especially in the city where morons are too busy reading the street directory rather than looking at the road.

Yes it would cost a significant amount of money to retrofit to all existing vehicles but think of all of the saved wages from the redundant highway patrol as well as the anti speeding campaigns that no longer have to run.

[Gosling1]

If speed is such a bad thing then why not fit GPS equipped speed limiters to every vehicle....new and old. Just have to plot the speed limit changes and the limiter takes care of the rest. Newer cars with traction control and abs could even slow you down when you get to a lower speed area. The penalty for a non functioning limiter is instant confiscation of the vehicle. The logic is if we can't speed then we must be safe. If you also used it for sat nav it would also remove one of the other causes of accidents especially in the city where morons are too busy reading the street directory rather than looking at the road.

Yes it would cost a significant amount of money to retrofit to all existing vehicles but think of all of the saved wages from the redundant highway patrol as well as the anti speeding campaigns that no longer have to run.

Well, the bad news is that in Britain, the *boffins* are looking at exactly this system right now, for modern vehicles ( ie those with computer-controlled fuel injection systems).

The reality of your vehicle's computer being controlled by a GPS satellite is not that far away.......but only if your vehicle has its engine management system controlled by microchip......

For those of us with flat-slide Keihins or smooth-bore 33mm CR carbies on our *old* bikes ... , or tunnel-rammed 350 Chev's with 750 pumper Holleys, well ain't life grand........

[zbeast]

For those of us with flat-slide Keihins or smooth-bore 33mm CR carbies on our *old* bikes ... , or tunnel-rammed 350 Chev's with 750 pumper Holleys, well ain't life grand........

Yes but its fairly easy to interupt the spark....no spark....no bang....no speed

[Gosling1]

...Yes but its fairly easy to interupt the spark....no spark....no bang....no speed

how ? Coil ignition systems don't use any computer assistance at all. Its not like they could or would fit a computer to cars/bikes that don't currently have one, this type of modification would be fitted to new vehicles during manufacture, and eventually, most vehicles would be able to be monitored/tracked via GPS satellite...... The poms are apparently working towards introduction of this within 5 years !!! FFS (on new cars only of course.)

[Neka79]

hopefully sum1 will design a fake chip to deliver incorrect info..kinda like they do with foxtel..so that all the good ppl will abide, all the assholes (who probably desreve this kinda thing) avoid it...

as for me...ill just keep my "old" vehicles...

Mr Police man Aardvark-
out of curiousity Aardy..that comparison u did with accident rate per capita...can u find germany?? the country with the autobahn (and apparently much nicer drivers) would be a nice comparisson...

[ninja9]

hopefully sum1 will design a fake chip to deliver incorrect info..kinda like they do with foxtel..so that all the good ppl will abide, all the assholes (who probably desreve this kinda thing) avoid it...

as for me...ill just keep my "old" vehicles...

Mr Police man Aardvark-
out of curiousity Aardy..that comparison u did with accident rate per capita...can u find germany?? the country with the autobahn (and apparently much nicer drivers) would be a nice comparisson...

Having lived in germany for 8 yrs, I seem to remember that their fatality rates were better than the UK with their 110 kph (70mph) speed limits. I believe the major problem is tailgating, and not speeding. The Krauts were so disciplined with lane discipline that as soon as you closed in on them (ie travelling faster than them) they moved into the slower lane (only 2 lanes) and therefore no problem. This included seeing Ferrari F40s and Testarossas pretty much flat out Oh and a couple oh Kwakas

[zbeast]

how ? Coil ignition systems don't use any computer assistance at all. Its not like they could or would fit a computer to cars/bikes that don't currently have one, this type of modification would be fitted to new vehicles during manufacture, and eventually, most vehicles would be able to be monitored/tracked via GPS satellite...... The poms are apparently working towards introduction of this within 5 years !!! FFS (on new cars only of course.)

Coil systems may not use any computer assistance but they still need power to fire. If they are going to fit a gps blackbox it wouldn't be too much extra effort to install a switch in the power circuit to the coil like the kill switch on the handlebar of your bike. I have thought about this fairly seriously but don't honestly think the government would implement it because every vehicle could be tracked and the civil libertarians would be up in arms.

