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...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:05 pm
by Smitty
Police blast motorcycle hoons
MEGAN LEVY The Age June 23, 2010 - 10:08AM

A motorcyclist caught on a speed camera riding at 118km/h in a suburban area.
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..Hooning motorcyclists are having a devastating impact on Victoria's road toll which is heading for its worst result in five years, the state's top traffic policeman says.

The latest figures reveal that one fifth of the 160 deaths on the state's roads this year involve motorcyclists, the latest occurring on Friday morning when a rider hit a parked truck in Melbourne's west.
Deputy Commissioner Ken Lay today blasted the behaviour of irresponsible riders, while releasing traffic photographs showing motorcyclists speeding and failing to wear protective clothing.

One rider is photographed giving the finger to a speed camera, while another wearing shorts and a t-shirt is snapped doing a mono while travelling at 111 km/h on the Old Calder Highway in Keilor.
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Mr Lay said some riders showed blatant disregard for the law by covering up their rear number plate, while others simply knew that some Victorian speed cameras only photographed the front of a motorcycle, which does not carry a number plate. ''Many motorcyclists know that we can't capture their image so they travel and move at a speed that's clearly inappropriate and highly dangerous,'' Mr Lay told Radio 3AW.

''There's a group of the motorcycle riding fraternity that clearly know that and give us the bird from time to time, as you've seen.''

Mr Lay said 32 motorcyclists had been killed so far this year, compared to 17 at the same time last year. The difference of 15 could be the reason why this year's road toll had soared to 160 this year, compared to 144 for the same time last year. Of this year's motorcycle fatalities, about 35 per cent have involved excessive or inappropriate speed, Mr Lay said.

"We cannot pretend that this has nothing to do with the level of trauma we are seeing on the roads," he said.
"I know that the majority of motorcyclists out there do the right thing and stick to the limits, wear protective clothing and avoid lane cutting.

"But everyday I am passed by hooning motorcyclists who put themselves in grave danger and I am simply fed up with it."

He said independent research showed motorcyclists were 38 times more likely than motorists to be seriously injured or killed in a crash, while about 75 per cent of motorcyclists involved in a fatality were at fault.

"We need to understand what the climate on the roads is like, and from these images it is clear that there are significant problems with some motorcyclists in Victoria," Mr Lay said
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this is not good coz we might get a kneejerk reaction from the guvmint...and thats the last thing we need at present

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:21 pm
by seiko1
Gee the hoon laws and Safety cams are workin a treat aren't they :?
Bring on the rebelious few :kuda:

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:22 pm
by ijuschill
Smitty wrote:The latest figures reveal that one fifth of the 160 deaths on the state's roads this year involve motorcyclists

Why don't the concentrate on the other 4/5 of the road toll that aren't bikes, cause it's easier to blame the minority and bikes go fast so they must be stopped :x :roll:

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:44 pm
by photomike666
ijuschill wrote:
Smitty wrote:The latest figures reveal that one fifth of the 160 deaths on the state's roads this year involve motorcyclists

Why don't the concentrate on the other 4/5 of the road toll that aren't bikes, cause it's easier to blame the minority and bikes go fast so they must be stopped :x :roll:
All they see is 20% of roads deaths are from 3% of the road community. They see cars with safety belts, ABS, air bags, traction control, stability control - and riders in shorts and t-shirts. They see cars with plates front and back so they can be caught speeding in either direction and see the face of the driver to enable more accurate convictions - and riders giving cameras the bird. They see a motorcyclist at fault because he was lane splitting, even though the car/truck purpously shut the door - in any other part of the community you can not cause harm to someone who is braking the law!

In the eyes of politicians every motorcyclist is a hells angel hoon, who speeds, does tricks, sells drugs and rapes puppies for fun. And in reallity, all the time you can get hypercar performance for hatchback money, these bikes will be the toys of a certain kind of person.

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:52 pm
by MickLC
Just over 1/3 of the fatals were caused by excessive speed? So why is targetting speeding a solution then FFS, maybe they should be looking at the other 2/3 of the causes :roll:

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:05 pm
by Nosferatu
Smitty wrote:
"some Victorian speed cameras only photographed the front of a motorcycle, which does not carry a number plate"
Here we go again, the old lets bring back front numberplates chestnut
Smitty wrote:
Mr Lay said 32 motorcyclists had been killed so far this year, compared to 17 at the same time last year. The difference of 15 could be the reason why this year's road toll had soared to 160 this year, compared to 144 for the same time last year.
In comparison, how many more bikes are there on the road now, compared to this time last year, and how many of those killed this year were inexperienced riders?
Smitty wrote:
He said independent research showed motorcyclists were 38 times more likely than motorists to be seriously injured or killed in a crash
Of course we are, we're not surrounded by a tin can that gives a faulse sense of security and allows us to switch off when we get behind the wheel. How many of said fatalities involving bikes are caused by ignorant fuckhead cage drivers who have done something stupid (texting, talking on the phone, doing their makeup, jerking off), caused the bike to lose control, and legged it from the scene.
Smitty wrote:
"it is clear that there are significant problems with some motorcyclists in Victoria"
So lets penalise ALL motorcyclists for the stupidity of the few. Once again, it all boils down to making laws to stop the minority harming themselves or others, while branding the WHOLE riding community as hoons.

