Being A Member Of A Motorcycle Club Is Now Illegal

[aardvark]

So which is it mate, fair and reasonable, or purely based on if you like them or not????

Marty, Marty, Marty... what?

Hang on, you say it's a load of shit, followed by a winking icon and a laughing icon. So, is it a load of shit, or isn't it? I'm confused.

I'll assume you are serious and go ahead and answer the question.

Being fair and reasonable has everything to do with them being a smartarse. Sure, some things, like children not wearing seatbelts, are going to get a ticket regardless of behaviour. Others, like the pushing the bike unregistered along the footpath example, will often come down to attitude. If the person is reasonable, then I will consider them to be more responsive to a caution than someone who is nothing more than a head full of smart arse comments. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp. Is it?

I suspose to be truly fair, everyone would get the ticket as per the letter of the law. But then, I'd never make it into the office. Every jackass who fails to indicate, travels over the speed limit by 1km/h, cuts across the end of a solid white line, speeds up when being overtaken, sits in the right hand lane etc, would cop a ticket. That's both ridiculous and unreasonable.

[hoffy]

TODY

[Sulli]

I suspose to be truly fair, everyone would get the ticket as per the letter of the law. But then, I'd never make it into the office. Every jackass who fails to indicate, travels over the speed limit by 1km/h, cuts across the end of a solid white line, speeds up when being overtaken, sits in the right hand lane etc, would cop a ticket. That's both ridiculous and unreasonable.

So think about this The Australian road rules are

both ridiculous and unreasonable.

This leaves the laws open to personal interpretation on behalf of the officer, that's one hell of a decision for one person
Especially if that person who doesn't get booked today kills in an accident tomorrow.

Just playing devils advocate

[aardvark]

I suspose to be truly fair, everyone would get the ticket as per the letter of the law. But then, I'd never make it into the office. Every jackass who fails to indicate, travels over the speed limit by 1km/h, cuts across the end of a solid white line, speeds up when being overtaken, sits in the right hand lane etc, would cop a ticket. That's both ridiculous and unreasonable.

So think about this The Australian road rules are

Like any good journalist you take what I've said completely out of context and apply it to the totally wrong subject. Good work.

both ridiculous and unreasonable.

This leaves the laws open to personal interpretation on behalf of the officer, that's one hell of a decision for one person
Especially if that person who doesn't get booked today kills in an accident tomorrow.

Just playing devils advocate

Nope, it's well within any police officers rights of discretion to either arrest, report or caution for an offence. There is no personal interpretation of the law, only of the action they take regarding that law being broken.

Of course there are no facts to back me up, but I'd suggest that those who are either killed, or kill, in an accident broke at least one traffic law the day before.

[Stace]

And I have had a few kerbside chats

Was the Judges comment "Appalling driving record" Mr Newton???n (i think i've sugar coated the actual comment somewhat)

[aardvark]

And I have had a few kerbside chats

Was the Judges comment "Appalling driving record" Mr Newton???n (i think i've sugar coated the actual comment somewhat)

"According to your driver's licence, you aren't Valentino Rossi. How about you stop riding like you think you are him." ??

[Sulli]

I suspose to be truly fair, everyone would get the ticket as per the letter of the law. But then, I'd never make it into the office. Every jackass who fails to indicate, travels over the speed limit by 1km/h, cuts across the end of a solid white line, speeds up when being overtaken, sits in the right hand lane etc, would cop a ticket. That's both ridiculous and unreasonable.

So think about this The Australian road rules are

Like any good journalist you take what I've said completely out of context and apply it to the totally wrong subject. Good work.

both ridiculous and unreasonable.

This leaves the laws open to personal interpretation on behalf of the officer, that's one hell of a decision for one person
Especially if that person who doesn't get booked today kills in an accident tomorrow.

Just playing devils advocate

Nope, it's well within any police officers rights of discretion to either arrest, report or caution for an offence. There is no personal interpretation of the law, only of the action they take regarding that law being broken.

Of course there are no facts to back me up, but I'd suggest that those who are either killed, or kill, in an accident broke at least one traffic law the day before.

Sorry my bad choice of words replace interpretation with discretion in the above post
There is no personal interpretation of the law, only personal discretion of the penalty ???
Every body is a potential road trauma victim unfortunately regardless of driving record

[Strika]

So which is it mate, fair and reasonable, or purely based on if you like them or not????

Marty, Marty, Marty... what?

