I wanna 10!

[photomike666]

As mentioned, I have the ZX10R (05 model)... I would have prefered to have bought an 05 ZX6R...... the ZX6Rs are awesome..... and promote good use of the throttle... I think you lose a lot of education if you step straight to a 10.... I think people turn into "point and shoot" riders.... rather than being good at cornering.... Just my humble opinion ofcourse.

Are you serious mate, you not enjoying the new 10?

Kristy, it seems you have made a descision, but take into account not only power and weight, but where the power is in the rev range. The 250 has most of its power high in the rev range, the 6 is mainly high, but more in the mid range. The ten has plenty of power from quite low down. I never had any issues with the six in any weather, spread over some 70,000km. In the first 4000km on the ten I'd had the 10 sideways three times, non at high revs and one simply changing lane in the wet (Ask Stereo, he was behind me). When you find the power of the ten, you really find it. Expect wheelies to happen unexpectdly and wheel spin where you didn't think you gave it that much.

[Kristy]

In the first 4000km on the ten I'd had the 10 sideways three times, non at high revs and one simply changing lane in the wet (Ask Stereo, he was behind me). When you find the power of the ten, you really find it. Expect wheelies to happen unexpectdly and wheel spin where you didn't think you gave it that much.

I can't wait, that sounds like fun

[Benno]

Fun and dead are two completely different things. Mike's been riding for years, along with most of the people who've tried to give you advice. I'd back him in to be able to "sense" what the bike is doing, and counter it. For someone of your limited experience, I doubt you'd be able to do the same.

Wanting a bike because it "looks good" or because it's one of many you can touch the ground on, isn't a real reason to purchase in my opinion. But hey, it's your money, and your life, so who am I to tell you what to buy

[jewjew]

Kristy,

I do hope you take some of this advise, i could roll the ZZR600 up to 240 quite easily and the power wasn't difficult until after 220. 636 will run even better than a ZZR (in fact they don't compare). Ride some nice corners on a 600, feel how they turn, they are far easier than a thou, less to insure, fast as if you want them to be,rarely get headshakes, keep the front wheel down unless you ask nicely,and you will probably never use one to it's full potential on the road or the track.

A little f%$# up on a 1000 can leave you in a whole lot of trouble

No-one is saying you shouldn't get a ten at all, we are all saying you should progress.

At present i ride a new Z750 and it has improved my riding style 200%, I rarely see over 6000 rpm but still get far more power than i need, I don't know if i will ever want to progress any further as i find this bike to be very user friendly.......lost my kishy strips on putty last week.

Buy a good quality second hand 600 or 636, use it for 6 months to a year and find out how you feel about it at the same time do some courses or just ride a heap. At the end of it you will have saved some more money for the 1000 and will probably not lose a cent on your 600 when you sell it ( if done wisely).

No-one is trying to say the are better than you or discriminate in any way, it's just that it took a while to get 1500 members on KSRC and no-one likes rider down posts.

Also, i know of three or more riders who have realised that a 1000 is just too much for the street and have found them awkward, decided they should move back and are actively looking for 600's and 750's right now...............even racing is dropping to an 800 class, they are just more user friendly.

[I-K]

my advice... what ever u get..insure the bloody thing...

a mate of mine went out for a ride today with his bro in law ... his bro in law threw down his 05 gsxr600 at slow speed....
"its not too bad , shouldnt cost him too much" my mate said... apparently he has damaged

rhs fairings
rhs ductail
rhs peg and brake lever
aftermarket can
nose fairing needs repainting
tank *may* have damage (minimal tho)
rhs indicators

things that these guys wont kno (they are young, on 1st big bikes for less than 3 months) are whether shit like

forks
bar (clip on)
frame
subframe
swingarm
etc are damaged...

i reckon just with the parts listed, without touching the tank, he wont get away with much change from $2k.... wonder what his insurance would of been??

Chances are, between the excess and the premium hike which'd follow him around for the next five years as a result of his having made a claim, a fair bit more than that. And that's in Adelaide, where insurance seems to be *a*lot* cheaper than further east. In Sydney, insurance companies hand out quotes to young riders on sportsbikes on the principle of, "Let's see who's stupid enough to pay a premium in the amount if 60% of the bike's market value."

This seems to be all beside the point, though, because, if he's young, on his first bike and has been riding for less than three months, then he'll be on a restricted license, meaning he'll have been riding the GSX-R600 illegally, meaning that, if he'd managed to scam insurance for a bike he's not supposed to have been riding, if he then went and made a claim, he'd've had two choices:

a) lie to the insurance company about what happened and hope they don't find out, or
b) have the insurance company tell him to go swivel if he tells them the truth.

Mind you, what this story proves, yet again, is what I keep going blue in the arse about whenever a n00b says, "I rode my CBR250 down the shops 2wice & revd t out @ lights cuz there was an Excel wit 4 girlz n it nxt 2 me. Im rdy 4 a big bike now. Should I get a brand-nu R1 or GSX-R1000..." and asks for a pat on the head as reassurance that they're doing the right thing...

