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Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:10 pm
by Smitty
No more easy riding
* Peter Rolfe Sunday Herald Sun August 29, 2010 12:00AM


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A motorbike fatality. Picture: Tony Gough


VICTORIA is set to introduce the toughest motorbike licence testing conditions in Australia in a bid to bring down the state's road toll.

In an overhaul of existing motorcycle licensing, the Brumby Government is considering a stricter testing, training and skills assessment to make it tougher to take to the road on two wheels.
With motorcycle riders accounting for 14 per cent of fatalities and serious injuries in Victoria despite making up less than 4 per cent of registered vehicles last year, the Government is expected this week to outline the radical plan to improve safety and reduce their over-representation in the road toll.

Legislative changes being considered by the Government include:

A REQUIREMENT for learner riders to obtain a minimum number of supervised on-road hours before they are given a licence - either 25, 50 or 120 hours;

MORE rigorous assessment of practical skills before riders can obtain a licence;

AN automatic transmission restriction for riders who pass the test on an automatic motorcycle such as a scooter; and

INCREASING the period new riders have to use learner-approved motorcycles from one year to three.

The move would bring motorbike testing conditions more in line with tests required by others such as learner car drivers who must have 120 hours of supervised driving
before gaining a probationary licence.

Roads Minister Tim Pallas confirmed last night that soon he would release a public discussion paper on the new system that would also consider longer licence durations and
restrictions on what bikes inexperienced riders could legally use.


"The significant rise in motorcycle deaths on our roads this year is unacceptable and we want to put measures in place to help drive down the toll," he said.

TAC figures show motorcyclists are 38 times more likely to be seriously injured in a crash than car drivers and passengers.
Victoria's three-year average motorcyclist fatality rate is six times higher than the passenger car occupant fatality rate.
With 34 motorbike fatalities on Victorian roads so far this year, 12 more than in 2009, Victoria Police Supt Neville Taylor said the death rate of motorbike riders was "a real issue".


Laws now require riders to sit a basic skills test lasting a few minutes before they go on our roads unsupervised.
They also allow a person to complete learner and licence tests on an automatic motorcycle, often a motor scooter with an engine capacity up to 250cc, and be issued with
a licence enabling them to ride automatic and manually geared bikes.

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:44 pm
by seiko1
:lol: La de da de da, la de da de da
"A REQUIREMENT for learner riders to obtain a minimum number of supervised on-road hours before they are given a licence - either 25, 50 or 120 hours"
How they gunna pull that one off? :?
Now you gotta watch your speedo incessantly, watch for wanker cage drivers, watch for wanker pedestrians, watch for wanker Bicycle riders,
watch for wanker roadworkers
AND listen to some wanker on a headset.....all whilst riding a featherweight bike :roll:
Way to go Brumby....you fuckwit

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:18 am
by Jackal
What I hate about these statistics is who knows how many of those accidents were drivers cutting in front of bikes or running lights.

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:33 am
by ty
The move would bring motorbike testing conditions more in line with tests required by others
Except for the supervised hours, this would be MORE restrictive than a car license. Unless learner drivers will also have to do mandatory skills training, rather than just learning how to pass a test ? doubt it

I'm all for more training - but sheesh!

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:48 am
by robracer
Jackal wrote:What I hate about these statistics is who knows how many of those accidents were drivers cutting in front of bikes or running lights.
Or drunk drivers & dick heads on mobile phones :twisted:
I bet they would say thats really not applicable Mr Jackal we only look at the bottom line! :lol: :?

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:15 am
by Supafrog
How many of those deaths were actually L & P platers? .. and as pointed out.. how many were seasoned skilled riders taken out by the 'unpredictable factors' on the road?

I like the auto restriction... is a postie bike an auto or a manual? :lol:

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:24 pm
by Rossi
Whilst one fatality is one too many, Another question I would like to ask is how many of the fatalities were actually road bikes......... there's always a load of chook chasers killing themselves on dirt ??

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:59 pm
by 6maniac

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:06 pm
by robracer
6maniac wrote:http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/downloads/accidentstats2008.pdf
93 pages Ron :roll: I'm going to be up all night trying to read all that :lol:

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:09 pm
by 6maniac
robracer wrote:
6maniac wrote:http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/downloads/accidentstats2008.pdf
93 pages Ron :roll: I'm going to be up all night trying to read all that :lol:
Well I'm not going to summarise it for everyone - I'm too busy making sure I don't end up as one of the statistics ! :roll:

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:18 pm
by seiko1
6maniac wrote:Well I'm not going to summarise it for everyone - I'm too busy making sure I don't end up as one of the statistics ! :roll:
Ok...just summarise it for me and Rob ;)
:lol:

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:22 pm
by 6maniac
OK - I'll do this bit for ya's ............. ;)

Table 2: Comparison with other Australian States1 and other countries2

Killed/ Vehicles3('000)/ Population4('000)/ Fatalities per 10,000 vehicles/ Fatalities per 100,000 population

NEW SOUTH WALES 374 4,420 6,984 0.8 5.4
Victoria 303 3,922 5,314 0.8 5.7
Queensland 328 3,173 4,294 1.0 7.6
Western Australia 209 1,747 2,171 1.2 9.6
South Australia 99 1,179 1,603 0.8 6.2
Tasmania 40 391 498 1.0 8.0
Australian Capital Territory 14 242 346 0.6 4.0
Northern Territory 75 123 220 6.1 34.1
AUSTRALIA 1,442 15,297 21,432 0.9 6.7
CANADA5 2,892 19,737 31,613 1.5 9.2
DENMARK 406 2,767 5,474 1.5 7.4
FRANCE 4,620 37,909 61,540 1.2 7.5
GERMANY 4,949 55,511 82,366 0.9 6.0
GREAT BRITAIN 2,946 33,866 60,975 0.9 5.0
JAPAN 6,639 83,098 127,771 0.8 5.2
NETHERLANDS 709 8,863 16,358 0.8 4.3
NEW ZEALAND 422 3,189 4,228 1.3 10.0
NORWAY 233 3,170 4,681 0.7 5.0
SWEDEN 471 5,292 9,113 0.9 5.2
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 41,259 251,4235 299,3985 1.65 14.25



1 Australian data based on information published by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau for 2008.
2 Other data based on information from International Road Traffic and Accident Database (OECD) or individual National Road Crash Statistics
Reporting Authorities for 2007.
3 Australian figures (except for New South Wales) are as at 31 March 2008 and are from the Australian Bureau of Statistics Motor Vehicle Census
Australia. These figures may not agree with registration statistics for individual States and Territories. Data for New South Wales are from the
Roads and Traffic Authority and are as at 30 June 2008.
4 Australian population estimates are for 30 June 2008 as published in December 2008.
5 Data from 2006

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:30 pm
by ty
Supafrog wrote:I like the auto restriction... is a postie bike an auto or a manual? :lol:
yes
:D

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:37 pm
by 6maniac
Actually, the more you look at the statistics, the more rubbery some of the figures quoted in the press, look ....

i.e. Page 30 Table 11 ( NSW )

Re: Vic licencing to get tougher....a lot

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:52 pm
by smithy5
Yeah... page 6 NSW RTA....... 2008 against 2007
A reduction in every category... as well as an increase in population, licence holders and vehicle rego's.... oh hang on they might contribute that to an increase in speed cameras shooosh now....