Hang on, you say it's a load of shit, followed by a winking icon and a laughing icon. So, is it a load of shit, or isn't it? I'm confused.

I'll assume you are serious and go ahead and answer the question.

Being fair and reasonable has everything to do with them being a smartarse. Sure, some things, like children not wearing seatbelts, are going to get a ticket regardless of behaviour. Others, like the pushing the bike unregistered along the footpath example, will often come down to attitude. If the person is reasonable, then I will consider them to be more responsive to a caution than someone who is nothing more than a head full of smart arse comments. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp. Is it?

I suspose to be truly fair, everyone would get the ticket as per the letter of the law. But then, I'd never make it into the office. Every jackass who fails to indicate, travels over the speed limit by 1km/h, cuts across the end of a solid white line, speeds up when being overtaken, sits in the right hand lane etc, would cop a ticket. That's both ridiculous and unreasonable.

The load of shit comment was a pistake mate. It's what you said in your previous post ya nong!!!

The remainder though I still stand by. I would have thought that you had more important things to worry about than some person pushing a motorcycle along a footpath and I can't believe that you would even consider wasting your time on such a petty thing. I was actually suprised that you took that line. I expected that you would have said what my mate who works here in Vic said when I threw this scenario at him tonight at dinner...... " I've got better things to do than bother some poor sod pushing a motorcycle along a footpath"

[Stace]

And I have had a few kerbside chats

Was the Judges comment "Appalling driving record" Mr Newton???n (i think i've sugar coated the actual comment somewhat)

"According to your driver's licence, you aren't Valentino Rossi. How about you stop riding like you think you are him." ??

You been checking me out mate?

[Nosferatu]

Sounds like the violence is about to start in here. Someone really needs to do something about all these bloody bikies!!! Where are the cops when you need them.........oh, there he is

[robracer]

You been checking me out mate?

Guess its an open file at the local cop shop

[Jonno]

[aardvark]

I would have thought that you had more important things to worry about than some person pushing a motorcycle along a footpath and I can't believe that you would even consider wasting your time on such a petty thing.

No dramas. Next time I see some bloke pushing your stolen bike along the footpath, I'll just ignore it, because you're right, I've got better things to do.

Or what about the guy that starts crossing the road with his unregistered/uninsured motorbike, and does so, right in front of another motorcyclist coming down the road. The poor bastard pushing the bike suddenly has an insurance company on his arse, looking to chase up the medical bills. Had the bike been registered, or the pusher just been a pedestrian, it'd be a different story.

Things always look simple on the surface mate, but sometimes they can turn to shit.

[Strika]

I would have thought that you had more important things to worry about than some person pushing a motorcycle along a footpath and I can't believe that you would even consider wasting your time on such a petty thing.

No dramas. Next time I see some bloke pushing your stolen bike along the footpath, I'll just ignore it, because you're right, I've got better things to do.

Or what about the guy that starts crossing the road with his unregistered/uninsured motorbike, and does so, right in front of another motorcyclist coming down the road. The poor bastard pushing the bike suddenly has an insurance company on his arse, looking to chase up the medical bills. Had the bike been registered, or the pusher just been a pedestrian, it'd be a different story.

Things always look simple on the surface mate, but sometimes they can turn to shit.

Faark howlong is that bow you're drawing Jase??????


I find no petty behaviour in an officer having a chat with the person to see what they are up to; but writing an infringement notice for it, assuming it is their bike and not stolen, just because you didn't like their attitude, suggests your metering of the law is not fair and equitable as you state..but more personal!

As I mentioned in my previous post, I ran this one by a mate who is on the job here in Vic, he had a totally differrent attitude towards it is all!!!!

[DaBigfella]

When day in and day out you approach various "minor" offences the "attitude" test is a big deal on how the person commiting the offence will walk away from the situation. I have spoken to many people who say, "sorry mate, i realise i'm doing the wrong thing, but it was the easiest way to handle a bad situation, i never usually do it and i am sorry'.... Which to me shows that the person knows right from wrong, even in a minor way, tries any other avenue, but may cut the odd corner. But then you hear, "fuck off, i'm not hurting anyone, get a real fuckin job, go find the real criminals, i do this all the time and none ever gets hurt" or whatever proves they think wrong is right all the time and by luck no concequence has been paid by the wrong doing. That is part of discretion or good judgement or whatever you wish to call it and as aardy says no matter how small you think an offence is, our job is detecting offences and dealing with them, to not is to not do our job to the best of our ability, something i have pride in doing.....