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Faaaaaaark !!!! I'm exhausted just reading this thread - back to the right arm exercises

98ninja wrote:best set of heaves ive seen anyone do.
40 overhand a little islander guy who works for the government,
also witnessed a guy do 335 consecutive pushups, makes my pb of 91 seem gay.

Guy I worked with years ago in the outdoor education industry that was a champion rock climber used to do sets of 80 overhand chin ups and would do sets of 12 chin ups with just one hand in a reverse grip. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.

My apologies if I have offended anyone with any of the above posts. I'm not trying to big note myself, I just happen to know a bit about this stuff and feel I should correct a few of the myths that float around gyms to help people get the most out of their training. As for me I spend too much time telling other people how to train these days and not enough time training myself so I have a spare 20kg that I could shed. I should get my finger out and get back to around the 100 mark.

havent been to the gym since before we got engaged, so feeling rather guilty re reading this thread, and yeah, a prone hold it is indeed. good way of working the stomach muscles out.

Nelso wrote:My apologies if I have offended anyone with any of the above posts. I'm not trying to big note myself, I just happen to know a bit about this stuff and feel I should correct a few of the myths that float around gyms to help people get the most out of their training. As for me I spend too much time telling other people how to train these days and not enough time training myself so I have a spare 20kg that I could shed. I should get my finger out and get back to around the 100 mark.

No offense taken here. I'd have a personal trainer if I didn't spent all my money on bikes. We're aiming at trying to qualify for the world championships in 2009. Better shape I can be in, the better chance I have.

mike-s wrote:havent been to the gym since before we got engaged, so feeling rather guilty re reading this thread, and yeah, a prone hold it is indeed. good way of working the stomach muscles out.

By balancing in that manner it works out the stomach and lower back - known as the stabilisers. Probably one of the most important, and forgotten muscle groups. Get these strong, and you lessen the chance of injury and improve posture during other excercise.

Nelso wrote:

aardvark wrote:

photomike666 wrote:I presently bench 70Kg, 75Kg lats and 110kg on squats, so I'm nearly there.

The fastest men in the world all have large muscles, just look at the line up at the next 100m world final. A large muscle does not mean a slow muscle, quite the opposite if it has been trained to be powerful. The most powerful people on the planet like shot puters and weightlifters are also very fast with their movements. The problem you have is repetitive exertion over an extended time, so you need power endurance which is very different from straight out speed or power.

Yes, but a 100metre runner would get blown away over 400m by an 800m specialist simply because you cannot carry that much muscle at that speed for long. Lactic acid is the curse of 400m and 800m runners whereas a 100m runner doesn't even begin to feel the effects of lactic acid buildup. Power endurance is a misnomer in that it doesn't exist except in the vocabulary of personal trainers and the like. Look at the WSM contenders picking up those rocks - power is what they use to pick it up, strength is what they use to hold it up and carry it. Power is simply explosive, fast twitch muscle contraction and cannot be repeated continually and in fact there is no sport in which it is required. This is an argument/discussion not really suited to this forum though and is VERY hard to discuss using a keyboard...!

Nelso wrote:
No strength trainers ever train slow. I'm talking REAL strong people that bench over 200kg or squat or deadlift over 400kg. There is a time when training slow and controlled will get you greater strength gains and that is in the first 6 months of training, or when you are young, when the nervous system is very inefficient at recruiting motor units (groups of muscle fibres attached to a motor neuron) but as your nervous system develops you need to maximise the force exerted to recruit as many motor units as possible to achieve the greatest strength gains. To give you an example, Olympic weightlifters only lift the weight up fast and then drop it on the floor once it's up so their is no eccentric component to the lift yet they would blow any bodybuilder away in the strength department. Slow eccentric loading will increase the onset of DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) but it does not translate into greater strength gains.

Weightlifters are powerful but are not strong. If they were to hold the weight up or pick it up and put it down repeatedly, then I would consider them strong. Weightlifters are also incredibly unbalanced in their physique and have the WORST flexibility of any athletic group!
Bodybuilders are nothing but cream puffs and I don't classify what they do a 'sport', more a walking billboard for steroids and growth hormone...

Flywheels MC wrote:Yes, but a 100metre runner would get blown away over 400m by an 800m specialist simply because you cannot carry that much muscle at that speed for long. Lactic acid is the curse of 400m and 800m runners whereas a 100m runner doesn't even begin to feel the effects of lactic acid buildup. Power endurance is a misnomer in that it doesn't exist except in the vocabulary of personal trainers and the like. Look at the WSM contenders picking up those rocks - power is what they use to pick it up, strength is what they use to hold it up and carry it. Power is simply explosive, fast twitch muscle contraction and cannot be repeated continually and in fact there is no sport in which it is required. This is an argument/discussion not really suited to this forum though and is VERY hard to discuss using a keyboard...!

The comment was addressing photomike666s comment that large muscles were slow, and had nothing to do with lactic tolerance. You use the term power endurance as a layman's term as most people have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about phosphate decrement or lactic intolerance. As for muscular endurance and repeated exertion of power, boxing, judo and wrestling are three sports that come to mind. As you said it is not the forum to discuss this, and I hesitated to make the comments in the first place, but there are a lot of misnomers regarding training and I thought it might save someone making the same mistakes many have made before.

Flywheels MC wrote:

Nelso wrote:
No strength trainers ever train slow. I'm talking REAL strong people that bench over 200kg or squat or deadlift over 400kg. There is a time when training slow and controlled will get you greater strength gains and that is in the first 6 months of training, or when you are young, when the nervous system is very inefficient at recruiting motor units (groups of muscle fibres attached to a motor neuron) but as your nervous system develops you need to maximise the force exerted to recruit as many motor units as possible to achieve the greatest strength gains. To give you an example, Olympic weightlifters only lift the weight up fast and then drop it on the floor once it's up so their is no eccentric component to the lift yet they would blow any bodybuilder away in the strength department. Slow eccentric loading will increase the onset of DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) but it does not translate into greater strength gains.

Weightlifters are powerful but are not strong. If they were to hold the weight up or pick it up and put it down repeatedly, then I would consider them strong. Weightlifters are also incredibly unbalanced in their physique and have the WORST flexibility of any athletic group!
Bodybuilders are nothing but cream puffs and I don't classify what they do a 'sport', more a walking billboard for steroids and growth hormone...

You need strength for power. Power is simply a great force applied as fast as possible. Without the strength you will not be able to move a large load fast. Repeated exertion is muscle endurance, not strength. As for weightlifters having the WORST flexibility. How well can you do snatch squats (overhead squats)? They require a lot of flexibility to do them to the floor and a decent weightlifting coach will have their athletes stretch for at least half an hour every session. Granted many amateurs in the sport are in poor health (obese) and are inflexible but to do a snatch properly you need incredible flexibility. I would put rugby union and rugby league players in the category of worst flexibility. Once you have trained a few of them you would know what I mean. Have to agree on the comment about bodybuilders though as they are usually the most uneducated ill-informed trainers you will find in any gym but because of the drug induced size of them the average punter thinks they must know what they are talking about and copy their training techniques.

I think I've probably wasted everyone's time enough now so I will just leave it at that. Lets get back to talking about bikes.

Nelso wrote:I think I've probably wasted everyone's time enough now so I will just leave it at that. Lets get back to talking about bikes.

I'll drink to that! (A low fat protein shake) I will certainly agree with the league and rugby players being inflexible, especially the forwards...

Action wrote:

Nelso wrote:I think I've probably wasted everyone's time enough now so I will just leave it at that. Lets get back to talking about bikes.

I'll drink to that! (A low fat protein shake) I will certainly agree with the league and rugby players being inflexible, especially the forwards...

when i got into my "bodybuilding" stage it made me so inflexible (no stretching is a bad idea)... made playing soccer harder, plus i was carrying extra weight...

Neka79 wrote: plus i was carrying extra weight...

What's changed?

aardvark wrote:

Neka79 wrote: plus i was carrying extra weight...

What's changed?

i was abt 10% body fat and 85kg... and now im 80kg and abt 40% bodyfat...lol

age doesnt help!

Indoor cricket religiously on a Toosday. Sure we drink the occasional sherbet when we're there, but I'm almost always sore on a Wednesday and even more so on a Thursday, those two over bowling spells really take it out of me these days, might have to go back to the spin next season .

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I must be doing something right, at the end of my first season I got 10th at the Vic State Championships. Now at the start of my second season I have finished 7th in the ACT State Championships.