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Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:29 pm
by Frank
PRE-mixed drinks will be significantly cheaper within weeks after the government's alcopop tax was defeated today.
Family First Senator Steve Fielding blew a $1.6 billion hole in the government’s budget after joining with the Opposition to defeat the bill.
In a chaotic Senate late this afternoon, the bill was initially passed when Liberal/National senator Nigel Scullion failed to turn up to vote.
Mr Scullion said he missed the division because he was holding an impromptu meeting in a stairwell.
However, the government bowed to convention and permitted a second vote.
There are fears the decision could lead to an increase in teenage binge drinking, particularly among young girls.
The bill was supported by medical and alcohol and drug groups.
Senator Fielding refused to support the tax hike unless the Government promised to close a loophole that allows alcohol advertising on daytime television during sporting events.
Greens leader Bob Brown earlier called Senator Fielding’s stance irresponsible.
"Senator Fielding is the boy on the burning deck saying I'm going to throw you a lifeline having set flame to the ship," he told the Senate.
"Senator Fielding is scuttling legislation which has huge advantages for the Australian people and he'll be judged for it.
"But does he have the shoulders to bear the responsibility?"
Senator Brown said Senator Fielding was immature for saying he'd vote against the Bill because he hadn't got everything he wanted.
The Government had agreed to two of his demands: Warning labels on alcohol containers and an end to self-regulation of alcohol advertising.
"With Senator Fielding it's 'Give me what I want or no deal ... I'll dump all the gains made but the other senators''," the Greens leader said.
Health Minister Nicola Roxon had agreed to invest an extra $50 million in initiatives, including a sports sponsorship fund and alcohol helpline if the alcopops tax was passed unamended.
The opposition has called on the government to take urgent action so that the money collected under the failed alcopops tax does not go back to the alcohol industry.
Opposition health spokesman Peter Dutton said the government must table a bill in the House of Representatives in the next 24 hours to "validate" the $300 million in tax already collected.
That meant the money could be used to target binge drinking instead of going back to distillers, Mr Dutton said.
The opposition would support such a bill.
"This money should not go back to the alcohol industry," he told reporters after the alcopops vote.
"The ball's in the government's court."
Mr Dutton reiterated the opposition's decision to vote against the tax increase, saying it was a tax grab which had not tackled binge drinking.
Young binge drinkers were turning to spirits, cask wine and beer as they drank fewer alcopops, he said.
"This is a huge embarrassment for Nicola Roxon and the Rudd government," Mr Dutton said of the alcopops episode.
"They rolled the dice and they got it wrong."
<http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25206284-661,00.html>
I'll be interesting to see if the price actually comes down in clubs and pubs !
Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:33 pm
by mohawk miss
"Senator Fielding is the boy on the burning deck "
was his pocket full of crackers ?

Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:59 pm
by mick_dundee
I think he IS crackers actualy but that;'s another story, bloke is on a massive power trip for sure I reckon. Just a beer drinker myself so couldn't give a shit one way or the other but understand why they want to bring it in..
Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:55 am
by robracer
What about the millions they have to pay back now

Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:04 am
by mick_dundee
Rob, the alcohol industry are saying put it towards alcohol education/rehab rather than refund it, whether that happens remains to be seen I guess.
Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:12 am
by robracer
mick_dundee wrote:Rob, the alcohol industry are saying put it towards alcohol education/rehab rather than refund it, whether that happens remains to be seen I guess.
fairnuff....... caught a snippit of the pollys debarcle on the news last night, what a joke

Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:13 am
by Frank
More likely it'll go towards lining the govermint coffers !
Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:57 am
by *Rach*
I'm glad it didn't get passed. "Young teenage girls" aren't the only social group who like to drink pre mixed drinks. And do the pollies really think higher prices will stop people buying something ? It hasn't stopped people buying ciggies or petrol. Sometimes I wonder if the pollies really live out there in our suburbs and hear the talk about every day lives.
Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:07 am
by Frank
The day after this tax was introduced most bottle shops were sellin"package" deals of bottles of spirits and mixers, so it was really helping anything IMHO. Besides if people really wanted to get messed up cheaply they would just go and buy cask wine and get smashed

So I really only ever seenn that as a cash grab by the government, ie.
300 million in, what 12 months ?? give me a break

Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:49 am
by Glen
It was a ridiculous concept. My young bloke is a pretty typical 18-21 yo and all it did was make him buy a 750ml botttle of Jimmy and a bottle of coke. They can do a lot more damage with that then they can with a premix.
Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:55 am
by bishboy
I agree that is a flawed concept. It won't stop the young ones drinking, they'll just spend more or just mix there own.
I don't know if that Fielding nutter's plan of reducing alcohol advertising during sport would work. Surely just because you saw an ad for beer during the football doesn't mean you'll go out and buy a carton and drink it all during the game, are people really that easily led
Why don't they tax the liquer companies an extra say 1% and put this towards education and rehab (but this would probably be passed on via higher prices

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Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:30 am
by Six Addict
I don't know if that Fielding nutter's plan of reducing alcohol advertising during sport would work. Surely just because you saw an ad for beer during the football doesn't mean you'll go out and buy a carton and drink it all during the game, are people really that easily led
they banned cigarette advertising because of this exact reason, seems having the windield cup of the malboro yamaha team made people want to smoke, so they banned it...
and everyone puts the argument that banning cigarette advertising wasnt as bad as some people had thought, however this is only because the alcohol companies stepped in... i seriously do believe a ban on alcohol advertising would ruin a multitude of sports around the world...
i personally dont think they need too but thats only because i do not feel inclined to drink vb or tooheys just because i watch cricket and rugby...
Re: Alcopos tax bill defeated!
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:15 am
by Naked Twin
bishboy wrote:I agree that is a flawed concept. It won't stop the young ones drinking, they'll just spend more or just mix there own.
I don't know if that Fielding nutter's plan of reducing alcohol advertising during sport would work. Surely just because you saw an ad for beer during the football doesn't mean you'll go out and buy a carton and drink it all during the game, are people really that easily led
Why don't they tax the liquer companies an extra say 1% and put this towards education and rehab (but this would probably be passed on via higher prices

)
Companies don't spend millions on marketing and branding because they like to see there product in bright lights, they do it because they know it works. By banning it does is take away the power of branding.
If you doubt it answer the following questions with honesty -
Do you buy fuel from a no name fuel station? Most likely not, the question is why? All fuel comes from only 3 or 4 refineries depending on what state you are in. Many branded fuel outlets are also independently run, they only pay for the use of the big logo so what is the difference.
Name the car company with the best reputation for reliability - then ask yourself have you ever owned that branded car, most likely not so what evidence are you basing it on?
Marketing and branding a very powerful tool.
There is some evidence that this Alcopop tax was working as there was a big reduction in premix drinks sales and an overall reduction in total volume of alcohol sold in this period.
Nick