Unmarked cop bikes

[seiko1]

Who the fuck is Arrdvard Hoffy?

[aardvark]

Thats certainly not what the Gobmint would have us believe, this is their justification for booking every poor bastard for exceeding the speed

There has to be a limit. Rightly or wrongly the limits have been set. We all know what those limits are. If we choose (and it is a choice) to exceed the limits and get caught, then suck it up and get over it. Want a 10km/h tolerance on the limits because you're such a shit rider you can't stick to the limits? Sure, reduce the speed limit by 20km/h and have your 10km/h tolerance.

[Six Addict]

Thats certainly not what the Gobmint would have us believe, this is their justification for booking every poor bastard for exceeding the speed

There has to be a limit. Rightly or wrongly the limits have been set. We all know what those limits are. If we choose (and it is a choice) to exceed the limits and get caught, then suck it up and get over it. Want a 10km/h tolerance on the limits because you're such a shit rider you can't stick to the limits? Sure, reduce the speed limit by 20km/h and have your 10km/h tolerance.

i completely agree,

but i also put it that police sometimes take advantage of conditions where speed limits go up an down numerous times every kilometer, and that they also take advantage of instances where a speed limit changes for no apparent reason (ie its not suburban area, no change in lane number, not approaching a town etc)

one might also suggest that fines actually dont get the point across... given the number of tickets handed out, maybe its true, maybe its not... but tickets and the constant warning of certain death is all that enforcement agencies and governments can come up with...

i seriously believe that governments and agencies should look in to pro active measures, that produce a measurable improvement... but that would of course mean expenditure, where as handing out tickets is income...

[Six Addict]

Yes Mike, but when was the last time you heard about someone dying of prostate cancer and taking out a school bus and killing 32 children? (Just had to go one step further than the Tarago )

do enforcement agencies fine parents for knowingly feeding their kids macdonalds ( a choice the kids cant make) as vigourously as they fine motorists? how vigourously do the fine parents who no doubt still smoke around their kids (its illegal in a car)?

you might be able to argue these would be more benficial, but then again you probably couldnt hand out as many fines... oh well forget it...

[Naked Twin]

Thats certainly not what the Gobmint would have us believe, this is their justification for booking every poor bastard for exceeding the speed

There has to be a limit. Rightly or wrongly the limits have been set. We all know what those limits are. If we choose (and it is a choice) to exceed the limits and get caught, then suck it up and get over it. Want a 10km/h tolerance on the limits because you're such a shit rider you can't stick to the limits? Sure, reduce the speed limit by 20km/h and have your 10km/h tolerance.

Why bring an informed view to this.

I laugh when people say they can stick to 10kph over the speed limit but then say they shouldn't enforce the speed limit.

Simple if you are concerned about getting booked for going 3km over the speed limit slow down by 5km then you are covered. The reality is you can't argue a speeding fine as it is black and white. Either your speeding or your not. If you aren't aware that you are then you are bigger risk then those who knowingly do it. Second fact is if they didn't enforce it then people wouldn't obey it.

Supply and demand, the more supply of speeding drivers the more supply of ways to catch you. There is a time and place, be smart about it

[Strika]

The way they report itch is driver was travelling at speed.

That's not true.

How stupid do they think we are? Anyone who believes their propaganda is just sadly gullable!

So, you tow the anti-government line, call people who don't names, and offer nothing to the argument to support your side. Brilliant!

There are still more deaths each year from each of the below than the Aussie road toll...

Yes Mike, but when was the last time you heard about someone dying of prostate cancer and taking out a school bus and killing 32 children? (Just had to go one step further than the Tarago )

It perhaps isn't in S.A. I cannot comment on that, but a vic sen sgt who has been a mate a long time says differently. It also begs the question as to why the MCCNSW has been arguing this point about crash statistics in NSW for a long time.

As to your last comment, are the 32 children killed in the bus not counted in the road toll anymore?

[Glen]

The real issue that shits me is unrealistic or ridiculously low or constantly changing speed limits. eg the old Pacific Hwy's limit of 60km/h is stupidly low but.............. as an officer of the law informed me while we were discussing this (as he wrote my ticket out), noone who crashes up there is ever speeding. They always say I was doing the speed limit and whooshka, therefore the only answer is to reduce the speed limit.

