Carbon Tax

[the kid]

So long as there are pieces of litter on the sides of our Hwys , there aint a snowflakes chance in hell of setting this planet right .
We can't get the most simple of things right , so what hope ?
Might go and start a 2 stroke now , just for the hell of it .

[seiko1]

Well I reckon we need a rock tax!
Those bastard Volcano's are pouring out more every day for gods sake.......
Rock tax or by 2150 the planets surface will be solid!!!

[Blurr]

Did we really expect any better from a labour government????????

[smithy5]

This will have the same impact as raising the GST to 12.5%.
However, the gumbyment thought they could sell the Tax on "Big Polluters" better cause the average Joe wouldn't stand for an extra 2.5% on EVERYTHING.... We are going to cop it either way....

[ZXR750]

To quote the genius Forrest Gump. " I am not a smart man".
But and this is just my thoughts. The increase of carbon dioxide seems to be related to the decrease in trees. Humans destroy bushlands, forrests call it what you like at an alarming rate. As trees take in CO2 and release oxygen wouldn't it be better to just plant more trees? At least you can see where your money is going instead of to a tax that shows no return. It would also stabalise the earths temps, and help slow global warming. and yes I voted Labour.

[Six Addict]

To quote the genius Forrest Gump. " I am not a smart man".
But and this is just my thoughts. The increase of carbon dioxide seems to be related to the decrease in trees. Humans destroy bushlands, forrests call it what you like at an alarming rate. As trees take in CO2 and release oxygen wouldn't it be better to just plant more trees? At least you can see where your money is going instead of to a tax that shows no return. It would also stabalise the earths temps, and help slow global warming. and yes I voted Labour.

it'd take a long time to replace all the old growth rain forests that have been cut down in brazil and indonesia, but its an entirely valid point

im no expert on how to do it, but i do think that activities and some habits of life that are associated with either produce greenhouse gasses or use finite resources needs to be made more expensive... you can see form this thread that we all hate things being expensive, its the perfect way to curb behaviour

i would even go as far as to say, my viewpoint of sustainability is more to do with the fact that finite resources will inevitably get more expensive as they deplete, so why not use something like the sun, that is infinite (well almost)... the fact that greenhouse gasses which might contribute to global warming will also diminish is a bonus...

i would also like to think that if in future i drive a car not run on petrol then my petrol will be cheaper for riding bikes

[Matty C]

mmmmm.... Firstly the unknown source has it right 3 % of the carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is human made. Doesn't sound like much but it is on top of a natural annual cycle where all natural carbon dioxide produced is again absorbed by plants and concerted to carbohydrates ( yes photosynthesis the reason for life on this planet). If we keep adding an extra 3% per year we must see build up of carbon dioxide over time- an extra 3 % per year that quickly adds up. COrbon dioxide is not the most potent of green house gases but the most prevalent.
I don't know about you but I've been noticing there appears to be more extreme weather events recently... maybe they are due to natural averages but then again maybe they are not.
Science is based on testing hypotheses and if the tests support the hypotheses then they are eventually accepted after being scrutinised by the Scientific community. Science is not based on opinion, it is based on observable data, it is purely objective. The Global Scientific community accepts the human induced climate change is real. They have produced man complex models, not as complex as the Earth's systems mind you but they are the best indicators we have. These models suggest more extreme weather events increasing average temperatures, melting land ice and rising sea levels.
These are frightening prospects some people simply say no I don't believe it but clearly there is a chance they will occur and evidence is pouring in to suggest they are. We as human beings must act to prevent these catastrophes if we can to do otherwise is simply irresponsible.
Australia's carbon tax leading into an emissions trading scheme will help. It will be cheaper to produce non carbon forms of electricity and that is should have been invested in for over the last twenty years.
watch this video and tell me if you are column A or column B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

cheers Matt

[Blurr]

To quote the genius Forrest Gump. " I am not a smart man".
But and this is just my thoughts. The increase of carbon dioxide seems to be related to the decrease in trees. Humans destroy bushlands, forrests call it what you like at an alarming rate. As trees take in CO2 and release oxygen wouldn't it be better to just plant more trees? At least you can see where your money is going instead of to a tax that shows no return. It would also stabalise the earths temps, and help slow global warming. and yes I voted Labour.

it'd take a long time to replace all the old growth rain forests that have been cut down in brazil and indonesia, but its an entirely valid point

im no expert on how to do it, but i do think that activities and some habits of life that are associated with either produce greenhouse gasses or use finite resources needs to be made more expensive... you can see form this thread that we all hate things being expensive, its the perfect way to curb behaviour

i would even go as far as to say, my viewpoint of sustainability is more to do with the fact that finite resources will inevitably get more expensive as they deplete, so why not use something like the sun, that is infinite (well almost)... the fact that greenhouse gasses which might contribute to global warming will also diminish is a bonus...

i would also like to think that if in future i drive a car not run on petrol then my petrol will be cheaper for riding bikes

Not pointed at you Pinchy however I highlighted your post as i have noticed your views on this being very Gen Y and wanted to raise a few issues I have with the Gen Y mentality on this.

