ZX7/8R

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:10 pm

Phil wrote:
I-K wrote:
SocialSecurity wrote:a Z1000 motor is a heavily detuned ZX9R motor with a mm or 2 over bore and EFI
Is this where we again remind you that Z1000's actually make more power than ZX9's?
i dont think so tim , my 107K old 98 model beat wattie's z1000 by about 7-8 odd hp

uh-oh..u started a shit fight now philthy...

FrogZ · Post by **FrogZ** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:25 pm

REAL MEN HAVE TURBOS, 300HP OR NOTHING !!!!

so I'll just squeak off now if its OK with you big boys...
(and no I dont have a turbo)

Damn nearly forgot what I was supposed to post...
I wonder too if the 800's will affect us.
NO 750's (except the Gixxer) only 600's now...
kwak even dropped the 636...

extremelean · Post by **extremelean** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:40 am

How bout a sleek new ZX7RR with the peek power output of a 900cc machine.
And Im not talkin bout a big heavy monster either...power to weight ratio baby.
With the handling of a 600cc sportbike.

Tell me watchya think.

ronster · Post by **ronster** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:52 am

We should probably keep in mind that the popular collectors classics are mostly from the late 60,s and early 70's and are 750,s.

Prior to the GPZ900, you would only want one of the great 750's.

Triumph Trident, Honda 750-4, H series Kawa etc.

The 750 class at the TT races, (the real test of a street racer) was always the most exciting and popular.

I know the thrill of a fire breathing big bore bike going past an indicated 270kph, but to be honest, I think most of us don't need hp, we need a balance between power, weght and handling.

Thats probably why so many prefer the 9 over the bigger hp crutch rockets.

I must say that I have been expecting another 750 revolution for years.

Heres hoping

PC

Nanna10r · Post by **Nanna10r** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:43 am

Ronster is Bang on.

Now that Motogp isd going to 800 the first Manufacturer to exploit the new CC limit with a scoot BETTER then the recent gixxa7.5 will get the jump on the other constructors.
I really hope they do it, use the 10r frame & styling & toss a new design donk in it.

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:14 pm

Pontikat wrote:Ronster is Bang on.

Now that Motogp isd going to 800 the first Manufacturer to exploit the new CC limit with a scoot BETTER then the recent gixxa7.5 will get the jump on the other constructors.
I really hope they do it, use the 10r frame & styling & toss a new design donk in it.

mate im not against it... a zx6r chassis etc with a 750 inline 4 would be a nice bike...rather than the old zx7r style of making them a heavy bugger (to handle tho)....

might happen...doubt it.,... might tho..

greenmeanie · Post by **greenmeanie** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:14 pm

Neka79 wrote:
Pontikat wrote:Ronster is Bang on.

Now that Motogp isd going to 800 the first Manufacturer to exploit the new CC limit with a scoot BETTER then the recent gixxa7.5 will get the jump on the other constructors.
I really hope they do it, use the 10r frame & styling & toss a new design donk in it.
mate im not against it... a zx6r chassis etc with a 750 inline 4 would be a nice bike...rather than the old zx7r style of making them a heavy bugger (to handle tho)....

might happen...doubt it.,... might tho..

The zx7r to this day still has one of the most stable front ends ever made.

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:54 pm

greenmeanie wrote: The zx7r to this day still has one of the most stable front ends ever made.

stable front ends...?
most Kwakas have that rep.....

Benny · Post by **Benny** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:23 pm

Gixxers can kiss my ass, i would rather a classy bike ...

Post by **Wattie** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:21 am

everyone is forgetting SUPERBIKES!!!!

