Free Advanced rider training (with a catch)

[Kishy]

Dude you speak as if the money was taken out of your own pocket.

It is coming outta my pocket bro..

Where else do you fink the Government is getting the money from?
By raiding the Royal fucken Australian Mint of their spare coins?

Ya either a tax payer who has no fucken idea or another bloody dole
bludger who I support

[greeny]

Dude you speak as if the money was taken out of your own pocket.

It is coming outta my pocket bro..

Where else do you fink the Government is getting the money from?
By raiding the Royal fucken Australian Mint of their spare coins?

Ya either a tax payer who has no fucken idea or another bloody dole
bludger who I support

Guess I must just be another dole bludger that you support who is allowed to do courses for defence personal.

I was implying that has your life been directly affected by the government spending that money?
No. Of course it hasn’t and neither has mine.
Yeah you can argue that the money could have been spend on other things. But this is true of every decision the government makes.
It all depends on your personal point of view.

Considering it can take $250,000+ to train even a non technical person in the ADF, spending $1.9m on training that might save some ones life is not that bad.

But what would I know after all you have pointed out that I have no farken idea.
I'm kettle by the way. You must be pot

[Benny]

I have been busy and havent had a chance to post.

Well lets look at the benifits I get as a Leading Seaman i am on a base sallary of $43,000 plus $9,500 service allowance PLUS tier 3 seagoing allowance $18,000. Thats my my normal pay. When my ship is along side in home port (sydney) which it has for the last 5 months for a refit, I work 0800 to 1530 with an hour for lunch an half hour of other breaks 5 days a week. Plus i play an hour of sport in work time everyday and on wednesday afternoons i play team sport for 2 hours in work time. I get my meals cooked for me for free, and they aint half bad compared to the crap i see sold in the city. My uniforms are washed at work for free and i have a bed to sleep in AT WORK (on my ship) during lunch.

At sea i work about 12 hours a day an get bugger all sleep because i serve on warships an we are always training. I have done 3 active service deployments to iraq/afghan and up there the normal routie for navy is 28 days at sea, and then 7 along side in places such as Dubai. Getting $150 a day ontop of our normal pay completely tax free.. Yes i earn my money at sea from hard work. But you will never have as much fun anywhere as you will stepping ashore after a month at sea in a town full of beautiful women and a pocket full of your hard earned with your best mates.

There are women on ships now too so there is no funny business like old times

I get free medical, dental. I get $270 per week for my rent. And i claim all my snowboarding gear on tax and take 2 weeks unchecked leave off per year to compete in the interservice snowboarding championships. Also when tax time comes around i normally get a bit back from just being in different parts of the world that have lower tax zones.

I get 35 days leave a year (7 weeks).

That pretty much sums up how i work an get paid. Now im only 22, i think im doing ok out of the navy. I dont know about the army, but our navy is the highest paid navy in the world. I grew up on a yacht so the sea is nothing new to me


edit: and about the collins class submarine you are very very wrong. Yes when they came out they had all kinds of weapon system problems. But they have been rectified and vastly improved, now our collins class submarines at the worlds biggest joint naval excersise in Hawaii (RIMPAC) are kicking ass. They are SO GOOD that they have to make a mistake on purpose so the other subs can find them. HMAS Farncombe and crew managed to sink an entire carrier battle group flotilla in wargames. Which is no mean feat and has never been done before. So before your quick to critique our capabilites, maybe you should read some uptodate news on our steel sharks.

Dont mention the Sea Sprites, they are a waste of money, and defence royally fucked up on that one!

[Ratmick]

When I was a Radio Tech we used to get parts from the States for our radios (they were Vietnam War-vintage pieces of shit). Sometimes all you'd need was a resistor in a commonly available size, like 100 ohm, 1% tolerance rated at 1/2W. Alas, you couldn't just pop down to Dick Smith and buy one, they had to be MIL-SPEC.

So you'd put your order in, and a few weeks later you'd get a small box in a hermatically sealed plastic bag. You'd cut the bag off with a Stanley knife (the Yanks used to use premium quality polythene in their bags, you couldn't rip it with your fingers). Then you'd cut the box open (because it's sealed with fibreglass-reinforced brown paper tape). Inside the box would be another bag (see cutting instructions), inside the bag would be some type of shock-absorption material and a sachet of silica gel. Inside this would be a small square of corrugated cardboard neatly formed into a tube. Inside the tube was a neatly wrapped resistor in MIL-SPEC tissue paper.