...n00b spends large sum of money on near-new sportsbike, n00b throws aforementioned near-new sportsbike down the road due to a n00b mistake, tears ensue when cost and complexity of repairs hits home. This is why, if someone's being logical about the whole thing, their first big bike should be between eight and ten years old. Pennies to buy, just as fast as anything more modern in a n00b's clueless hands, and the cost of repairs after the inevitable n00b-mistake drop is non-existent. A gentle stack is fixed with cable ties and gaffer tape; if the crash is proper one, then, congratulations, you've just scored yourself a trackbike, and it's only cost as much as some cosmetic repairs on a current model.

[I-K]

Nana says ...... Buy what ever you can afford to insure fully comprehensive.

For a lot of people under the age of 40, applying that principle would see them taking the bus. I still get quotes for premiums in the amount of 20-25% of a bike's market value. That's not value for money.

My version of "don't have your imagination write cheques your reality can't cash" is, "Buy what you can afford to repair."

...and, yes, I find the concept of people with a month of riding under their belt shopping aloud for brand-new litre sportsbikes mildly irritating.

[Kristy]

...and, yes, I find the concept of people with a month of riding under their belt shopping aloud for brand-new litre sportsbikes mildly irritating.

... well I-K, I find it "mildly" entertaining that you have taken it to heart
I'm VERY sensible when I ride, I bought really good quality full leathers etc before I bought my bike. I listen to the advice that I get, I am looking into rider training and I am doing everything I can to become a better rider. I have no disillusions of being good enough to go flat out on a 10. The physical size and weight of the 10 suits my build and the type of riding that I plan to do, contrary to the belief of some, I consider these a FEW of the crucial factors when selecting the right bike. The power issue is one that I have considered extensivley and believe that with carful riding, I can grow with. I will be careful on what ever bike I end up with. I have no intention of buying a brand new bike either and have never suggested that.

[Neka79]

...and, yes, I find the concept of people with a month of riding under their belt shopping aloud for brand-new litre sportsbikes mildly irritating.

... well I-K, I find it "mildly" entertaining that you have taken it to heart
I'm VERY sensible when I ride, I bought really good quality full leathers etc before I bought my bike. I listen to the advice that I get, I am looking into rider training and I am doing everything I can to become a better rider. I have no disillusions of being good enough to go flat out on a 10. The physical size and weight of the 10 suits my build and the type of riding that I plan to do, contrary to the belief of some, I consider these a FEW of the crucial factors when selecting the right bike. The power issue is one that I have considered extensivley and believe that with carful riding, I can grow with. I will be careful on what ever bike I end up with. I have no intention of buying a brand new bike either and have never suggested that.

after making the comment about "i cant wait to get one" when Mike mentioned rear wheel spin... well... typical newbie talk, which ussually ends in tears or pain...

i reckon the jump form a 250 to anything bigger than 600/750 is pretty silly no matter who or how good u are...

[wisc]

yep, its no good arguing with her, her BF went straight from a 250 didn't ride for a number of months then grabbed himself a 12, Ross has a way of convincing people to buy things (that they may actually want!), ash with a baby blade instead of a postie, Steve on his black bird, me on the nine, Kristy with the supra and now with the 10, LOL. I'm not saying its a bad thing, it just happens!
I also agree with the point and shoot mentality. I probably would have considered a six if i could get a straight swap for a nine a few months down the track, but having to buy transfer and sell buy transfer again isn't the most pleasant of ideas. now that i have a bigger bike i don't have to think/worry about upgrading.

now that said, some of the best advice i got was when in doubt get the bigger bike.

its pretty well known the sixes have there power band up high which is fine if you want to be flogging your bike to make it go fast all the time. its just nice to know cruising along i don't need to flick down a few gears to get a decent amount of power. just a little squirt of fuel and your where you need to be.
i also think with the bigger bikes they demand respect and because people are more afraid they do get the respect the sixes deserve but often miss out on.

i did drag a 636 at the lights a few times he got the jump on me and managed to pull ahead for the first few seconds.(after that it was all over though) so if you know how to ride they do go fast enough.
I'm pretty happy with my nine, and the only reason i would look to swap would be to get a newer bike and to get an injected bike for that smoother power curve.

I guess what it all comes down to though is wrist control, i was scared to get a bigger bike cause i thought i wouldn't be able to control it. but its simple, DON'T TWIST YOUR WRIST SO MUCH!

