Bike instructor

chameleon · Post by **chameleon** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:52 pm

red_dave wrote:That's a really easy road to speed on...

However at those speeds, it would be totally deliberate.

What a wanker.

Yes, probably that new overpass section, always a speed gun thereabouts. A beautiful set of sweepers with nice friendly concrete retainers to keep all the bike parts traveling neatly along together. 180 in the suburbs? Wanker!

Stace · Post by **Stace** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:55 pm

Rossi wrote:farkin hypocrits the lot of ya

Are you insinuating we speed Rossi???

bonester · Post by **bonester** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:57 pm

Not real bright but I feel sorry for the guy.
Could be easily in the same situation- but I wouldn't do 180km/h in a 80 zone near civilisation though...
Excessive but I can feel his pain. Way too busy where he was to go flying and apparently near a police station.

120km/h there would blow your licence- and it is a pretty open, wide road with clear visibility if it is where I am thinking- near the BP at Browns Plains?
Bet he feels pretty foolish.

chameleon · Post by **chameleon** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:57 pm

Rossi wrote:farkin hypocrits the lot of ya

true! Your only a Wanker if your caught, otherwise your a "Bike God"

bonester · Post by **bonester** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:13 pm

Not only will he lose his licence- he will lose his instructor's accreditation and he may not be able to get that back....Wonder who he work(ed) for?

mick_dundee · Post by **mick_dundee** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:19 pm

Heard about this through an email list. The bloke had just finisged watching Dumb and Dumber and decided he was good enough to play both parts

the kid · Post by **the kid** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:31 pm

Rossi wrote:farkin hypocrits the lot of ya

Agreed

There is an 80k zone near where Yoda lives that has limited side access (1 court) 5 lanes wide and at around 8am on any Sunday morning if you had turned onto this section with the traffic lights there are zero cars and it could possibly be good for 240kph and still have enough road to be stationary at the lights at the next intersection .

Or so I have heard .

Tones · Post by **Tones** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:37 pm

I think some people have perhaps been guilty of a rush of adrenalin at some time or another. Of course it is only ever in a controlled off road environment. To be honest I think the conditions are more so of a factor. Not to dismiss the conduct of this person mentioned in the article at all. However sometimes a road may have a posted speed limit and it may seem like a silly speed. The opposite can also be true when the conditions are so that a lower speed should be used. For example a road with a posted speed of say 100 km/h may be very dangerous at that speed due to fog, or strong cross winds, etc, etc.

Of course it is bad publicity for riders, but more so cause he is an instructor and so "should know better" or even worse "what is this person teaching new riders to do?"

I wonder what happens if say a cop were to break the law? Having known facts about incidents I have seen that sometimes matters arnt released to the press, and have been handled by "internal disiplanary measures". One comes to mind to which if it was a member of the public, they would have been jailed. They were only disiplined as the air wing was involved, otherwise would have been easier to sweep under the carpet.

I guess what I am trying to say is that at the end of the day we are all human, and may possibly make mistakes. Many a time our enthusiasm takes over our sense of reasoning. For instructors here in Victoria, if they loose their licence they are not allowed to administer licence or learner tests. So in effect they are out of a job whilst suspended/cancelled. I have heard of other instructors pre-signing the paperwork, so that the instructor whom has lost their licence can still work. It would in fact be worse if this person had another occupation such as a courier for example.

I may be going against the grain here, but instructors shoudl also be motorcyclists. If they are not then obviously they do not have any credibility. I can preach to a student and tell them X,Y and Z and know full well they will do the complete opposite. The messages get across a lot better if you can speak from experience and what you have learnt. This guy sounds like a drop kick however...

Cheers

bonester · Post by **bonester** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:53 pm

I may be going against the grain here, but instructors shoudl also be motorcyclists. If they are not then obviously they do not have any credibility.

Dead right! That is why the quality of Q-Ride assessment varies so much between service providers- one instructor here hasn't owned a bike in over 20 years! Another in this area is just in it for the money and passes everyone whether they can ride well or not.....doesn't even test all competencies....

Tones · Post by **Tones** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:33 pm

bonester wrote:
I may be going against the grain here, but instructors shoudl also be motorcyclists. If they are not then obviously they do not have any credibility.
Dead right! That is why the quality of Q-Ride assessment varies so much between service providers- one instructor here hasn't owned a bike in over 20 years! Another in this area is just in it for the money and passes everyone whether they can ride well or not.....doesn't even test all competencies....

That is a bit poor. In victoria all instructors get retested for riding ability and testing accuracy every two years (well it is spose to be every 2 years). Vic roads also require that instructors have a bike registered in their name (which means I can claim mine on tax...yeppiieee). In July an external company will do Vic Roads auditing on providers, so they will be looking to justify their contract. On the plus side it means bad providers will have to lift their game, on the downside, really good providers will have to fit "the standard".

Cheers

wazza1234 · Post by **wazza1234** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:02 pm

bonester wrote:
Another in this area is just in it for the money and passes everyone whether they can ride well or not.....doesn't even test all competencies....

hmmm...I wonder who you are talkign about

Maybe the guy who passed me..you dont need to say anything.

EDIT

any he didnt explicidly test ANY of the competencies with the group I was with...and now I am licenced to go out and ride anything I want...not that I would.

bonester · Post by **bonester** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:13 pm

Hmmmmmmmmm been very careful not to bite the hand that feeds me, but it has gone beyond a joke- passed someone this week who had barely ridden- I had just got them to the stage where they could ride around the block...now they have a full, unrestricted licence with no experience and very little training. She was a friend of his wife....
Needed at least 6-8 more hours of training before being considered ready for the test. Just fucking dangerous. Can't get away quick enough from this situation.....

wazza1234 · Post by **wazza1234** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:22 pm

and I suppose they now own a busa and think they are king shit.

Honestly I am glad I went a 250 to begin with, despite being able to ride bigger. I love my bike...if only it would STOP raining!!!! And my ear infection clear up....grrrr..

bonester · Post by **bonester** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:27 pm

Hmmmmmmmm there is a lot to be said about the NSW system huh! Great idea to buy a 250 first, and I'm sure you're laughing all the way to the bank in the running costs too!
If they bought a Busa they would be in SERIOUS trouble.

I hope a LAMS type system eventuates in QLD. Q-Ride is good if applied correctly (i.e. test the competencies) but it still falls way short of the mark. There's no susbtitute for experience either.

varden · Post by **varden** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:52 pm

hey....wait a minute

The guy that i did my Q-ride test with is based in Calamvale...

He seemed so sensible, he called me suicidal within an hour of meeting me.

but i still passed at the end of the day.....mmmmmwauhahahahahahaha!!!!!