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Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:36 pm
by Strika
As most know the beemer saga has turned into an epic cluster fuck. So I have made the decision to depart it from the fleet. The question begs which bike next. So I started thinking about options. The must haves are ;

Protective fairing
Hard luggage
Good fuel Range
Rider and Pillion Comfort
Lightish weight
Good ground Clearance
Some cornering ability (So no feckin cruisers)
(the thought of something which will takle dirt roads also appeals.
Decent anchors

You may notice the lack of shaft drive listed. I am considering chain driven also.
I have scratched any BMW off the list naturally.

So far I have had a little sniff around at the following bikes.
KLE500-Out-lacks power
KLR650-Out-Lacks power
Versys-? Interesting little bike with about the same power as the BMW!!!!
NTV700/650-?
DL1000/650-?-Suzuki are giving them away with panniers and a top box!
A Honda Dero-?
ST1100/1300-?
FJR1300-?
GTR1000-out-The clearance concerns me, I'm not yet ready to forget corners!
GTR1400-If someone spends the extra 10k I won't!
Bandit 1250-?
FZ1-?
ZRX1200/1200S-?
Triumph Tigger!!

The idea of a lighter bike appeals also. Once loaded up with two full panniers and a top box chockers full of gear the beemer was a tad porky and a little unweildy at walking pace and pushing it around.

I am yet to ride one of those Ugly looking DL1000's, but they appeal in terms of being hardy, grunty, lightish and come new with Panniers and top box. . (apparently, Kawasaki in either Europe or the US sell it as a Kawasaki, so maybe I could import some body work???? :lol:

So...what are your thoughts? :)

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:33 pm
by Ratmick
You might want to consider the Hornet and the CB1300 seeing you've got everything else in the genres of naked, sports-touring fully-faired big and small and crossover bikes like the VStrom and Versys :lol:.

One of the US Hornet guys bought the new 1250 Bandit and was more than impressed, it looks to be more than a match performance-wise for the ZRX1200. Alas it's not green, but hopefully it will prompt the marketing guys at Kawasaki to update the ZRX with an update to it's equipment and motor specs 8).

The FZ1N is a nice bike, a bit expensive :shock:. The Versys is just plain ugly :roll:.

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:21 pm
by Wattie
i think the st1100 for 1300 is the go. plent of poke, lots of extras and are pretty reliable.

the ulysses swear by them :roll:

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:35 pm
by Strika
Ratmick wrote:You might want to consider the Hornet and the CB1300 seeing you've got everything else in the genres of naked, sports-touring fully-faired big and small and crossover bikes like the VStrom and Versys :lol:.

One of the US Hornet guys bought the new 1250 Bandit and was more than impressed, it looks to be more than a match performance-wise for the ZRX1200. Alas it's not green, but hopefully it will prompt the marketing guys at Kawasaki to update the ZRX with an update to it's equipment and motor specs 8).

The FZ1N is a nice bike, a bit expensive :shock:. The Versys is just plain ugly :roll:.
I am trying to avoid owning another Honda. I fear it will be short term if I did buy one. I seem to get bored with Honda at a faster rate than other bikes! :lol: I quite like the look of the Versys. I have read one very favourable report on it too!!

Kawasaki's Verys is a joy, says Kevin Ash.

There are all sorts of bikes that would have been quicker on the varied, twisting and demanding roads of Provence that Kawasaki took us to for the presentation of the new Versys. Sadly, far too many riders judge a bike's desirability simply in those terms: speed, power, specification and the rest. But a more discerning soul stands not only to save many thousands of pounds by opting for this 649cc parallel twin; the chances are that the Kawasaki will provide a much more satisfactory ride anyway.


The refined throttle response means the bike does exactly what you want it to
If your biggest buzz comes mostly from arriving first, then fine, go for a big-capacity superbike or streetfighter, but don't expect to keep your licence for long with all that performance and attitude. But as a motorcycle that rewards you with its response, crispness, handling and overall feel, the Versys is disproportionately capable. If that sounds like an apology for lacklustre performance, it's not, as the motor's punch and the agile handling make this a very quick A-to-B weapon as well.