We are our own worst enemy really

[seiko1]

I'm just happy speeding everywhere, if they catch me...good luck to em
I won't be complaining....cause I'll be to busy runnin
I sit on the limit where there are kids and traffic, but once out on open country roads................
Look out


Jimmy Crack Corn......

[Nelso]

i'm not saying that 40% of accidents are caused by speeding, i'm saying that of all the DEATHS that occur on our roads, around 40% of the DEATHS have speed as a contributing factor....

Contributing factor does not mean the cause of the accident. Case in point, idiot so drunk he cannot stand up drives home with another drunken idiot as a passenger with none of them wearing seatbelts. Drunken idiot travels at 80kph in a 70 zone and wanders off the road and hits a telegraph pole killing his mate. Speed is deemed to be a contributing factor despite it having no relevance to the cause of the accident which was clearly DUI and unrestrained passengers.

Because the statistics do not differentiate between where speed does and does not CAUSE accidents, the "contributing factor" statistic is invalid to your argument that speeding is dangerous. This, however, doesn't stop the government from manipulating the data in an attempt to justify their agenda, which is to send the message they are doing "something" to decrease the road toll while maintaining the steady flow of revenue that they are desperately relying on.

The site of the above mentioned crash is now a regular site for a speed camera car, but they put it on the other side of the road where it drops from an 80 zone to a 70 zone despite it being two lanes each way and no other accidents ever happening there. It's a simple case of manipulating data to justify your actions.

The reality is the flow of funds from speeding drivers is too attractive for the governments to let go of so they need to convince the population and those they will use to enforce the collection of those funds that it is in their best interest to keep doing it. In order to get this done they set up all kinds of systems including the methods of data collection to support their propaganda.

As Aardy has said many times, it is a voluntary tax, as you are choosing to break the speed limit, so let’s be realistic and admit that fining drivers for minor speeding offenses is more a way of taxing the population and less a way of controlling the road toll.

[QWAKA]

but 6,000,000 speeding infringements does not equal 6,000,000 fatal crashes!

Thats certainly not what the Gobmint would have us believe, this is their justification for booking every poor bastard for exceeding the speed
by 3 kph
Hasn't this thread become a mainly "justify it" thread.......

Next.....

at no time has the goverment ever stated or led us to believe that 6,000,000 fines equals 6,000,000 deaths. what they do tell us is that if you are involved in an accident that has speed as a contributing factor, you have a higher risk of serious injury or death.

[QWAKA]

i'm not saying that 40% of accidents are caused by speeding, i'm saying that of all the DEATHS that occur on our roads, around 40% of the DEATHS have speed as a contributing factor....

Contributing factor does not mean the cause of the accident. Case in point, idiot so drunk he cannot stand up drives home with another drunken idiot as a passenger with none of them wearing seatbelts. Drunken idiot travels at 80kph in a 70 zone and wanders off the road and hits a telegraph pole killing his mate. Speed is deemed to be a contributing factor despite it having no relevance to the cause of the accident which was clearly DUI and unrestrained passengers.

Because the statistics do not differentiate between where speed does and does not CAUSE accidents, the "contributing factor" statistic is invalid to your argument that speeding is dangerous. This, however, doesn't stop the government from manipulating the data in an attempt to justify their agenda, which is to send the message they are doing "something" to decrease the road toll while maintaining the steady flow of revenue that they are desperately relying on.

The site of the above mentioned crash is now a regular site for a speed camera car, but they put it on the other side of the road where it drops from an 80 zone to a 70 zone despite it being two lanes each way and no other accidents ever happening there. It's a simple case of manipulating data to justify your actions.

The reality is the flow of funds from speeding drivers is too attractive for the governments to let go of so they need to convince the population and those they will use to enforce the collection of those funds that it is in their best interest to keep doing it. In order to get this done they set up all kinds of systems including the methods of data collection to support their propaganda.

As Aardy has said many times, it is a voluntary tax, as you are choosing to break the speed limit, so let’s be realistic and admit that fining drivers for minor speeding offenses is more a way of taxing the population and less a way of controlling the road toll.

its more a point of, the faster you go the more it will hurt, goverment conspiracy or not

[Nosferatu]

87% of all statistics are made up.