[zbeast]

hopefully sum1 will design a fake chip to deliver incorrect info..kinda like they do with foxtel..so that all the good ppl will abide, all the assholes (who probably desreve this kinda thing) avoid it...

With the gps they can tell how fast you are going and send the police to where ever you stop to confiscate your vehicle.

[Neka79]

hopefully sum1 will design a fake chip to deliver incorrect info..kinda like they do with foxtel..so that all the good ppl will abide, all the assholes (who probably desreve this kinda thing) avoid it...

With the gps they can tell how fast you are going and send the police to where ever you stop to confiscate your vehicle.

ill just turn my gps upside down & they will go the wrong way!!

[kellz]

well i just read all of that...

ok yes speed is an issue, yes it does kill, if something ghoes wrong, mainly because your reaction time is teh same, but the distance you travel befroe you react is greatly increased, then your stopping distance is also increased..

but in relation to teh double points, yeh it would be a small deterant, but many woudl still live in the fantasy world of "only if i get caught" and ofcourse we all know it isnt speeding if you dont get a ticket... not.

we all do it, sometimes we do it without knowing, how many times have you been in the zone looked at your speedo and gone fark....i do it most days im out riding..


some how i dont see how double points for multiple offences will reduce road toll. especially on QLd's roads.

i have been driving for 5 years and never been caught speeding, never had an accident, never caused an accident. but that doesnt make me a good driver, nor does it mean i shoudl get extra prioviligaes.. as my mum got done 3 time sin teh one week, by different cops in the same street, which was not signposted.

[aardvark]

out of curiousity Aardy..that comparison u did with accident rate per capita...can u find germany?? the country with the autobahn (and apparently much nicer drivers) would be a nice comparisson...

In 2003 it was sitting at 8 per 100,000.

However, the majority of Germany's highways and autobahns are triple lanes each way with a big diving strip surrounded by armco in the middle.

As mentioned elsewhere, the Germans are extremely polite and corteous on the roads. Some road users in Aus. take it upon themselves to regulate traffic. If they see faster vehicles coming up, they'll change lanes in front of them, they'll speed up to stop people getting into their lane etc etc. From first hand experience, this sort of behaviour happens very rarely in .de

[wags]

"Last year, speeding contributed to more than 20 per cent of the state's road deaths, said Mr Lucas."

...which means it was probably like 21 or 22%. Based on the exposure and attention given to speeding by the media and government, one may think that it accounts for > 90%, but of course it doesn't. There are many factors that can contribue to an accident.

I don't like these new rules, it's just another small step for the govt to tighten its grip on our civil liberties. What's going to be the next change in the rules in order for them to be more "effective"? Where does it end? Ppl have already mentioned GPS monitoring and automatic speed limiting.

I'm interested in the history of speed limits. When was, e.g., 100km/h chosen as the "standard" highway speed across australia? How was it chosen? Did they just decide that 100km was fast enough?

I love my bike, and as with most of the other forum's members bikes, it pisses all over any speed limit. What gets me is statements such as "All speeding is dangerous", "Speed kills" etc when used with arbitrary speed limits set by the government. You can't quantify how much more dangerous 110km/h is vs 100km/h, its impossible, but ur speeding, no matter what the condition of the road or weather, the skill level, physical state,mental awareness and reaction of the driver and those that share the road around him/her, the mechanical and operational capabilities of the vehicle, the risk (or lack of) to other drivers and pedistrians based on location... ur pinged, ur a dangerous idiot, ur penalised, that's it.

[ZZRCHIKKY]

i was tould when doing my learners course in tasmania that a motocycle could do at least twise the advised speed on corners . . .

. . . ( the instructor is no longer an instructor). . .


. . . but the point is its true , motocycles can do a safe speed that is faster than other vechels ( but maybe not twise lol )

[aardvark]

a motocycle could do at least twise the advised speed on corners . . .

+ 10

[Felix]

i was tould when doing my learners course in tasmania that a motocycle could do at least twise the advised speed on corners . . .
. . . but the point is its true , motocycles can do a safe speed that is faster than other vechels ( but maybe not twise lol )

I often punt our Renault Clio and my Golf at WAY more than the advisory limits...double is not unheard of...depends on exactly which bit of road, what the weather is like, etc...

But it is easier on a bike as you have a lot more room to move - you can easily make tight car corners into so what bike corners...