The engine is closely related to the unit that powers the ER-6, with revised cam timing and longer exhaust pipes designed to improve mid-range power at the expense of a few horses at the top of the range. It's a move that might frustrate some of the marketing men: while the ER-6 is beginner-biased, the Versys is aimed at more experienced riders, yet, counter-intuitively, its maximum power has been reduced. It's an intelligent decision, however, as the Versys is stronger where most riders use the engine most of the time, in the 3,000-6,000rpm rev range, 50-80mph on the road. Crucially, a lot of work went into refining the throttle response, ensuring it suffers none of the stutter or hesitation that annoys me on so many bikes, including the Aprilia Tuono Factory I rode only last week.

That's where much of the pleasure comes in riding the Versys: it responds exactly when and how you want, does what you ask and goes where you point it. These are simple aims, but if any one of them is found wanting, it can completely spoil a bike. Heel the Versys over into a corner on a closed throttle, hit the apex, turn the twistgrip and the motor pulls you out of the turn smoothly and powerfully. There is not a glitch or stammer to get in the way of enjoying the experience. The bubbling exhaust and inlet notes sound warm and muscular, the response is sharp without being sudden, and there's no irritating vibration, just a creamy, eager power delivery that shows how it should be done.

The gearbox assists by providing rapid, light and positive changes without the need to use the clutch when changing up, and often down again, which is a step forward for Kawasaki, whose 'boxes are often clunky at low revs. Indeed, the ER-6 is worse, although Kawasaki makes no claims for changes here.

Within some mostly minor budgetary limitations, the chassis design shows the same understanding of where the pleasure comes from riding a bike. The Versys turns quickly without being nervous, then sticks to its line accurately, with no sense of vagueness, wanting to tuck in or run wide. The suspension hints at choppiness occasionally, but the combination of longer-than-average travel with quite firm springs is more than a match for most types of road, and the overall sense of wieldiness is a joy. There is some facility to adjust the damping and spring preload, which, with patience, will no doubt improve it further, but for a bike at this price level it is exceptionally good. As with the engine, it does what you want, and does so with competence.


'There is intelligent design throughout, running deeper than expected'
Just one aspect falls below these high standards, and that's the brakes. The use of low-cost, floating-pin calipers shows as a wooden feel at the lever and a need to squeeze hard. ABS is available as a £400 option, and this is worth going for if you can, as - aside from the safety aspect - it also happens to feel sharper and more in tune with the rest of the bike's qualities.

The Versys is certainly a fun machine, then, but as the contrived composite name suggests, it's meant to be versatile, and it succeeds in this respect, too. In a day and a half, I spent about 10 hours in the saddle, and not once was I troubled by discomfort. The small screen is good enough for three-figure cruising speeds should you wish, although in its raised position it induces some helmet-buffeting turbulence - so leave it lowered. The rear subframe is stronger than the ER-6's, as the Versys is expected to be used for touring, possibly two up (pillion accommodation is roomy and comfortable) and with luggage (available as a purpose-made option from Kawasaki). With a 4.2-gallon fuel capacity and up to 50mpg capability, its range is sufficient for this role. I especially like the upright riding position, which is becoming increasingly popular - it's good for comfort and seeing the scenery or where you're going, and still lets you get on with committed sports riding. It is a shame, though, that the under-seat storage space is almost non-existent - it's unacceptable these days that you have nowhere to store a lock.

The Versys is unusual for a bike of this type in looking good, where, for example, Ducati's Multistrada and Suzuki's V-Strom don't quite manage it. The headlight is oddly shaped, but on the whole the bike manages to look lean and rangy without being awkward or plain odd.

Interestingly, the Versys appears to be a good bike to drop. That's not to be fatuous, but comes from observing the plastic covers over the most vulnerable parts, such as the radiator ends and lower frame castings. Plastic panels will be damaged before the fuel tank, which is a major cost saving, and the underbelly exhaust won't hit the ground in a spill either. Hopefully this will be reflected in lower insurance costs, as major damage incurred from simply falling at a standstill is too often an issue with modern bikes.

