Being A Member Of A Motorcycle Club Is Now Illegal

[Cath]

Do yourself a favour and read up on the act, then you can say you are informed, secondly read up on the fathers day massacre that happened in Milperra in Sydney nearly 20 years ago

Have you read the act?
I did read up on the act and consider myself informed. And, though this is the first mention you've made of it, I actually was in Milperra when the Father's Day Massacre occured, with helicopters circling, and police telling us to lock ourselves inside our house and stay down. Yet you haven't responded to my post - you only respond to others telling them to read the act. Any reponse to someone who has?

Any response to my post, summarising the act and the concerns that I still have after reading it? Any opinion whatsoever on the possibility for abuse? I personally think a lot of what's been said on both sides is utter crap, but I can see where you're coming from, even if I don't agree completely with your position. Can you see where I'm coming from?

[Jonno]

Can get you to post the link to the act please?

[Strika]

If you want my opinion, I reckon it's best with both the hand and the lips/tongue at the same time. Don't get me wrong though, it still impresses me when they can take it to the bump stops!!!

[Naked Twin]

Do yourself a favour and read up on the act, then you can say you are informed, secondly read up on the fathers day massacre that happened in Milperra in Sydney nearly 20 years ago

Have you read the act?
I did read up on the act and consider myself informed. And, though this is the first mention you've made of it, I actually was in Milperra when the Father's Day Massacre occured, with helicopters circling, and police telling us to lock ourselves inside our house and stay down. Yet you haven't responded to my post - you only respond to others telling them to read the act. Any reponse to someone who has?

Any response to my post, summarising the act and the concerns that I still have after reading it? Any opinion whatsoever on the possibility for abuse? I personally think a lot of what's been said on both sides is utter crap, but I can see where you're coming from, even if I don't agree completely with your position. Can you see where I'm coming from?

Your not holding a grudge against me I hope.

Sorry didn't know I had to respond to every post made here, didn't know that I had to say I had read it. For the record I took offence to being called a 3 watt by a two head . I actually found a copy of the SA act it after aardvark mentioned it, so you could say I was ill informed when I first posted, my apologies. It should also be noted that NSW is only proposing a similar law.

I would say your summary is quite good and to the point, and if anything supports what I have been saying.

Ultimately like any law it is open to interpretation and some here and elsewhere have taken the absolute worse case scenario in a world where there are no freedoms and in some instances jumped on single sentences and taken them out of context to bolster their argument.

Possibility for abuse, possible but highly unlikely. That is where I feel your side of the discussion falls down, the common reasoning for not to support it is words like "possible, theoretically, could be used". Could be and should be are two vast different things. The way it currently is justice doesn't exist, why is that the you have to the best paid lawyers if it is about justice? a little of track but still relevant. Remember this new law is still being tested and whilst any group could theoretically be considered for a control order how likely is that going to be?

Let's be realistic and if we are truly honest and take away all the hype and scare mongering ask yourself why and how would the police commissioner (he ultimately will have to pass this request on to the attorney general) want be able to ban a law abiding organisation? Even if they have an agenda with you there are some steps that have to be taken. Remember also whilst the attorney general is appointed by government, in many instances the incoming government has to keep the incumbent attorney general so the likely hood of conspiracy is extremely low, possible but you can safely say will not happen within the current political landscape.

Ask yourself this is this law really going to affect any law abiding citzen? I can not see it altering one bit any associations, or meetings that honest people are doing. If could be possible that because you are seen to be talking to a person under a control order you could come under the watchful eye of the authorities, but if you have done nothing wrong what do you have to fear. In discussions with our companylaw firm (admittedly commercial law is their specialty) Paul has said they could use this law against any organisation but the possibility and practicality of that being done is more remote and I quote "then getting the Queen to run nude down George st"

Oh welcome to the discussion.

Anyway I think it best I keep looking for my road bike, anyone up for a track day, it is the only riding I get to do

Nick

[Cath]

Realistically, I don't expect to ever have a problem with these laws. And neither will 99.9% of law abiding citizens, I agree. That's why I can see your side of the argument.

On the other hand, I don't trust every single police officer or politician. And that's why I reject the 'if you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to worry about' line of thought. I strongly believe we should limit the powers we give to our police force. Yes, I respect most police officers, and am grateful for the work they do. But there's enough within the force who do not deserve respect, to leave me wary. It's human nature that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail - and for police constantly dealing with the scum of society... well, they're only human too, and I've noticed some members seem to have difficulty thinking anyone they come into contact with while on the job is just an ordinary joe. After all, if they've come to the officer's attention, they must be non law-abiding, by definition! Get that hammer out!

Also, If they're given more power, then that becomes the new level of 'normal' until some new crisis occurs... then we give them more power. And that becomes the new level of 'normal', and onwards... I just don't think this justifies more power. In fact, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't matter how much power we gave the police, there'd still be outlaws, drug dealers, murderers, etc. Don't you? Or do you think that this law will enable the police to get rid of all the drug-dealing, murdering scum criminal organisation?


And no, no grudge at all. And no you don't have to respond to every post, as you know. I was just wondering if you wanted to actually talk about the act, or just wanted to win the argument, which is why I posted directly to you. Funny that you hadn't read it either, while you were telling people to read it then come back to the discussion

You asked if anyone was up for a track day - check out the track day forum, there's a couple of days already booked that you can jump in on, or post up and organise your own group track day outing!

[Daisy]

Daisy no need to lower yourself to name calling, but I guess that reflects the person.

Name calling? I was simply pointing out that if you truly believe these laws will never be used for any other purpose, you are indeed a little dim.

