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NSW Road toll

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:35 pm
by robracer
Lifted from the latest AMCN:
The 2008 NSW Road toll was the lowest it's been for 64 years. Three hundred & ninety five people were killed on the states roads last year, the first time the number has been below 400 since World War II.

:shock: interesting stats considering the amount of road users now compared to 64 years ago :o

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:55 pm
by 6maniac
:cry: That means the pollies will justify their heavy-handed policing tactics as effective. :roll:

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:40 pm
by lifeofcrimeguy
Statistics are meaningless until they are broken down. Wouldn't mind knowing about where the crashes occur and between whom, etc.

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:35 pm
by hoffy
cars are safer than ever, how many crashes ?

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:03 am
by andrew.k
Obviously coppers hidden in the bushes have mad the difference. God bless 'em

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:07 am
by robracer
lifeofcrimeguy wrote:Statistics are meaningless until they are broken down. Wouldn't mind knowing about where the crashes occur and between whom, etc.
This post is a comment on the ROAD TOLL I am sure if you wanted the statistics for road crashes you could look them up ;)

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:54 am
by Naked Twin
Unfortunately the road toll statistic hides the real statistics. Seriously injured from road crashes are 10 - 12 times that of deaths and have a greater impact on the community.

The police can say the road toll is down but this has little to do with the strategies they have put in place in recent times, you have to go back to the introduction of the RBT before you see a strategy that has a significant reduction in road trauma. In other words there will be no real change in the current policy.

Nick

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:49 am
by Six Addict
more pedestrians got killed in victoria last year than motorcyclists... so in theory motorcycling had the fewest deaths of any mode of transport at least in victoria...

so much for the "unsafe" mode of transport :roll:

on the upside it is good to see less people of all persuations dying on our fair states roads... :D

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:04 am
by aardvark
Naked Twin wrote:The police can say the road toll is down but this has little to do with the strategies they have put in place in recent times,
And I guess you are qualified to say this because of your extensive experience in traffic policing? You obviously have your finger right on the pulse, so maybe you can tell us what it is as a result of?
Six Addict wrote:more pedestrians got killed in victoria last year than motorcyclists...
And I keep saying that pedestrians need to start taking more responsibility for their own safety. But do they? No.

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:28 am
by Six Addict
agreed 100% aardy.... it just shows the incongrous nature of POLITICAL pressure and agendas...

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:16 pm
by lifeofcrimeguy
Rob, the road toll IS a statistic :lol:. I was just meaning that you can't ASSUME that new laws have had that great an impact on the road toll until you get a few years and start seeing a trend. Even then there's nothing to say that it's a direct link. I'm sure the new laws HAVE made the roads safer. But I still heavily disagree with a few of them. Especially the no second chances policy for red Ps. We need to prevent problems from happening by educating first. Not lettting the problems occur and then beating the offender into submission like an animal (dark ages anyone?). I just think it sux that the vast majority of laws I see getting passed are ones that cost the least to implement. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:21 pm
by lifeofcrimeguy
And and as for pedestrians... If you don't cross at a crossing... I'm a BIG fan of Darwinism.

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:04 am
by Naked Twin
aardvark wrote:
Naked Twin wrote:The police can say the road toll is down but this has little to do with the strategies they have put in place in recent times,
And I guess you are qualified to say this because of your extensive experience in traffic policing? You obviously have your finger right on the pulse, so maybe you can tell us what it is as a result of?
Six Addict wrote:more pedestrians got killed in victoria last year than motorcyclists...
And I keep saying that pedestrians need to start taking more responsibility for their own safety. But do they? No.
Not a copper like you however statistics don't lie, check out NSW RTA website for historical data if you doubt me. There are more people caught speeding, the number of car crashes per head of population has not decreased in the same way road deaths has decreased. 20 years ago the road toll was over 1000. So road toll has decreased by over half but serious accidents have not. Do you honestly think that it is because of policing strategy? How has policing strategy actually improved road safety? The main one was changing the laws for heavy vehicles to reduce the time they could spend on the road.

Clearly in 20 years there has been a massive improvement in car technology, standards have also been lifted, improvement in medical as well, these are the main reason you will find a reduction in road toll.

Nick

Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:06 am
by Six Addict
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Re: NSW Road toll

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:17 pm
by aardvark
Naked Twin wrote:Statistics don't lie
Well, statistics are only as good as the data collection criteria used and the recording method.
Naked Twin wrote:The number of car crashes per head of population has not decreased in the same way road deaths has decreased.
I think it's more prudent to look at crashes, injuries and fatalities per vehicle registrations and licence holders. Although this obviously doesn't take into account unlicenced drivers and unregistered vehicles.
In 1970 there were 1,712,000 registered vehicles in NSW. There were 2,049,000 licence holders. In that year there were 1309 fatalities and 34,886 people injured in crashes.
In 1985 there were 2,986,000 registered vehicles in NSW. There were 3,438,000 licence holders. In that year there were 1067 fatalities and 39,336 people injured in crashes.
In 2007 there were 4,311,000 registered vehicles in NSW. There were 4,577,000 licence holders. In that year there were 450 fatalities and 25,845 people injured in crashes.

Between 1970 and 2007 there has been a 151.81% increase in the number of registered vehicles.
Between 1970 and 2007 there has been a 123.38% increase in the number of licence holders.
Between 1970 and 2007 there has been a 65.62% decrease in fatalities caused by car crashes.
Between 1970 and 2007 there has been a 25.92% decrease in people injured in crashes.

So, there are 151% more cars and 123% more people able to drive those cars. Given the massive increase in the number of vehicles using the road, I think the reduction in both fatalities and injury crashes is quite amazing. I think the "25%" reduction in injuries belies the true nature of the reduction.

So, the question is what has caused this to occur. I think there are numerous factors, and the following list is by no means extensive:
Better driver training - no longer can you roll into the local cop-shop, go for a lap of the block with the local copper and get your licence.
Better road design and construction.
Safer cars. The invention of ABS, crumple zones, retractable seatbelts and airbags is arguably the biggest reason fewer people are being killed.
The introduction of RBT.
The introduction of speed detection. Like it or not, getting people to drive slower reduces the chance of a crash and reduces the severity of the injury caused as a result of a crash.

To see a further reduction in vehicle collisions is going to be hard. We would need to see some way to police and enforce driver fatigue and inattention on a massive level. You could argue that this could come about as a result of driver training but driver training isn't the be all and end all. Many people learn to become very good drivers but their attitudes and skill deteriorate quite quickly. So then what? 5 yearly driver testing? Can you imagine the backlash? Are you sure you'd pass? What about the introduction of car drivers wearing helmets? The first government to introduce that will be out on their ear.
Naked Twin wrote:Do you honestly think that it is because of policing strategy? How has policing strategy actually improved road safety?
I am not about to sit here and give you a synopsis of traffic policing philosophy. But things like RBT, drug detection, speed detection, targeted detection models and a better understanding of the cause of road crashes has played it's part in the above reductions. If you argue that policing of the road laws hasn't made a difference, then we might as well get rid of all the speed cameras, traffic coppers and other traffic enforcement methods. What would happen then? Status quo? Oh, the joy and harmony it would bring..... :roll: