$50 levy press release from Dennis Napthine (Lib politician)

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$50 levy press release from Dennis Napthine (Lib politician)

Postby mick_dundee » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:52 pm

No political forum here per se so posting it in the general section for those that care to read it. It's a Victorian thing so if you're not a Mexican it doesn't really concern you, lucky sods :)

BRACKS TAXES MOTORCYCLES WHILE RIDERS DIE

The State Government’s $53.90 motorcycle levy has been exposed as a simply another unfair tax after the number of motorcyclists killed on Victorian roads increased this year.

Member for South West Coast Denis Napthine said the Bracks Motorcycle Tax had failed spectacularly to curb the numbers of motorcycle riders being killed on the state’s roads.

“When the Bracks Labor Government introduced the tax three years ago at a flat $50, it was supposedly to fund initiatives to reduce the motorcycle road toll,” Dr Napthine said.

“Earlier this year, the Government announced that this hidden tax – which does not appear on motorcycle registration forms and is not paid by any other motor vehicle user – would not only be extended a further two years but would also increase to $53.90. This increase from $50 to $53.90 is an 8.0 per cent jump in the Bracks Motorcycle Tax and is well above the current national CPI. It is completely unjustified given the lack of safety results for motorcyclists.

“Despite the Bracks Labor Government using stealth to secretly dip even further into the pockets of motorcycle riders, the number of motorcyclists killed to date this year is 24% higher than for ALL of last year.

“Latest figure show 34 motorcyclists were killed in 2004, compared with 42 for the year to date in 2005. Sadly, the year isn’t even finished yet and we’re coming into the time of the year when the greatest numbers of motorcycles are out on the road – the summer holidays.

“This means that the Bracks Labor Government’s $53.90 hidden motorcycle tax has been exposed for the costly sham that it really is. Motorcycle riders are having $53.90 spirited out of their pockets by stealth by this money-hungry Bracks Labor Government, and yet even more motorcyclists are dying on our roads.

“No wonder literally hundreds of thousands of motorcycle riders throughout Victoria are feeling ripped off by this Bracks Labor Government …

Motorcyclists are hit by hidden $53.90 registration taxes;
Motorcyclists are posted nonsensical, high-cost glossy brochures telling them what a good job the Bracks Labor Government is doing protecting them;

Motorcyclists’ lives are placed in even greater danger by the Bracks Labor Government placing deadly wire rope barriers (shredders) far too close to the sides of roads from one end of Victoria to the next;

Motorcyclists are not seeing any actual road improvements which might make riding motorcycles safer and;
Motorcyclists are dying on our roads in even greater numbers.

“Is it any wonder that the owners and riders of Victoria’s 107,581 registered motorcycles (as of March 2005) are getting sick and tired of the money-grabbing Bracks Labor Government?” Dr Napthine asked.

“Labor does not care about motorcyclists beyond the fact that they are yet another target for revenue-raising. No other vehicle users in Victoria have to pay a hidden tax on their registrations but motorcyclists do – and they’re getting precious little in return for it.

“Unless you count an increasing road toll …”
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Postby Stereo » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:55 pm

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Postby Stereo » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:57 pm

That whole blackspot thing is BOLLOCKS!!!

You go into the supposed blackspot.... Im sure it is a blackspot... so sure... put a sign in the corner... thats fine too... BUT THE ROAD SURFACE SUCKS...

Want to reduce deaths in "blackspots"... fix the stupid bloody roads!!!

but no... all they do is put up a sign...
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Postby Stereo » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:59 pm

53 motorcyclists die a year in Victoria....

the levy raises $5,671,000.00 dollars...

Surely with that money they can do something better than put a sign down saying "black spot"
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Postby Barrabob » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:11 pm

Don’t know if the policy makers and politicians know it yet but you can’t stop the road toll you could bring back the horse and cart for all and there would still be road deaths.

The tax sounds a little unfair but maybe if it came with physical training it might stop a few and there’s always someone that wants to ride home pissed that winds up a statistic.

I don’t think that over regulating the licensing end of it is the answer both because if they make it too hard for people to get a licence they will ride without one and how do you regulate a rider without a license or rego for that matter.

I still think they should make them retest for there opens and lets be real make car drivers do it too, including a skidpan test for the car drivers and a bit of a cone course or a track day for the riders up the side of a hill with some odd cambers and flip flops.

Dont forget to add some water ,gravel, potholes and witches hats thrown in around the back of some 270 degree bends that the instucters forgot to tell ya about. :D :D

and we could call that the advanced course you need to complete before you can go over a certain kw/kg rating.

ohh its free if you have a licence the idea is to save lives not make money.
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Postby Smitty » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:11 pm

beryl wrote:....
The tax sounds a little unfair but maybe if it came with physical training it might stop a few and there’s always someone that wants to ride home pissed that winds up a statistic.

I don’t think that over regulating the licensing end of it is the answer both because if they make it too hard for people to get a licence they will ride without one and how do you regulate a rider without a license or rego for that matter.



beryl

you sorta touched on the problem there

what Mick does not mention
nor the the farkers stealing our money is.....
the majority of deaths/accidents (Vic Police/Vicroads stats)
are from unriders....
yep those with no licence or no training
and who also have a habit of not wearing a helmet

no $53.90 on your rego or signs saying 'blackspot' (pimple anyone? :twisted: )
is gunna stop these clowns

the Bracks taxoffice can rip us all they want
but bad road design, poor placement of road side furniture (read poles and trees) bad road surfaces and WRBs will not help the bike toll
all the tax does is give the pollies a nice warm feeling
...same as pissing in ya pants

better driver licencing, better roads, better road marking
and effective policing to stop unriders will reduce the bike toll
and those measures should be collected from ALL road users

and while I am at it.... what about the 50+ cyclists
who won't see 2006? no BRACKS TAX for them

ok, off the soapbox


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Postby photomike666 » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:13 pm

I regularly see signs on the freeway saying "watch for motorcycles", there has been a number of radio and TV campaigns asking motorists to look out for motorcycles. These ads will have been paid for by this tax. And running Radio & TV ads is not cheap.