Wow you have been inside a clubhouse and everyone was nice well that must mean the whole world is a peaceful place. If you are stupid enough to believe that they will use this law against all then it is you who is ill informed and I would also say paranoid.

MUM! He called me stupid!

Now if you look a little closer at my argument ... the fact that I had/have an association with these people causes me to believe that I would be more at risk of persecution by the police than any untoward behaviour by 1%ers. Having locked horns with a particularly unsavoury police officer in the past I think I'm qualified to state that there are some police who will use any means at their disposal - even to settle a personal score. Because that hasn't happened to you, I'm paranoid?

Taking quotes about police being issued machine guns at airports was one person's opinion that is not even part of government or police but an ex employee of the airports corporation, but in typical style of people with hysteria issues that take words out of context and put a spin on it for their own self fulfilled purpose

I'm taking nothing out of context. I just wanted to know if you think its a good idea.

then go and explain to the father of the 15 year old girl (I believe she was that old) that was innocently gunned down, your spin on this I am sure her family would like to know your thoughts about being inside a clubhouse.

What?? Are you for real? Do you think I'm somehow boasting about knowing these people? If you do, you're dimmer than I thought.

[Daisy]

On the other hand, I don't trust every single police officer or politician. And that's why I reject the 'if you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to worry about' line of thought. I strongly believe we should limit the powers we give to our police force. Yes, I respect most police officers, and am grateful for the work they do. But there's enough within the force who do not deserve respect, to leave me wary. It's human nature that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail - and for police constantly dealing with the scum of society... well, they're only human too, and I've noticed some members seem to have difficulty thinking anyone they come into contact with while on the job is just an ordinary joe. After all, if they've come to the officer's attention, they must be non law-abiding, by definition! Get that hammer out!

Also, If they're given more power, then that becomes the new level of 'normal' until some new crisis occurs... then we give them more power. And that becomes the new level of 'normal', and onwards... I just don't think this justifies more power. In fact, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't matter how much power we gave the police, there'd still be outlaws, drug dealers, murderers, etc. Don't you? Or do you think that this law will enable the police to get rid of all the drug-dealing, murdering scum criminal organisation?

[Disco]

Firstly I just wan't to say this is a way to inellectual conversation for me

On the other hand, I don't trust every single police officer or politician.

I also don't trust all police officers ...I'm gunna go a lot of subject here but I had just had one of my bikes at a bike shop 150m down the road from my house and I wheel it there and back as it isn't registered.After it got new shoes I was wheeling it (sitting on it) pushing with my feet on the foot path the bike was NOT started.Coppa pulls over with an extremly HOT blonde passenger also a cop and accuses me of riding it on the footpath ....He then goe's on to tell me that he isn't going to argue with me to which I say look feel the engine the thing is cold....Tell's me that he can fine me blah,blah,blah....I ask him If he wan'ts to see the receipt I just got from the place that done the work which you can see from where he was talking to me and my Licence to see I just live 50m up the road and it isn't worth the risk....He then call's me a smart ass!....Then he takes off to the round about at the end of the street and comes back past and does the little finger twining's tea thingy you see on the speeding ads ....I saw RED and gave him the finger and called him a fuckwit i'm sure half the suburb heard it ...So I have come to the conclusion thay are all just human like the rest of us and some are just out there to cause shit......Like WTF was the pinky thing about?


End Rant Dave back on subject

[robracer]

that was the pig giving you the finger he sounds like a real tozzer dave did you get his badge number

[Disco]

:shock: that was the pig giving you the finger he sounds like a real tozzer dave did you get his badge number

It happend after he turned around Rob....I think he was just showing off,But at the time I thought it was a bit in approiate.

They are there to restore and keep order I thought not to Instigate trouble.....

[aardvark]

I had just had one of my bikes at a bike shop 150m down the road from my house and I wheel it there and back as it isn't registered.

So you had an unregistered vehicle on a road, or road related area, and he didn't do you for it? Instead he gives you a finger wiggle. Sounds like you got let off lightly.

[Disco]

I had just had one of my bikes at a bike shop 150m down the road from my house and I wheel it there and back as it isn't registered.

So you had an unregistered vehicle on a road, or road related area, and he didn't do you for it? Instead he gives you a finger wiggle. Sounds like you got let off lightly.

No a foot path....I'm a pretty law abiding citizen Ardy Havn't had a fine in 12 years touch wood....Is it Illegal to push a motorbike on a footpath?If so I will appologise now...

But rather than trying to organise a trailer for the trip and spend more time tying down than driving doesn't seem feasable...Should I have pushed it on the road?I only ask as I don't know where I went wrong ?....

[aardvark]

Is it Illegal to push a motorbike on a footpath?

I'd have to read the appropriate act for your state to advise with any certainty, but I can't see it being much different than the laws we have here.

Here, it's an offence to drive/ride/stand/tow/push an unregistered vehicle on a road (which includes a road related area - ie; footpath, carpark, verge etc).

Off topic.... YAY!! The orginal topic was getting a bit wearisome anyway.

[hoffy]

they'll bust ya for being a member of a club....but they cant stop a murder in the supposed safest place in the country..the fukin Sydney AIRPORT !! bbbhhwwawawawawawa

I wonder how many cars got $78 parking fines out in the carpark out front at the airport from coppers, whilst a guy got murdered inside im guessing about 10 or so..

fukin muppets !

[the kid]

That cracks me up – who reads messages from the Attorney-General!?!?!?!

The same sort of person who reads legislation ???