We'll all agree that no matter how it is taxed it is the end user that will end up footing the bill, no matter what your purchase.

making money in business is tuff these days and no matter what anybody tells you nobody is raking it in. With rents sky rocketing, electricity being like gold and all the costs that employees expect
- Super (employers cost))
- Sick pay it is seen that an employer should foot the bill of your sickness)
- Holidays (again the employer should pay for this)
- Payrises
- Laundry allowances

Yet the first time someone raises the prices on something everyone crys poor and rings A Current Affair or the ACCC, in which they try to point the finger at businesses taking blue collar workers for a ride.

Now when this tax comes in the impact this has on businesses will be astronomical because it will effect everything. In turn business are now looking to move overseas to stay competitive which loops which takes further jobs out of the country and out of our economy cycle.

So when it comes to the crunch and nobody including the government can afford these things that gen Y has come accustom to (remember they have never faced a true recession) and none of them can get jobs let alone contract work because industry has been crippled guess who is gunna cry hard done by????????

GEN WHY?????????????????

There are better ways however because labour is not industry focused and because they want the revenue they will once again make a move that will fark the economy right up.

This is just like the cattle export industry debacle. The government knew about this a long time ago but only acted now because of public pressure and that farking useless self righteous wanker Bob Brown.

I call for a revote and fark the greens off!!!!!

[smithy5]

I call for a revote and fark the greens off!!!!!

+1........... and the so called Independants

[Six Addict]

To quote the genius Forrest Gump. " I am not a smart man".
But and this is just my thoughts. The increase of carbon dioxide seems to be related to the decrease in trees. Humans destroy bushlands, forrests call it what you like at an alarming rate. As trees take in CO2 and release oxygen wouldn't it be better to just plant more trees? At least you can see where your money is going instead of to a tax that shows no return. It would also stabalise the earths temps, and help slow global warming. and yes I voted Labour.

it'd take a long time to replace all the old growth rain forests that have been cut down in brazil and indonesia, but its an entirely valid point

im no expert on how to do it, but i do think that activities and some habits of life that are associated with either produce greenhouse gasses or use finite resources needs to be made more expensive... you can see form this thread that we all hate things being expensive, its the perfect way to curb behaviour

i would even go as far as to say, my viewpoint of sustainability is more to do with the fact that finite resources will inevitably get more expensive as they deplete, so why not use something like the sun, that is infinite (well almost)... the fact that greenhouse gasses which might contribute to global warming will also diminish is a bonus...

i would also like to think that if in future i drive a car not run on petrol then my petrol will be cheaper for riding bikes

Not pointed at you Pinchy however I highlighted your post as i have noticed your views on this being very Gen Y and wanted to raise a few issues I have with the Gen Y mentality on this.

We'll all agree that no matter how it is taxed it is the end user that will end up footing the bill, no matter what your purchase.

making money in business is tuff these days and no matter what anybody tells you nobody is raking it in. With rents sky rocketing, electricity being like gold and all the costs that employees expect
- Super (employers cost))
- Sick pay it is seen that an employer should foot the bill of your sickness)
- Holidays (again the employer should pay for this)
- Payrises
- Laundry allowances

Yet the first time someone raises the prices on something everyone crys poor and rings A Current Affair or the ACCC, in which they try to point the finger at businesses taking blue collar workers for a ride.

Now when this tax comes in the impact this has on businesses will be astronomical because it will effect everything. In turn business are now looking to move overseas to stay competitive which loops which takes further jobs out of the country and out of our economy cycle.

So when it comes to the crunch and nobody including the government can afford these things that gen Y has come accustom to (remember they have never faced a true recession) and none of them can get jobs let alone contract work because industry has been crippled guess who is gunna cry hard done by????????

GEN WHY?????????????????

There are better ways however because labour is not industry focused and because they want the revenue they will once again make a move that will fark the economy right up.

This is just like the cattle export industry debacle. The government knew about this a long time ago but only acted now because of public pressure and that farking useless self righteous wanker Bob Brown.