There is intelligent design throughout, running deeper than expected, and the consequence is simple pleasure. I suspect this will be a strong contender in a few bike-of-the-year awards, and rightly so.

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:54 pm
by Neka79
u said u want fairings...then u list half a dozen bikes that are either naked or semi naked...

make up ur bloody mind!! :P

what abt a zzr1200 or zx14r?? not considering these??

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:21 pm
by Strika
Neka79 wrote:u said u want fairings...then u list half a dozen bikes that are either naked or semi naked...

make up ur bloody mind!! :P

what abt a zzr1200 or zx14r?? not considering these??
I am thinking that I could add a largeish screen of some sort to suit. ZZR1200 is not my cup of tea for some reason. I don't mind the ZZR1100 but????

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:09 pm
by Gosling1
Hoffys Lover wrote:

Protective fairing
Hard luggage
Good fuel Range
Rider and Pillion Comfort
Lightish weight
Good ground Clearance
Some cornering ability (So no feckin cruisers)
(the thought of something which will takle dirt roads also appeals.
Decent anchors
You want one of these. Just pump up the shock for ground clearance.

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Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:13 pm
by Neka79
hmmm out of options then....

how bout a nice beemer?? :twisted:

can i be the one to say it???

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:02 pm
by Grunt06GPX
I generally just trawl around, don't post.

Triumph Sprint ST?

Comes w/ free panniers and top box is an option.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/biker ... &R=EPI-377" target="_blank

A few Kawasaki riders are converts...

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:40 am
by Strika
Grunt06GPX wrote:I generally just trawl around, don't post.

Triumph Sprint ST?

Comes w/ free panniers and top box is an option.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/biker ... &R=EPI-377" target="_blank" target="_blank

A few Kawasaki riders are converts...

The very same mate who is a BMW motorcycle mechanic, and who warned me NOT to buy a BMW, has also offered similiar thoughts on the Triumphs. He reckons any bike built after 2000, which still needs two people to pull off the fuel tank, should be crushed and recycled!!! He also has shared some thoughts on afew costly issues which are common. I'm trying to stick to the Jap brands if possible, even though I listed perhaps one or two Europeans, the Jap stuff just can't be beat for reliability.


And Gos, there isn't a servo in Oz with enough air in the tank to make a GTR1000 go around corners Properly! Not denying one can be hustled briskly around a turn, but never fast. Where as most of the big 1000CC Actually carve a mountain road as quick as most sports bikes.

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:41 pm
by Blue14
Suzuki bandit would be my choice knackers.. They are well priced and at the moment are giving away $1500 worth of luggage.. :D

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:14 pm
by Phil
as much as i love my zrx-r, i dont think it would meet your criteria very well, the "S" model may but they just dont look anywhere near as horn. if you could get one cheap enough it may be an option tho....i'va attached a pic of from the USA theatmay impress. IMHO it looks as good as an "R" - well nearly ;)

i also think the Dl1000 is butt ugly, but i've heard good things about how they go, they are cheap and can be had with hard luggage.

i like the look of the versys, i just cant imagine the little 6fidy being too happy with the speed you will need it to travel at tho ;)

i'f i were you i'd stump up the extra for the gtr14, keep it for ages and you be very happy, jeff ware has nice things to say about it in the latest rapid mag.

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:50 pm
by Slow and wobbly
Honda VFR perhaps. Or Suzuki SV 1000?

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:51 pm
by Steve_TLS
Strika wrote:I am yet to ride one of those Ugly looking DL1000's, but they appeal in terms of being hardy, grunty, lightish and come new with Panniers and top box. . (apparently, Kawasaki in either Europe or the US sell it as a Kawasaki, so maybe I could import some body work???? :lol:

So...what are your thoughts? :)
They are ugly. Kawasaki were re-badging them and selling them as a KLV 1000

Re: Which bike?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:08 pm
by hoffy
try a Versys, I think they will be fun to ride, otherwise a NT700 Honda