I hope there isn't a knee jerk reaction, coz I'm looking forward to moving down there next year.

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:26 pm
by Cath
... some Victorian speed cameras only photographed the front of a motorcycle, which does not carry a number plate.
Honestly - if that's such a big deal, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY INSTALL CAMERAS THAT ARE FRONT-CAPTURING??? It's not like motorbikes are some novel creation, or they've only recently not had front plates... geez.



I always cringe when I see people without protective gear on a bike though... I just picture their skin after an off. It really doesn't matter that much when you're in extreme pain no matter how you sit or lie, and can't wipe your own arse due to the abrasions on your hands, that you're a good rider and the crash was someone else's fault!

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:43 pm
by photomike666
Cath wrote:Honestly - if that's such a big deal, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY INSTALL CAMERAS THAT ARE FRONT-CAPTURING???!
It was too easy to claim you wern't driving and they had no proof so the fines were thrown out of court. With a pic of the drivers face the conviction stands

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:07 pm
by ZXR750
Nosferatu wrote:
Smitty wrote:
"some Victorian speed cameras only photographed the front of a motorcycle, which does not carry a number plate"
Here we go again, the old lets bring back front numberplates chestnut
Smitty wrote:
Mr Lay said 32 motorcyclists had been killed so far this year, compared to 17 at the same time last year. The difference of 15 could be the reason why this year's road toll had soared to 160 this year, compared to 144 for the same time last year.
In comparison, how many more bikes are there on the road now, compared to this time last year, and how many of those killed this year were inexperienced riders?

That is an increase of almost 100% your agument of looking at how many more riders are on the road as compared to last year only digs the hole deeper.
Smitty wrote:
He said independent research showed motorcyclists were 38 times more likely than motorists to be seriously injured or killed in a crash
Of course we are, we're not surrounded by a tin can that gives a faulse sense of security and allows us to switch off when we get behind the wheel. How many of said fatalities involving bikes are caused by ignorant fuckhead cage drivers who have done something stupid (texting, talking on the phone, doing their makeup, jerking off), caused the bike to lose control, and legged it from the scene.
Smitty wrote:
"it is clear that there are significant problems with some motorcyclists in Victoria"
So lets penalise ALL motorcyclists for the stupidity of the few. Once again, it all boils down to making laws to stop the minority harming themselves or others, while branding the WHOLE riding community as hoons.

[b
]I know that the majority of motorcyclists out there do the right thing and stick to the limits, wear protective clothing and avoid lane cutting
. He has not branded all bike riders as irrisponsible. However most if not all traffic laws are designed with the lowest common demoninator in mind.
The old road out of Sydney is a prime example. The speed limit keeps dropping and is now 60 km for most of it when it used to be 100km. Most of the accidents are single vehicle accidents all involving bikes so as a rider we don't have a valid comeback for the 60 km zones. It is again a case of the few fu*king it up for the rest.


I hope there isn't a knee jerk reaction, coz I'm looking forward to moving down there next year.
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Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:14 pm
by MickLC
photomike666 wrote:
Cath wrote:Honestly - if that's such a big deal, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY INSTALL CAMERAS THAT ARE FRONT-CAPTURING???!
It was too easy to claim you wern't driving and they had no proof so the fines were thrown out of court. With a pic of the drivers face the conviction stands
How does a front facing camera picking up a front numberplate change that?

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:55 pm
by dilligaf
it looks like an attempt to sabotage the launch of the new on road coaching trial


A world-first trial of on-road coaching for beginner motorcycle riders was announced today as part of a Brumby Labor Government strategy to improve motorcycle safety on Victorian roads.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/New ... safety.htm

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:51 pm
by seiko1
What a surprise...the media has jumped straight on the bandwagon :roll:
We get the info on how many riders have been killed but a serious lack of "detail",
if they want to punish us then I would like an accurate and case by case breakdown of the causes....
eg:Incidents that involve Cage driver's, whether directly or indirectly.... drugs? alcohol? fatigue? experience?
and since they are getting so bloody personal, I would like to know how many cage's involved were being driven by....lets say....
imported drivers!!! ;)

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:49 pm
by laidback
seiko1 wrote:...... I would like to know how many cage's involved were being driven by....lets say....
imported drivers!!! ;)
Right with you there mate...I know for sure that some cannot read english and don't know (or ignore) the international signs for stop, give way etc as I've been on the receiving end of that. :x

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:06 pm
by sunshine
lets get the big stick out once again shall we.....

hows about all licensed riders ...
have subsidised ride days and csbs training
this can can from the tac charge that has been imposed on us Vics
i hope THEY are monitoring this thread !!!! :kuda: :kuda:

MICK

Re: ...will the Vic guvmint react?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:20 pm
by craig
I'll get right on to that for you seiko ...two days should be enough lead time for me ;) ... i'll table it friday afternoon if thats ok with you..... :P :P

Then i'll go do the govt' tour with coach and write up a report for you ;)