Adelaide protest run

[z900/zx9]

I think anyone that rides in adelaide deserves to have there training paid for considering how the cages drive over there,they drive like nannas with mullets and coke bottle glasses

[Kishy]

I missed the last protest run, so will make sure I attend the
next Melb run.

Good luck to all those attending the S.A protest.

[Ment]

I-K,
I understand from what you have said that you have a problem with this guy (Codognotto) but bear in mind this topic is about a massive jump in the cost of getting onto a bike here in SA.

Personally, i prefer to see these figures as percentages becuase an actual dollar figure and its hit to the hip pocket is totally relevant to the individual, remember that $300 is alot more to a 16 yr old than for an older person.

Just my 450 cents worth

(note the effect of a a 225% incrase in the cost of opinion )

ment

[jpbikeboy]

Waaaaay tooo deeep. Lets get back to having fun and worry about the politics on monday.

[Plaz]

I-K,
I understand from what you have said that you have a problem with this guy (Codognotto) but bear in mind this topic is about a massive jump in the cost of getting onto a bike here in SA.

Personally, i prefer to see these figures as percentages becuase an actual dollar figure and its hit to the hip pocket is totally relevant to the individual, remember that $300 is alot more to a 16 yr old than for an older person.

Just my 450 cents worth

(note the effect of a a 225% incrase in the cost of opinion )

ment

Well said Ment,
at the end of the day, despite what ever rhetoric is spouted from either side, I feel(note this opinion is my own and not aimed at endorsing any other view point) that this is a direct attack on the SA resident who chooses a "non traditional" transport option. Increase fee's to the general road user by a simialr amount and see what result that generates.[/b]

[MadFab]

any fool who lives in S.A. deserves to be charged up the arse !

[I-K]

I-K,
I understand from what you have said that you have a problem with this guy

The way you put it, you'd think he owed me money, or something.

This isn't personal, it's about him doing damage to the efforts of more level-headed motorcycle lobbying organisations by hijacking their efforts and radicalising them, thus hobbling them and making them less likely to succeed.

He's fucking all our shit up with his ravings.

Personally, i prefer to see these figures as percentages becuase an actual dollar figure and its hit to the hip pocket is totally relevant to the individual,

There must be a typo hiding in there somewhere, dude, because that sentence contradicts itself.

remember that $300 is alot more to a 16 yr old than for an older person.

Then contact the MRASA and suggest to them that their discussions with the government should include a proposal that they start charging for prelearner training on an age-based sliding scale, thus making it easier for the kids, who are also the most likely to go "Stuff this" and start riding around unlicensed, to do the right thing. Hell, sit down and write a letter to that effect to the SA transport minister and his counterparts in the main opposition parties.

Contrast the above with Codognotto banging on about the anti-bike culture in too many of our road authorities. Which do you think is more likely to gain a receptive ear with the people who, ultimately, make the decision?

Ultimately, all state governments have subsidised compulsory prelearner training ever since it was introduced in the early 1990's, and in SA in particular, the course fee paid by n00bs getting their licenses hasn't risen for something like a decade. How many people were going for their licenses back then, and how many people are going for their licenses now? The prelearner training is costing the government more than it used to, and if you want them to wear that additional cost, what are you going to do, antagonise them into doing it?

Just my 450 cents worth

(note the effect of a a 225% incrase in the cost of opinion )

Actually, 4.50 cents is only a 125% increase on 2.00 cents.

[MadFab]

deasest I.K. please share your innermost thoughts on this matter with us !...........oops i forgot you will jam them down our throats , regardless if we want them or not !

[I-K]

deasest I.K. please share your innermost thoughts on this matter with us !...........oops i forgot you will jam them down our throats , regardless if we want them or not !

Any time you spot what you consider to be a flaw in any of my reasoning, feel free to point it out.

[Ment]

The way you put it, you'd think he owed me money, or something.

This isn't personal, it's about him doing damage to the efforts of more level-headed motorcycle lobbying organisations by hijacking their efforts and radicalising them, thus hobbling them and making them less likely to succeed.

He's fucking all our shit up with his ravings.

Ok, the way i see this is that you are expressing your dislike for his tactics, to me thats personal.

Personally, i prefer to see these figures as percentages because an actual dollar figure and its hit to the hip pocket is totally relevant to the individual,

There must be a typo hiding in there somewhere, dude, because that sentence contradicts itself.

How exactally does that condradict itself? To me a dollar figure doesnt say the same thing to me as it would a kid getting their L's, so hence i think its better for all to hear a percentage increase, just my preference.

remember that $300 is alot more to a 16 yr old than for an older person.

Then contact the MRASA and suggest to them that their discussions with the government should include a proposal that they start charging for prelearner training on an age-based sliding scale, thus making it easier for the kids, who are also the most likely to go "Stuff this" and start riding around unlicensed, to do the right thing. Hell, sit down and write a letter to that effect to the SA transport minister and his counterparts in the main opposition parties.

I think you may have missed my point on this one. I was just illistrating my point about figures v percentages.