I call for a revote and fark the greens off!!!!!

mate, i know no-one is raking it in... my contract just got cut im contracting at the moment, and putting myself at the mercy of the market, but if im smart, and committed and talented enough, i'll get by

im an optimist, and although i know there are industries in aus that would/will suffer and fade completely out, we have the chance to create new ones, which people seem to gloss over... yes the coal industry may dwindle, but there'll be solar, wind and potentially other industries created... a whole new economy...

like i said, i dont know what the best way to do it is, i just think we should be taking it more seriously than we are, even if only from the fact that we're so reliant on finite resources... if you think its tough now, think how it might be in 20 years, when its us Gen Why people who are paying even more for electricity and petrol, because the past 20 years has been wasted...

and to show im a true leftie, i do believe there are basic rights that employers should provide to workers, but this also assumes that emplyees give basic respect to their companies... unfortunately a break-down on either side lets the whole system down, and gives people the wrong impression...

but thats a little off topic

[vivek67]

As a migrant, I find it difficult to see how a nation like australia which is one of the most heavily taxed countries (2nd most heavily taxed from memory?) has such basic public infrastructure.

Countries with lower taxes, similar populous have better public infrastructure and evenly spread population. It seems to me that if Melbourne and Sydney were wiped out by a hurricane or something, there would be 16 people left in Australia.

Let me not even get started about house prices, over reliance on mining. The economy has fundamental long term problems.

Carbon tax, well that is just borderline insanity and outright hilarious. Australia with it's minuscule population would not even get close to producing enough carbon dioxide to make it worthwhile. It's just so wrong and stupid. Just my 2 cents.

[Blurr]

mate, i know no-one is raking it in... my contract just got cut im contracting at the moment, and putting myself at the mercy of the market, but if im smart, and committed and talented enough, i'll get by

Agreed and this is what 'Workchoices' was aimed at. Keeping the the Australian manufacturing industry competitive whilst motivating people to get trained in their preferred industry to stay valuable. However we farked that up didnt we and voted labour in.

im an optimist, and although i know there are industries in aus that would/will suffer and fade completely out, we have the chance to create new ones, which people seem to gloss over... yes the coal industry may dwindle, but there'll be solar, wind and potentially other industries created... a whole new economy...

Whilst I agree that these are potential future ecomonical pillars you need to build them before destroying the old ones . Again I point to the cattle export fark up.

Rather than the government dealing with it over the last 4 years they just turned a blind eye. However as soon as they are pressured via the media and the greens/independents they buckle and completely cripple the industry to look like they are doing something. Now they have ruined relationships with Asian nations all because we didnt do it the right way.

The boat people fiasco is another issue of a labour fark up. They went and signed the UN refugee agreement which meant we now have open borders. We cant get rid of any that arent legit because it is to hard to prove and we cant kick them out because the government is to weak and cant afford to lose any support. Sooo now we now pay millions to support the ungrateful pack of free loaders.

The list of what this government has farked up goes on and on and on.

There is no way this government should be allowed to implement this. they cant even put a outline of how it will work before they have committed to it. This government is to weak with to many interests (political partys) having to be catered for. We need a majority government for it to ever be half decent.

[MAXUMIS]

Did we really expect any better from a labour government????????

+1 hows her form (we will not not do carbon tax)the bitch is full of crap!!

[Blurr]

As a migrant, I find it difficult to see how a nation like australia which is one of the most heavily taxed countries (2nd most heavily taxed from memory?) has such basic public infrastructure.

Countries with lower taxes, similar populous have better public infrastructure and evenly spread population. It seems to me that if Melbourne and Sydney were wiped out by a hurricane or something, there would be 16 people left in Australia.

Let me not even get started about house prices, over reliance on mining. The economy has fundamental long term problems.

Carbon tax, well that is just borderline insanity and outright hilarious. Australia with it's minuscule population would not even get close to producing enough carbon dioxide to make it worthwhile. It's just so wrong and stupid. Just my 2 cents.

It really comes down to population VS size. We have alot more land to spread our infrastructure over than most countries. Also i do believe that most nations being alot older than up were able to set up their infrastructure during times which involved alot less red tape.

To do the same now we need to
- lobby the greens for approval
- provide a feasibility study
- environmental studies
- costings
- DA approvals
- Work site clearances
- OH&S safety audits
- Urban growth impact studies
- Residential approval
and on and on and on.

Millions are spent before you even get an approval. Look at Sydney's second airport at Badgery's Creek. Millions wasted because of a few locals and the greens.

[Six Addict]

i disagree strongly with some views youve made in that last post (free loaders), but economically i do generally agree with you...

Whilst I agree that these are potential future ecomonical pillars you need to build them before destroying the old ones

i do agree with this, but also we cant let ourselves be paralysed by not knowing when to push the go button... there needs to be incentives for the early adopters on both business and consumer side to start gearing up properly thats all im asking for