What a large majority of the last 10 pages of posts have all had in common, is "CHOICE". We all choose to do whatever it is we do. If you choose to get behind the bars of your 190hp crotch rocket and do 200 through a school zone, don't blame the law if you get caught. They didn't hold a gun to your head and tell you you had to speed so they could book you. The "choice" you make is your own. We could all crap on for another 10 pages about how if the government was serious about reducing road tolls and speeding, then they would ban all cars with more than 50hp, fit the rest with electronic sensor governors so when they passed a speed limit sign the car would automatically slow down and not let you go above the posted speed, and only allow people between the ages of 35 to 50 to have a licence. However WE are the ones who buy the machines capable of doing 300kph. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members here have bikes capable of doing at least 260, but we are the ones who CHOOSE whether or not to do it. Blaming constant changes in speed zones doesn't let you off is you choose to ignore them. We should always be aware of our surroundings anyway, especially as bike riders, so you should be aware of a change in speed for any given stretch of road, It's up to you if you ignore it. Same goes for unmarked cars and bikes, cops hiding in the hills to catch you out, whatever. We're all aware that they do these things, and usually where their favourite hiding spots are. We then make the CHOICE to ride hard or go home.

Think about your choice next time you get booked for doing something stupid, you might find it's not the copper thats at fault.

[QWAKA]

87% of all statistics are made up.





What a large majority of the last 10 pages of posts have all had in common, is "CHOICE". We all choose to do whatever it is we do. If you choose to get behind the bars of your 190hp crotch rocket and do 200 through a school zone, don't blame the law if you get caught. They didn't hold a gun to your head and tell you you had to speed so they could book you. The "choice" you make is your own. We could all crap on for another 10 pages about how if the government was serious about reducing road tolls and speeding, then they would ban all cars with more than 50hp, fit the rest with electronic sensor governors so when they passed a speed limit sign the car would automatically slow down and not let you go above the posted speed, and only allow people between the ages of 35 to 50 to have a licence. However WE are the ones who buy the machines capable of doing 300kph. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members here have bikes capable of doing at least 260, but we are the ones who CHOOSE whether or not to do it. Blaming constant changes in speed zones doesn't let you off is you choose to ignore them. We should always be aware of our surroundings anyway, especially as bike riders, so you should be aware of a change in speed for any given stretch of road, It's up to you if you ignore it. Same goes for unmarked cars and bikes, cops hiding in the hills to catch you out, whatever. We're all aware that they do these things, and usually where their favourite hiding spots are. We then make the CHOICE to ride hard or go home.

Think about your choice next time you get booked for doing something stupid, you might find it's not the copper thats at fault.

+1, that was exactly the point i tried to make about 5 pages ago but was met with an barrage of its not fair, its all a conspiracy to make money, the police only pick on me because they are to gutless to catch real crims. and yes anyone can make up statistics, at least 16% of people know that Nice way to sum up the thread

[seiko1]

but 6,000,000 speeding infringements does not equal 6,000,000 fatal crashes!

Thats certainly not what the Gobmint would have us believe, this is their justification for booking every poor bastard for exceeding the speed
by 3 kph
Hasn't this thread become a mainly "justify it" thread.......

Next.....

at no time has the goverment ever stated or led us to believe that 6,000,000 fines equals 6,000,000 deaths. what they do tell us is that if you are involved in an accident that has speed as a contributing factor, you have a higher risk of serious injury or death.

No, No, No...the ad say's ............... "Speed Kills",
it does not say "excessive speed" or "inappropriate speed" or any other such shit.....
They always take the line "SPEED KILLS" when trying to justify gouging the general public.
They also say (as do many, many coppa's) that there is "No Excuse" for speeding and yet the PoPo can do the speed they please in the performance of their duties
as can Ambo's and Firey's.....
Therefore there are excuses!!!!!!! Ambo's and Firey's obviously have a legit excuse, but a PoPo doing 90 in a 60 to catch a bloke doing 70 in a 60 in order
to issue him with a fine is just Bullshit and NO EXCUSE for driving in what they consider to be "a dangerous manner".
I can tell you now.....even if the friggin pope runs down my child in our 50 zone while chasing some prick in order to gouge him......
Well.......you would definately read about it

anyway, think like I do or fuck off

[tim]

....yet the PoPo can do the speed they please in the performance of their duties
as can Ambo's and Firey's.....

there ya go, keep a copy of this in your wallet in case you get pulled over firey!