I agree signs telling me I'm in a high risk area are a waste of money. It's a twisty road and I'm out for a quick ride, so yeah, No Shit! And I would love to see every road have the best quality, grippy, blemish free surface. Unfortunatley this would not curb motorcycle deaths on twisty roads. It may even increase them :shock: How? By riders thinking, "this is great, there's so much grip - I can go faster, ooooooooh farkkkkkkkkk.

What I would like to see is white lines given a texture so they are no longer slippery. I would like all motorcycle clothing to be classed as saftey gear and given a standard to pass. Then we could buy kit knowing it would do the job, and not hope that is has double stiching and abrasion resistance in the right areas.

I have had 2 accidnets on the road, both cars turning right from side roads. I wore full kit and walked away; both bikes were written off.
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Postby Stereo » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:18 pm

Agreed... they should regulate jackets you are allowed to wear on bikes... and make gloves compulsary while at it...
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Postby MrStompy » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:56 pm

open race tracks on weekends and charge people a token amount to ride them. eg $30 a day.

get it out of your system in a controlled environment.

I know i wouldnt bother going through most of the roads around here risking life when i can go to a track on the weekend and not pay out my ass for it.

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how come we dont protest more....

i wanna protest.

Lets do a toll protest while we are at it.
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Postby I-K » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:32 pm

If Dr Naphtine really feels the rego surcharge is such a travesty, why does his press release not say that, if elected, his party would repeal it?

As far as vote-grabs go, this one's pretty faken piss-poor...
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Postby Barrabob » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:38 pm

Well i think they should train riders to ride on roads like this because thats how the supply them.



but bad road design, poor placement of road side furniture (read poles and trees) bad road surfaces and WRBs will not help the bike toll


And i have sampled a goodly amount of the roads around the country and i would say without too much bias that we have one of the most dangerous right here in the mount nebo/mtglourious road it makes the gor look like a pleasant morning ride(which it is) and the oph look pretty placid as well ( be ware of the wildlife) :shock: .

Its just clowns going flat out and overcooking it...so if ya want or need 150 hp for the road in a 170kg bike make them train and show competancy...cause no one i know isnt going to ride this style of thing slowly or on two wheels and occaisonallly they have a whoopsies that ends at the morge and then the polies and coppers want to make the road safe again....and we all suffer but that wont worry the guy at the morge

so as i have said all along the roads are safe and the bikes are safe but the operaters talent runs out some times and some better training in a format that is acceptable to riders would be good they can soon separate the good the bad and the ugly at a training day.

by the way this is just how i think it should be I know theres plenty of guys out there that can ride rings around me and have been doing it for a lot longer.
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Postby Stereo » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:41 pm

mrstompy wrote:Lets do a toll protest while we are at it.


We pay tolls?
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Postby Smitty » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:22 pm

StereoHead wrote:
mrstompy wrote:Lets do a toll protest while we are at it.


We pay tolls?


yep
coming to you shortly
here in Vic
courtesy of the road tax duo... Bracks and Batchelor

bikes wll be tolled on the Eastlink
(despite lil' johnny contributing a third)
and next will be shittylink
the tolls are there, but the cameras are not

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Postby aardvark » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:42 pm

As far as I can tell, there are two types of accidents that cause motorcyclist fatalities.

1) Those caused by other vehicles
2) Rider error

How do we fix no 1? Education is certainly a start but I would like to know how many accidents involving a car and a bike are because the motorcyclist is doing something they shouldn't be?

Having said that, even on my big shiny white BMW I have to take evasive action to avoid moronic drivers. I get the liberty of being able to stop and berate these idiots and normally get the SMIDSY (Sorry Mate I Didn't See You) response. It would seem that the government are already spending money on the education side of things but is it really helping?

As for number 2, I see 3 options. Change riders attitude, extra policing, extra training.

I'm not sure how governments go about changing the attitudes of motorcyclists. The problem is and always has been the "It wont happen to me" mentality. As for extra training, training costs a lot of money and the $50 a year levy is not going to provide enough of the required training to stop deaths. And with extra training, a lot of riders will develop the "I'm indestrucible" attitude.

So, we get stuck with extra policing. More cameras, more coppers, more people getting nicked each day. It's all well and good to say get rid of WRB's, fix the roads, do this, do that, but at the end of the day if most riders were doing the right thing and riding to the conditions, the accidents wouldn't occur.

With the rate at which bikes are increasing in performance and the number of new and returned riders jumping on these bikes, it's really no wonder that people are dying.
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Postby Steve_TLS » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:53 pm

Any road improvements should be funded by normal road taxes, not our levy. Any road works done benefit all road users. Motorcycle black spot or not.

Speed limit reduction and over policing on the GOR will decrease the accident rate. The tax will take the credit for it and no mention of the other things. Same for the hills. Over police the Black and Reefton Spurs, slow bikes down with police presence and give credit to the tax for it.

How does any of it benefit chook chaser riding bush bashers with registered bikes over 126cc?

And just because they stopped itemising it and just incorporated it in the cost of rego they think we'll forget it's there?

I'd like to see them try and introduce a $50 levy on all 4WD vehicles in the name of state forest conservation :shock: Oh no, then there would be a voter backlash they couldn't handle.
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