[wisc]

my advice... what ever u get..insure the bloody thing...

a mate of mine went out for a ride today with his bro in law ... his bro in law threw down his 05 gsxr600 at slow speed....
"its not too bad , shouldnt cost him too much" my mate said... apparently he has damaged

rhs fairings
rhs ductail
rhs peg and brake lever
aftermarket can
nose fairing needs repainting
tank *may* have damage (minimal tho)
rhs indicators

things that these guys wont kno (they are young, on 1st big bikes for less than 3 months) are whether shit like

forks
bar (clip on)
frame
subframe
swingarm
etc are damaged...

i reckon just with the parts listed, without touching the tank, he wont get away with much change from $2k.... wonder what his insurance would of been??

i think thats even a bit cheap just for second hand parts let alone painting etc, for my side fairing alone painted kawa wanted 800 bux, thats for 1 pannel! wrecker wanted about 150 for the gear shifter assembly. ductails are stupidly priced too. to have a professional do it would easy cost a few more kay on top of that. i cant believe how expensive it all is! at least she has a BF that can do it all for her!

tell you what owning cars/bikes you learn how to do the repairs pretty quickly!

[I-K]

...and, yes, I find the concept of people with a month of riding under their belt shopping aloud for brand-new litre sportsbikes mildly irritating.

... well I-K, I find it "mildly" entertaining that you have taken it to heart

It was a general throwaway comment, brought about by having too many group rides terminate in chainsmoking by the side of the road waiting for the ambulance to arrive and scrape up the n00b who stuck his new litre bike into the bushes...

I'm VERY sensible when I ride...

Not knowing anything about you apart from what you post, I can neither disbelieve nor believe that to be objectively true... the flipside of what I told you right at the start of the thread; just as you can't be sure anyone who responds to your request for opinions knows what they're talking about, I can't be sure your assesment of your own riding is realistic. See what I mean?

You *want* a $12,000, 195kg sportsbike with 155hp at the wheel as your first bike after you come off your restrictions, just as I wanted a $16,000, 205kg, 135hp one when I was in your position. It definitely wasn't the smartest, most rational thing for me to do then (even if circumstances made me wait an extra year and a half), and it's not the smartest, most rational thing for you to be doing now. No point trying to rationalise it as being lower in the seat than the ZX6 and whatnot. Just buy the damn thing when the time comes and see what happens...

[Neka79]

now that said, some of the best advice i got was when in doubt get the bigger bike.

its pretty well known the sixes have there power band up high which is fine if you want to be flogging your bike to make it go fast all the time. its just nice to know cruising along i don't need to flick down a few gears to get a decent amount of power. just a little squirt of fuel and your where you need to be.
i also think with the bigger bikes they demand respect and because people are more afraid they do get the respect the sixes deserve but often miss out on.

u have a 9??

keep in mind, that the 9 u have has abt 130hp and weighs in close to 190kg wet....thats if its a 99 on...

the 05/06 636 has abt 120hp and weighs in at abt 175kg or so wet....

the zx10 has in comparison 155hp and weighs abt 175kg wet??

im over being rational... her money, her choice...

but dont try to convince ppl that ur doing it for "this" reason or "that" reason... be honest with ppl (and urself)..ur getting it COS U WANT IT...

[Nanna10r]

When a Female freind recently upgraded from a her 5 month old 900km gpx250 to an hER6F. (She didn't loose a dime on it they sold it as a demo & she was happy she got the 250 first) well anyway Janelle was getting me to hold tailsections while she rocked the new models off the side stand to see what she could reach the ground on. To her surprise she wanted the new gumby - 07 10r as well as it was lower at the seatheight. I said SURE as long as you keep the zxr400 for trackdays & i can disconnect 2 sparkplugs on the gumby.

We haven't been back to put a deposit on it, but we have talked about her to riding my "Crim" 04 10r when i change the rear spring "softer one thanks Barra" & lower the ride height to suit my Hulking Mass.

I think your mature attitude displayed in the above replies will probably see have many years, giggles & brown undies on the "crim".... But there's no guarantee's in life & Girls tend not to bounce as well as boys for some reason. so 2 more tiny things to consider.
If it's an 04-05 I'd re3commend a steering dampner (as they did.nt have one as OEM.
And Wiscy as much as i love the 9, it ain't anywhere near a "crim" when it comes to riding one. A 9r will make an ordinary rider look good, feel confident & even bail you out of trouble(tiggr did may he rest in pieces) - Crim's make a very competent riders come unstuck in a blink of an eye.
Safe & happy Test riding to ya ALL

[Kristy]

yep, its no good arguing with her, her BF went straight from a 250 didn't ride for a number of months then grabbed himself a 12, Ross has a way of convincing people to buy things (that they may actually want!), ash with a baby blade instead of a postie, Steve on his black bird, me on the nine, Kristy with the supra and now with the 10, LOL. I'm not saying its a bad thing, it just happens!

Wisc, you have to qualify this statement with some background information, so that people know why Ross is so influencial. You have known Ross for a long time and can vouch that he is very knowlegable with bikes. Ross has read just about everything written on just about every bike, even the slow, ugly ones . People come to him and ask him for advice when they are chosing their bike because they know he will consider all factors to suggets a bike that will suit the riders needs and tastes. Ross has never regretted his decision to jump straight onto his 12. All of the people who have bought the bike Ross has suggested they buy, are very happy with their bikes and are gratefull for his help. I'm sure you will agree as you are one of them, the Supra and your 9

[ross79]

Now's a good time to mention that I'm not trying to talk you into buying a 10