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I-K wrote:Not everything... just a hell of a lot more than you. If that wasn't the case, you'd be picking apart what I said in my previous reply to you and showing me what you think I got wrong.
Unfortunately I don't have enough time to stew on every word someone has said. Once I knock off work I'll have a better go at it ;)
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ross79 wrote:I guess every forum has to have a know it all :roll:
Yup, and on here, based on your performance so far, you come a lot closer to having the job than I do.
Now's your opportunity champ, please explain how this is the case?
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I don't see why you're arguing with I-K Ross. He's pretty much spot on with his views in my opinion. Sure, I have a ten, but as someone who rides one, I don't recommend them for someone who's just come off their L's. The thing about them is, THEY ARE UNFORGIVING. If you mess up, they let you know you've messed up in a big way. Something like a 600 is a lot more forgiving, however, potentially as dangerous.

I don't know how Kristy rides, or you ride. That's beside the point. What I can tell you is, as someone who owns and rides the bike in question, it's definitely not the best bike to hone your skillset on.
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ross79 wrote:
I-K wrote:
I guess every forum has to have a know it all :roll:
Yup, and on here, based on your performance so far, you come a lot closer to having the job than I do.
Now's your opportunity champ, please explain how this is the case?
See preceding discussion for details... you yourself said that you advised a n00b mate who was having trouble with his 250 turning in too fast for him that he'd be better off on a heavier bike because their "more planted" feel and "heavier steering" mean they don't have the same problem.

You misdiagnosed his problem and offered a solution by taking otherwise-correct information out of context... that's just about textbook know-it-all behaviour, isn't it? Shuffling around information you don't actually understand yourself?
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At the end of the day Kristy you will end up getting what YOU want, with/without advice/help, crticism or whatever.
It may end up being the right/wrong choice to get a 10, even now after owning a 10 since March i still sometimes wonder why i bought it.
I've had that thought with all vehicles/bikes i've owned over the years, and for an infinite number of reasons i'm still alive, while others i have known are not.
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I've been following this thread since it has started and comparing Kristy to myself. I've held my L's for about 3.5 years now and opted to leave my bike license like this until i could get my opens....which i will be due for in march 08 (thank you wonderful Q-Ride).

I've had my fun blats on 250's and have stopped enjoying it, for a while I had the intent of buying a 250 chookie which i could tear the dirt apart with and use for a-b on the road. However, thanks to a million reasons, I will be without a bike until the end of next year, which leaves me with my opens and doing nothing. This is beside the point.

I-K I have a question, and it's specifically your opinion I'm interested in.

I'm 20, and I have no chance of insuring a sports bike adequately, be it 1000 or 600. What i do have a chance of insuring is something like a CB600F or 900F (z750 would be fantastic but the old hornets are cheaper). The naked's are also a whole lot cheaper when it comes to plastics as i am perfectly aware that dropping it is bound to happen....mainly because after DH MTB, I like to push the equipment which i ride. As far as adrenaline related things go, DH MBT is no longer an option as broken arms and legs prevent me from doing martial arts and playing gridiron. Being who I am, although I am by my own account very responsible and sensible, I guarantee every moment I have, the bike will get a wrist-full.

The last criteria is that, the bike has to last 5 years as i promised myself a sports bike at 25 and am certain i will not upgrade whatever i buy until then.

Taking all this into account, is it better to have a 900F for this period or a 600F, will the 900 be too much and will I grow bored of the 600?
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Its all about how you ride it, you can quite easily kill your self on any bike might as well make it one with better brakes and handling. A learner killed himself on putty last weekend on a 250.
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ozten wrote:A learner killed himself on putty last weekend on a 250.
Fark! For real?
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I-K wrote:
Insane wrote:Gday guys,

I would just like to extend my consolations to the friends and relatives of the L plater on the (i think) GPX 250, who was riding the putty road today.

