Tyre Wear

[Strika]

As one of the imbeciles who mixes front and rear tyres, all the time, I am a little unsure of how Madfab arrived at that opinion, but I have never had a problem. I guess it comes down to using some common sense to choose the tyres in the first place, and maybe some riding ability. But meh! What would I know?

[MadFab]

obviously more than the guys who make them !

fab

[photomike666]

Wern't some of the Aus Super teams running mixed brands as one front was superior?

[Strika]

Wern't some of the Aus Super teams running mixed brands as one front was superior?

Apparently some of the Michelin SS guys, have been secretly running a Bridgestone front, and a Michelin rear. But once again what would they know. BTW, I have run different tyres front and rear, on manufacturers advice on occassion too. But what would they Know hey!

[Rossi]

Brett,
I ain't tried the Shinko's yet but I have heard they stick like shit to a blanket for the first 3000 k's but get decidedly slippery after that............. but at that price who gives a rat's ?

[scotty]

hi all,
i have shinko 003 rapid warm ups front and rear been on since 03/05(minus the month holiday) and most of you know how i ride still going ok still have a couple mm before getting thrown off for some newies will put kay's on here when i do.

(brett knows how well they stick in the wet dont you?)

rossi,
i was a bit sceptical at first but i do have to say mine dont slip yet and they do get a bit of a work out?the best thing about them is you can luanch the front from the driveway and they just hang on and throw the front up nice

at the price i dont think you can go wrong go the shinko's 003.....my2c

[sneakypete]

Pontikat Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:36 am Post subject:

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So Jas your getting better milage out of Powers then the Bridgies ?.

I also updated initail post But a Certain bloke has just recieved a special order of Shinko 003 (both soft n supersoft) at the unbeatable price of under $300 a pair fitted.
So guess whats going on "tiggr" next week. *I wonder if my half used front 012 SS will work with a Shinko 003 Rear ? ....... hmmmmm .

Cheers Brett

I have used the shinko's and will say that if you want good mileage on a daily commuter.... go for it, they will do the job nicely.
but i wouldn't suggest taking them out "corner carving"... . the feedback from the tyre is nowhere near as good as the big brands. IMHO

Strika Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject:

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photomike666 wrote:
Wern't some of the Aus Super teams running mixed brands as one front was superior?


Apparently some of the Michelin SS guys, have been secretly running a Bridgestone front, and a Michelin rear. But once again what would they know. BTW, I have run different tyres front and rear, on manufacturers advice on occassion too. But what would they Know hey!

i can confirm this. it has been going on for ages. i have changed many a front tyre for a racer at meetings, but without the rear... its a common combo for them to run.
ithas been known widely for a while that the bridgey front is superior to the michelin, but the rear was lacking in comparison. so, the racers would quite often run a Bridgestone front & Michelin rear. my mate did this and he came 3rd in ASC 250GP class.
mind you, the Bridgestone slick now is probably on par with Michelin.

[MadFab]

please let me clarify
why the fuck do you imbeciles(all 99.9 % of us mere fucking mortals who do not have god given talent or are given advice by the tyre manufacturers )still insist on mixing tyres of different profiles & brands on advisment from some tyre "mechanic" ( whose parents were probably blood related ).
the people from dunlop , michelin etc. obviously are stupid idiots because they make road tyres as a set front & rear , dickheads, we now know that tyres should be matched by price tag or whatever the fuck he can buy cheap!
riders do not us slicks on the road, so they do not count .

there are probably very few members of this forum with the ability or talent to use tyres to there limits......really how many of you guys think you are that good ?

if you are i am sure there is a skinny italian prick on a yamaha who would teach you the error in your thinking.

i have read many times on this forum many members saying this tyre is better than that one , so fool said pilot powers sucked because they puncture easily ......i have seen a particular member get 2 flats on powers inside 1000 k's , then i got 15000 k's on powers and touch wood no flats so far, we ride the same roads & he has flatted in my presence , he just has bad luck.
some people get huge kilometers from certain tyres i get 2-3000 k's from a rear power& i am very happy with that.
these tyres suit me & my slow style.
but i run them as a set .

so all in all, tyres are subjective as none of use are experts shouldnt we follow the advice of the manufacturers !

i have ridden on road tyres & slicks on the track and i feel there is no comparison , but this is about road tyres .


so all you armchair experts unless you are a competitive superstock racer who makes his living on road tyres ! get stuffed

fab

[Strika]

please let me clarify
why the fuck do you imbeciles(all 99.9 % of us mere fucking mortals who do not have god given talent or are given advice by the tyre manufacturers )still insist on mixing tyres of different profiles & brands on advisment from some tyre "mechanic" ( whose parents were probably blood related ).

I spoke with my wife about this, and she swears black and blue it was only me and not our other brother! But hey look you may consider me an imbicile, it's really OK with me. however it may be prudent to just take perhaps a little more balanced view on this and perhaps maybe learn something. Sure some tyre combinations don't work well. And some work great. Just like some brand new sets of rubber from one brand work OK but the other brand in that segment is crap. How do you know whats what???? Maybe ask someone who would be happy to share their experience and knowledge??? Maybe put up a post in here that only members with more knowledge and understanding than you can reply to. Once you have read the three thousand replies, you may then have a clue.
i have read many times on this forum many members saying this tyre is better than that one ,

They probably just posted their opinion, because that is partially what a forum is all about. Just be prepared however, as often, others' opinions can differ from yours. Unfortunately they didn't actually build this earth nor it's inhabitants based around you.



so all in all, tyres are subjective as none of use are experts shouldnt we follow the advice of the manufacturers !