Just my 450 cents worth

(note the effect of a a 225% incrase in the cost of opinion )

Actually, 4.50 cents is only a 125% increase on 2.00 cents.

oops, dontcha hate it when you go for some humor in an attempt to sound pithy and simply just bugger it up?

anyway, whenever someone offers up an opinion, they must expect ppl to have differing points of view. The fact we can discuss these differences in an open and adult way is what makes a forum like this great.

ment

[Neka79]

the long & the short of it is this....

what use to cost $180 for a licence (the 2 courses) is now $550....

for the majority of new motorcyclist who we are trying to encourage to ride, thats not small change.

now i kno some of u have 3 rental properties, a $100k a year job, and $550 is pocket change to u...but to the majority of 17yo kids who are at school/uni & working at maccas/KFC , $550 is a couipla months savings...hell i wouldnt make a $550 purchase without saving for a few weeks...so its kinda a pain in the ass...

if u were looking for a cheaper alternative to cars etc, its not that cheap any more.

i kno if i didnt have a licence, and was goin thru this, i wouldnt pay...id take my chances...look how many ppl already ride unlicenced ...i kno of 4 or 5 ppl off this site alone who have ridden without the proper licence over the last few years...off the top of my head

[Kishy]

Very tru Neka.. hence why I dont see how anyone can have
an issue with this protest run.

This run has been advertised on other forums as well.

It is a PRO biker run.. got that?.. A PRO BIKER RUN.

It has been organised for the benefit of the biking community
bc fuckwit Rann is again discriminating against the biking
community in his state & his bulllshit has gotta stop.

Who gives a fuck if you personally dont like whoeva is behind
it. This is not about who is running it, but why its being run.

Fuck U & your gubyment MikeRann

[Kishy]

The SA State Government is considering extending its Ridersafe compulsory motorcycle
training to scooters as part of its strategy to reduce the road toll by 40 per cent by 2010.

Road Safety Minister Carmel Zollo confirmed yesterday she had asked the Road Safety
Advisory Council for feedback about the introduction of special licences for riders of scooters
under 50cc in power, who now only require a car licence.

But the SA Motorcycle Riders Association said compulsory scooter training would be counter-
productive.

"It cannot be compulsory because at (Ridersafe) prices people will run away," road safety
officer Peter Goodrich said.

From July 1, fees for the Ridersafe stage 1 course and advanced courses had tripled.

Ms Zollo said the fee rise was justified because the number of motorcyclist fatalities had
increased by 39 per cent since 1999.

Nurse Emily Dowler, 23, of Kensington Gardens, bought a $3000 scooter 18 months ago
because it provided her with "quick and easy transport" around the city.
Ms Dowler, who has never had an accident, said she did not believe in compulsory training.

[Kishy]

Letters to the SA Advertiser have criticised the recent announcement that the Governments
compulsory RideSafe rider training course will increase its fees from $90 to $290..

The Government seems at odds with itself when on one hand it is supposedly promoting the
increased use of rider training for not only learner or novice riders, but the increasingly over
represented (in crash statistics) older riders returning to the mode of transport.

Extract from the SA Govt Motorcycling Road Safety Strategy 2005-2010
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/saf ... afety2.pdf

(Page 12/16) - Address the increasing crash rate of older riders
• Promote voluntary participation in refresher courses (Ridersafe and advanced off-road) for
older riders

Over the past 12 months, there has been an upsurge in the use of scooters and motorcycles in
general, with the public turning to two wheels to combat the never-ending petrol price rises.
This summer will see more motorcyclists on our roads than ever before.

So now, in all her wisdom, the Road Safety Minister, Carmel Zollo, allows untrained riders to use
50cc scooters on our roads and triples the cost of attending rider safety training.

How is that an intelligent road safety strategy?

More crashes, more costs and more heartache are inevitable. Obviously the State Government
isn't serious about the Staying Alive Challenge 2006. The public, however, should be.

Road Safety Minister Carmel Zollo is quoted as saying that the rise of fees from $90 to $290 for
RiderSafe, the compulsory motorcycle training course (The Advertiser, 17/6/06) was "in response
to increasing demand".

Surely a rise in demand should lead to efficiencies that would lead to a lowering of fees? Or is it
that a (rightly) subsidised activity has now become userpays?

[mick_dundee]

btw
Damien may be a nutter, a cog loose in the gearbox
but sometimes...sometimes he gets its right

Used to I think Smitty, think Damien's problem is he is still in 70's/80's where if he didn't get his way it was organise a protest run. The guy is a FORMER MRA Life member now I believe also (happy to be corrected as not in the MRA inner circle anymore).

Credit should be given where due, Vic motorcycling owes footpath parking to Damein by and large and also if not for Damien we would probably still be carrying pillions at 80kph, but the bloke sees things only 1 way and that's his way.

There's no room for reason, negotiation or anything else, if it's not done Damien's way it's worng, that simple.

Also as an aside I posted a heads up about this ride probably a month ago, heard about it via other sources as i'm not on the Damien list of blokes he likes, which incidentally, suits me fine.