I was riding up, and was about 5 km out from the halfway house on the sydney side, I had stopped to have a break with my mate, and saw two L platers ride past. I gave them a nod and they pulled over and had a quick chat, before riding off. I then proceeded to follow them, about 5 minutes later.

about 3km out from the half way house, on a sharp right hander, It appears he lost control of his bike and landed into the armourail, causing his death.

I was one of the first on scene, and I am still shaken by what I found, it was a long ride back to newcastle.

So, my consolations again, his mate looked very shaken.

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poorbastard wrote:I-K I have a question, and it's specifically your opinion I'm interested in.

Taking all this into account, is it better to have a 900F for this period or a 600F, will the 900 be too much and will I grow bored of the 600?
Well, I haven't ridden either, so I can't talk about the sort of riding experience they offer directly; though, being Hondas, they'll probably be very efficient and polite. Honda stopped selling the Hornet 600 in Aussie in, ummm, 2001, and wasn't having much luck selling it before then, so there's bugger-all of them around, and the sort of sensible, commuting owner they attract tend to mean that few of them come up for sale because the people who have them hang on to them, and those that do get priced unrealistically because the people who have them don't tend to keep much of an ear to the used bike market.

Conversely, the Hornet 900 has sold really well since it lobbed around. Finding one of them for a good price is going to be a lot easier than a 600, not least because Honda let them go cheap from new. Ratmick's got one, Strika's had one. They should be able to give you an idea of what they're like to ride.

What's your budget, anyway, and what sorts of insurance quotes are you getting? I'm prejudiced against comp insurance because I see it as a ripoff and prefer to just spend the money which would otherwise go on the premium on keeping a second bike on the road. It fills the same purpose as insurance, but leaves you with something you can sell and make some of your money back if you need to.

Which brings me to this bit,
the bike has to last 5 years as i promised myself a sports bike at 25 and am certain i will not upgrade whatever i buy until then.
Consider this, for example... if you spend the next five years on a Hornet 900, when you do graduate up to a sportsbike, you won't know how to set up the suspension, because the Hornet doesn't have any adjustment. That's one big aspect of riding you'll be more stunted in than you need to be. Rather than just hang on to a middle-of-the-road naked, keep a stash of money handy and a roving eye out for anything which might be cheap enough and give you an insight into another face of riding.

Find a cheap XR400, buy it and try riding dirt.

Find an old R6 that's been down the road and is going for four grand; buy it, gaffer back the flapping fairing and there's your intro to sportsbikes right there. Throw it down the road and you'll sell it on as a "trackbike project" at less of a loss than the excess on an insurance claim'll be.

Find a VTR1000 that's got a million kms on it and which nobody wants to buy because of it; there won't be anything wrong with it, so buy it and find out about the V-twin thing, see how you like those apples.
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I-K wrote:Conversely, the Hornet 900 has sold really well since it lobbed around. Finding one of them for a good price is going to be a lot easier than a 600, not least because Honda let them go cheap from new. Ratmick's got one, Strika's had one. They should be able to give you an idea of what they're like to ride.
I'm not going to weigh into the topic of the original thread, but I have been watching it with much private amusement. I will however offer my thoughts on the CB900F6 I am currently riding, but first a bit of background so you can see where I'm coming from...

The Hornet is my third bike in ummm...7 years. I started riding at an advanced age (I'm now 43) long after the testosterone I had as a young man had been leached out of me. If anything I am probably too sensible (i.e. boring ;)) and as a father of three, very conscious of my shortcomings and the consequences thereof.

I started out small on a GPX250R. I bought new with the intention of keeping it. It lasted 10,000km/16 months, the impetus for selling was that it was way too buzzy at highway speeds and the shitty seat made my old saggy arse go numb. My next bike was a second-hand ZZR600. I kept the old girl for 4.5 years, we did 45,000km together, it was a fantastic second bike, it shat all over the GPX in every way possible while still being stable enough to be forgiving when things went pear-shaped. Its only vices were it was too heavy and a bit of a handful at very low speed for a shortarse. I sold that at 65,000km as it was showing its age and I was sick of shaking gravel out of the fairing.