Superbikes is why the R1, ZX10R, GSX1000 and Ducati are doing so well. not moto GP.

moto gp is like the formula 1 of the car world. you can buy replicas (maclarens, Ferarri etc) but they cost lots... think Desmosedici.

superbikes were 750 4cyl, then they allowed less modified 1000cc 4s, and thats the way roadbikes went.
the R1sp, was produced to make the r1 superbike more competitive, giving them the opportunity to do more to the racebike.

the ducati desmosedici is now available for like 100k which is great value

and why did they release it? to race a bike in superbikes it needs to be homolagated (released to the public) so Ducati release it moto gp replica, rich ppl buy it, its now homolagated, hey presto, its now allowed to run in Superbikes....

moto gp going to 800, wont do much for street bikes till about 2010. *maybe*

timbo · Post by **timbo** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:10 pm

when has MotoGP been allowed to have bikes based on production? Answer, never.

The switch to 800cc in MotoGP should have no effect on production.

Combine that with the fact that Kawasaki is dropping the 636 due to costs involved to have the two engine sizes produced instead of one, and you've got one dead rumour.

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:29 pm

timbo wrote:when has MotoGP been allowed to have bikes based on production? Answer, never.

The switch to 800cc in MotoGP should have no effect on production.

Combine that with the fact that Kawasaki is dropping the 636 due to costs involved to have the two engine sizes produced instead of one, and you've got one dead rumour.

yep yep and yep...

as i stated b4 (i think) wcm got shafted for using R1 cams (one part of a motor only)..NOTHING can be production..u rarely assosciate much on a road bike from a GP bike, cept maybe a bit of aerodynamics or the suspension... certainly motors dont come into it...if they did, they wouldnt be allowed to race in GP

I-K · Post by **I-K** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:09 pm

Wattie wrote:superbikes were 750 4cyl, then they allowed less modified 1000cc 4s, and thats the way roadbikes went.

Ummm, what are you talking about?

Honda never really had a modern, mainstream 750cc sportsbike.
Yamaha dropped their last effort, the YZF750R, from their lineup for the 1997 model year.
The ZX-7R went unchanged since 1996, and even when it first appeared, it was only a refinement of what went before it, not a fresh design.
MV Agusta tried it, then gave up and made the block and cases bigger so their bike could also be 1000cc.

Suzuki are the only ones really persisting with a 750, and even that went through a grim phase around the turn of the century when hardly anyone was buying it.

WSB didn't change the formula to include 1000cc fours because the manufacturers wanted to build and sell more advanced litre bikes; it's because the bikes which were being raced became irrelevant to the street.

When WSB started, in 1988, a litre bike was an FZR1000 or an original ZX-10; too big and too heavy to be sportsbikes. Sports riders rode 750's, so that's what they designed the new race series to reflect.

As manufacturers learned to lop weight off their bikes, and things like the FireBlade, the R1 and the C-model ZX9 came out, people stopped bothering with 750's, and WSB suffered as a result.

In 2000, Frankie Chili raced the WT-shaped GSX-R750, when the Eaglebeak was already out. Why go watch racing when there's a superseded bike in the field? Pffft.

the ducati desmosedici is now available for like 100k which is great value
and why did they release it? to race a bike in superbikes it needs to be homolagated (released to the public) so Ducati release it moto gp replica, rich ppl buy it, its now homolagated, hey presto, its now allowed to run in Superbikes....

Wrong.

Ducati are still in business only because the 916 you could buy in the mid 90's looked and sounded just like the bike on which Fogarty and Corser were doing the business in WSB.

They haven't forgotten that... and they've learned from Yamaha and Honda's experiences with megabuck cul-de-sac homologation models. Nobody bought a FireBlade because of the RC45, and nobody bought an R1 because of Haga getting the R7 sideways. If anything, part of the reason WSB went to 1000cc fours is because the Japanese manufacturers wanted to race what they sell.

In a nutshell, MotoGP builds brand awareness, WSB builds awareness of individual models. The former sells T-shirts, the latter sells whole bikes. In which of the two do you figure is there more money to be made?

HemiDuty · Post by **HemiDuty** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:32 pm

Well if the company is HD........

Neka79 · Post by **Neka79** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:19 pm

HemiDuty wrote:Well if the company is HD........

they build buckets of shit with over priced t-shirts...

yet both seem to sell?? I-K...ur answer to this please??...lol