I don't know about you, but there's no way on this small blue planet I could do an 8-hour shift wrapping something to that standard, day-in, day-out, just think of the job satisfaction, makes me shudder to think about it. No wonder people go postal.

Probably explains the cost of MIL-SPEC electronic components as well...

[aardvark]

(they were Vietnam War-vintage pieces of shit).

That would be the war that happened after you had left the army?

[Kishy]

Army needs 3000 recruits

Ian McPhedran
August 11, 2006 12:00am

<snip>

Defence Minister Brendan Nelson will next week ask his Cabinet colleagues to
approve the expansion as a matter of urgency.

He will also ask for approval to overhaul the methods used to enlist troops and
to review their pay and conditions in a bid to attract new members and to keep
those already in uniform.

Dr Nelson, who has taken direct responsibility for recruiting, wants an overhaul
of the system used to recruit military personnel.

Extra pay is only part of the equation and according to well-placed sources other
issues such as longer postings, educational centres, spouse employment and
more relaxed health requirements will also be addressed.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html

[Buck]

How did a newbie rider whos never served take over this
thread??.

I lost 4 mates who joined up with me in pussers 02/1981 QLD intake.
2 with v8s 2 on bikes. All within 6 months of finishing basic
training at Cerberus. unskilled young drivers, unfamiliar roads, booze and extra confidence from their training?

Its probably very cost effective considering the cost of a serious crash and the high number of defence riders.

Kishy
I should suggest guys who ride and crash bigger bikes before
their skill or licence levels allow cost more to the public purse than
this training, If youd hit armco or trees on the 7 rather than grass you may
have a different point of view, if any.
Steve

[Kishy]

How did a newbie rider whos never served take over this
thread??.

I've given out plenty of servings in my time chump; dont you worry about that..
not that it has jack to do with anything we're talking about

I should suggest guys who ride and crash bigger bikes before
their skill or licence levels allow cost more to the public purse than
this training, If youd hit armco or trees on the 7 rather than grass you may
have a different point of view, if any.
Steve

& I would suggest 2U the same can be said for tobacco, cagers & thousands
of other things..

Dosent change shit about blowing $1.9M on defence force personel who
cant ride scooters.

[Neka79]

i thought abt joining the navy, but i dont like the idea of being poked in the bum.... maybe mina might want to join tho??

[mick_dundee]

i thought abt joining the navy, but i dont like the idea of being poked in the bum.... maybe mina might want to join tho??

What for, he gets it just by being a civilian and no need for uniform, although rumours are he looks good in the French maid outfit Duane insists on.....

[Ratmick]

That would be the war that happened after you had left the army?

Hey, I'm not THAT old .

[gizmo]

edit: and about the collins class submarine you are very very wrong. Yes when they came out they had all kinds of weapon system problems. But they have been rectified and vastly improved, now our collins class submarines at the worlds biggest joint naval excersise in Hawaii (RIMPAC) are kicking ass. They are SO GOOD that they have to make a mistake on purpose so the other subs can find them. HMAS Farncombe and crew managed to sink an entire carrier battle group flotilla in wargames. Which is no mean feat and has never been done before. So before your quick to critique our capabilites, maybe you should read some uptodate news on our steel sharks.

EXACTLY what I have heard/Read, Horses for courses, Nuclear might be able to stay under longer but differnet subs, different Pricing too I'm sure.

[gizmo]

Thank you for your Opinion Kishy, but man you are a grumpy fella....
Think Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling, it's not the end of the world,
just try to breathe alittle & then go for a ride on the bike

Wouldnt you be pissed if someone took $1.9M off you
to teach some fuckers how to ride a scooter?

$1.9M isn't much when you consider the Whole Budget $$$$$.
Isn't the Vic govt spending more than that on Pushbikes?

[z900/zx9]

Yeah the government is spending plenty on pushbikes Is it true that they are considering a training course to rid the world of kishy strips

[Kishy]

$1.9M isn't much when you consider the Whole Budget $$$$$.
Isn't the Vic govt spending more than that on Pushbikes?

Stupid argument.. I may bother showing you why another time cause I couldnt be fucked at this
time of the nite

Is it true that they are considering a training course to rid the world of kishy strips

They should consider kissing my black ass.. dem useless bastards.

Hey, I tell ya what.. I'd bet ya left testicle theres not many here with only 12mths riding experience
who can do what I do

Everyone I've ridden with has been amazed when they've found out when I first started riding..