I've had the Hornet since last December, but haven't done much on her and she's probably not even run-in yet. It's a great bike for a relatively cheap price, and it shows in the suspension, which is a bit pogo-y at a spirited pace. I had mine lowered/revalved and this behaviour is now gone, but this cost $500. The engine is a detuned 919cc Fireblade engine from a few years back and is fuel-injected. The throttle is not very forgiving of a lack of finesse and is a bit like a light switch at low speeds, i.e. it's off and then suddenly it's on. This is quite manageable after you've made a few slingshot starts and know what to expect, and a PCIII is meant to smooth that out. Apart from that the Hornet is a well-made (albeit slightly bland) bike and it suits me and my riding 'style'...for the want of a better word. It goes like the clappers if you wind it open, as she's about 10-20kg lighter than my ZZR and the power curve is back towards the sane end of the spectrum. A minor issue is the exhaust note is way too quiet for what's left of the hoon in me 8).

Feel free to PM me if you'd like any more info, they're quite a popular bike in the US and UK, I can point you at a few sites.

thks, Mick

PS> Sorry for the thread hijack :oops:
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This thread is an early contender for 'Thread of the Year 2007'...... ;)

Keep up the good work everyone !!

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Getting on a VFR800 is nothing like getting on a ZX10R. The VFR has about 100bhp and 205Kg, a power to weight ratio of 0.5 to 1. The ZX10 has a power to weight ratio of almost 1:1 (over 1:1 on the 07 with ram air in fully flow). The VFR will forgive you if you stuff up a bit, the 10 is far more harsh.

Statically the group most likely to die on the road are 17-25, closely followed by 26-35 year olds. The younger riders die more due to inexperience, and the mid life crisis riders getting back into biking bolster up the 30 somthings. The more powerful bike you ride, the more likely you are to have a single vehicle crash. So being in the youngest catagory and on the most powerful machine gives you the highest chance of being killed on a bike - according to government statistics (http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2007/mrf_2006.aspx" target="_blank" target="_blank).

I believe the point of many replies in this thread were to stop you becoming a statistic. The ZX10R is a full on race bike with reg plates, just a few years ago, world superbike champions would have given anything to get their hands on that much power. There are reasons you wouldn't let an P plate driver behind the wheel of a V8 super car on the street, yet you can have a bike that will leave the V8 super car standing (except through tight corners due to grip). I fear for your saftey and that of road users around you.
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The dirt bike is a very open option and I will most likely end up with one to fulfill my need for some crazy weekends.

Thanks for he help I-K, I hadn't thought about the old R6's and VTR, will have to look into this as I can honestly say that I didn't consider this end of the spectrum at all. Aside from turning it into a track bike when i bin it...could always try for a street-fighter too :twisted:

Mick, cheers for the input, have left you a pm so we can stop hi-jacking the thread ;)
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I-K wrote:Consider this, for example... if you spend the next five years on a Hornet 900, when you do graduate up to a sportsbike, you won't know how to set up the suspension, because the Hornet doesn't have any adjustment. That's one big aspect of riding you'll be more stunted in than you need to be. Rather than just hang on to a middle-of-the-road naked, keep a stash of money handy and a roving eye out for anything which might be cheap enough and give you an insight into another face of riding.
Not quite true unless you buy quite an older '02/'03 Hornet, the '04-onwards bikes have adjustable preload and rebound damping on the front and adjustable rebound damping on the rear shock 8).
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Ratmick wrote:
I-K wrote:Consider this, for example... if you spend the next five years on a Hornet 900, when you do graduate up to a sportsbike, you won't know how to set up the suspension, because the Hornet doesn't have any adjustment...
Not quite true unless you buy quite an older '02/'03 Hornet, the '04-onwards bikes have adjustable preload and rebound damping on the front and adjustable rebound damping on the rear shock 8).
Well, there you go... shows how much attention I pay. I should probably read more bikemags...
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