Do you run the same OEM tyres as came with the bike??? Have you altered from standard any part of your motorcycle??? If you have, then why havn't you followed your own advice???
i have ridden on road tyres & slicks on the track and i feel there is no comparison , but this is about road tyres .

Woopee for you...and about 5 million other motorcyclists who have done the same. Ten years ago I may have agreed with you on this one, however the modern SS race tyres are just unbelievable. Very close to slick grip.


so all you armchair experts unless you are a competitive superstock racer who makes his living on road tyres ! get stuffed

fab

[b]I don't race superstock, but i race on DOT rubber and am competitive. So thanks at least for not telling me to get stuffed as well as calling me an imbecile! [/b]

[MadFab]

i will cop that,
but as for the rest of you wankers

fab

[Barrabob]

I am no expert but the voices tell me that if i have to ride halfway across the country and back again i can forgo the grip at full lean and go for something steel belted(BT014/bt020) that will survive enough to allow me to plug it to get me to the next place that sells tyres.

These worked out ok for the 6r but it was loaded with me and rack and 2 bags chokas with stuff probably 145 kg but wouldnt really recomend it for a six if you want loads of grip with a lighter rider 6000kms front half worn and back 1/2 worn they have another pi trip left in them yet.


This is better than something that i have seen a couple of times with non repairable tears in them which would be the powers but hey there still a shit hot thing if your only going a couple of hundred kms from home.

I dont mix brands front and rear with a street tyre but i might mix models if its going to work out better for me.

The slicks i will just take them as i find them and the cheaper the better so long as they last a day.

[Neilp]

What is often forgotten regarding motorcycle tyre shops is the fact that they are usually tied in some way or specialise in one brand maybe two.
But they are after all salesmen or women, they are there to take your money off you one way or another, usually trying to sell you the motorcyclist the product that will make them the most amount of money.
That is how business works, yes there are some who say they can reccomend this tyre and that tyre, but how many of them actually have your interests 100% in their sights when they are going through their sales pitch.
I realise I am generalising here to a degree, so before you jump down my throat just think about what I have said here.

Neil

[sneakypete]

Fire up Madfab!!!!

there are probably very few members of this forum with the ability or talent to use tyres to there limits......really how many of you guys think you are that good ?

I think i'm that good... but i can't prove it yet

whilst there IS a noticeable difference in performance and feel between slicks and treaded tyres, i shoulda left slicks outta this..... its about roadie tyres, you're right. so, therefore, it doesn't make F#ck All difference if you have a different brand front & rear, go with the ... ahh why bother.......

[Gosling1]

Well after 6,600km, the rear 208 has finally cried *enough*, and will be replaced on Monday, with a Corsa........and before you bag me for having 2 different brands Fab, I will happily admit to doing this over a couple of decades of riding, whenever it is required or whenever it suits me.

I found the Dunlop quite good. I know a lot of people bag the 208's, but during the last 6 months, it only let go once, and that was pilot error (fanning the clutch in 2nd, while still leaning over ). Apart from that, it worked great, no slides, no *moments* while playing, able to leave blackies no worries, heh I am pretty happy with it.

But, I am quite keen to see how the Corsa stands up to the daily grind (50km nice surface) and the weekends playing It has a good reputation, so it will be good to see for myself how it goes.....

The front 208 is probably 60% gawn, and that *should * mean that both tyres will need replacement during the first 1/2 of next year. At this point, I will be able to do a replacement with a set of *matched* tyres, which won't make a zot of difference to my commuting times , but would probably get me around EC a couple of seconds quicker *yawn*.

BTW I am quite happy to consider myself one of those *apparently* few riders able to use a tyre to its limits, sure not everyone on here can lap QR as fast as *some* people, but fast lap times do not automatically make you a Tyre Expert it just means you can ride fast........and spent squillions on setting up your bike

cheerio
RoundBlackAndInflatedDave

[MadKaw]

you guys... ...

Cambo, I know you work for whites, the Bridgestone dealer, but unless they has been some changes in the last 12 months, I don't believe the Bridgestone slicks are as good as the Michelins or Dunlops - on anything larger than a 600 anway.... I have ridden on all of em and, to be honest the Bridgestones just didn't cut it... for me that is..
I found the front profile too low and rounded and wouldn't give the sharpness and corner grip that I could get out of a 70 or 75 series dunlop.
The rears were ok but would not grip as good as the others and they would not last as long either. I could take the others down till there was no dot showing and they still gripped. Although I will say the Pirelli slick was probly worse as far as longevity goes...
How many riders in the Aus Superbikes are on Bridgestones compared to the other brands.??
The Bridgies are great value though and it all comes down to riding styles and set up. For me the proof was in the timing.. Fastest laps on Bridgies - 1:42, fastest lap on Dunlops 1:40...

Oh and in reference to road tyres, I would never mix brands or types either.. Unless it was a race front and power rear or similar...

But I wouldn't be so arrogant to tell others what to do either...

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