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Black Magic wrote:

Neo_nick wrote: but back to the original post
I definantly do think you get targeted more riding a motorbike than driving!

We are a minority- let's stick together.

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Biggles and stix - Do you need a hug?

Yes i would like a hug...

Just So you know, radars are callibrated with the %age allowed for error plus a bit in the drivers favour.

And yes police do look at common sense shit as mentioned by the good strika. Especially mobile phones . But also like they say, its only ilegal if you get caught...,meaning police cant be everywhere.

As for discretion, it does not mean you can turn a blind eye to offences and crimes, just in how to deal with them. the law states (which is legislation passed through parliament not merely a guideline or rule of thumb) that you cant carry more speed than the signposted limit on a road or road related area. it does not mention anything about safety factors which can be taken into account, that factor is reserved for the charge of driving in a manner / speed dangerous. If you get caught 140 in a 110 no other dangers, normal situation, you get a ticket no dramas, but if there is a lot of traffic or kids on the footpath or the road is wet etc... then you can expect to be charged with speed dangerous AND the exceed speed

Hey Quicky,why dont you guys pull over the slow drivers and ask why the speed difference,as you know,we try to get around them asap and sometimes go over the posted limit {safety for us!} I believe they would cause quite a few accidents

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Quick_Stix,while I have your attention,why not put your hand up for a "ask the cops" thread,similar to the zx12 site in Canada? cheers GB

gearbox wrote:Quick_Stix,while I have your attention,why not put your hand up for a "ask the cops" thread,similar to the zx12 site in Canada? cheers GB

I'd be happy to, but it would be mainly focussed on NSW.

Things that concern me are the nasty way the limits are applied. (and I'm not blaming Police here.) 12km/h over the limit (12% at 100km/h) cops you one demerit point in Qld and NSW. 13km/h cops you 3 points! One- quarter of a full licence or three quarters of a provisional licence for 13km/h over the limit. (less than 12% in a 110km/h zone...)
As mentioned before ADRs allow 10% variance in speedo readings but you can get booked for 1km/h over. New fixed cameras in Queensland will photograph you at 1km/h over- even the Police minister has said she CANNOT guarantee their accuracy!
The metric system we use here means speed tolerance is less than other countries that don't use the metric system- e.g. UK and USA. If you go 10 miles per hour over the limit, you would be going 16 km/h over the limit. Much easier to keep within 5 miles per hour of the limit than 5 km/h of the limit.
I know the speedos in my bikes vary between each other. My GT is probably the least accurate. I haven't been booked on it, but it is a real possibility.

bonester wrote: If you go 10 miles per hour over the limit, you would be going 16 km/h over the limit. Much easier to keep within 5 miles per hour of the limit than 5 km/h of the limit.

Lucky bastards but I wouldn't live there for quids.

Lucky bastards but I wouldn't live there for quids.

I'll second that BUT my brother got caught going nearly 180km/h in his 911 Porsche on the M25 in London. They let him off with a warning. Here you would be jailed. When I was there my little RG250 would only do 160km/h and I got passed regularly, even by cops. Good roads (8 lane wide) but have a 128km/h limit IIRC (80Mph...might have been 70- this was 6 years ago.) and not enforced as rigourously as here...

Strika wrote:I cannot see a situation which would enable a road to be legislated at 140kph no matter how good it is.

I'm guessing you are referring to the current roads you know of and the type of attitude that prevails in the general population. The reason I point this out is because its the symptoms we are talking about here not the issue. I agree (referring to NZ) that most likely their are no roads that warrant this type of speed LIMIT ...that doesn't rule out altogether that there can't ever be a road with speed limit set with complete safety in mind. People always pull out the "but what about the bad drivers who can't handle the speed" or "what about the bad cars that can't handle the speed." THATS NOT THE ISSUE...THATS PERIPHIAL TO THE REAL PROBLEM. If we use this type of logic we could go to the extreme and ban cars altogether so no car accidents would happen. In these circumstances the REAL problem is that these cars are on the road in the first place and if they really can't handle it, get them off the road. Secondly, these idiots driving on the road are not rightly being held to account for their stupidity. Its a complete attitude change as I've said before. I agree with you Strika but you seem to have missed my point (I'm not having a go here either)...I'm merely stating that SPEED IN ITSELF IS NOT BAD....EXCESSIVE SPEED IN CIRCUMSTANCES IS. Can we all agree on this point?

Strika wrote:The truth of the matter is that most people cannot cope with this type of speed.

Correct, but once again not my point...this is a symptom that can be corrected with proper driver skill education and 'risk assessment' education. I'm not suggesting we should all go out and drive everywhere at 140kph...it was an example.

Strika wrote:it might not mean you don't "Have" to do that speed, but try telling some young inexperienced testosterone filled teen with his Provisional licence that he is not capable of that!!! He's gunna tell you he's 6' tall and bullet proof!! I know I was at that age! Now I'm just rubber band proof!!

Another symptom of the real problem....personal responsibility.....I for one would like our Government to give it back to us. Maybe the age is too young for a license??? I believe it is certainly wayyyyy to easy to get your license and this is the main problem why we have so many idiots on our roads in NZ. Once again for example, In Germany you need to have completed a certain number of hours behind the wheel of a car, being instructed by a qualified instructor. You must have completed a certain amount of hours driving and being instructed in urban areas and then the same on the autobahn at high speeds. This is all before you have earnt the right to attempt to sit the test!? Mum and dad can't teach you...you gotta be taught by an instructor. Furthermore it cost's about $3500 euros to get your license...thats a lot of money...makes you realize the importance of it doesn't it!

Strika wrote:What I do think is wrong with the way laws are enforced is the spirit of the law! I am sure whoever wrote the speed limits in the first place didn't do it with the intention of nailing drivers for 2 klm over the limit!

Agree completely....the answer is money. Drivers are easy targets for fines.

Strika wrote:I see no danger, in daylight, on a clear dry day, without other mitigating factors in running 10kph over the limit. I really cannot see how this is a danger in the correct circumstances. Nor do I believe doing 280 kph along a stretch of open road, with a smooth flat surface, fully fenced with visibility stretching for kilometres is dangerous to anyone other than the rider!

Although I agree with you, you seem to have contridicted yourself here...you have previously stated that you can't imagine any road safe enough for a speed limit of 140kph, yet you now have said this...if its safe, why cant the limit be set at that speed?

Strika wrote:If I were able to, I would have the police looking at common sense shit, like when dickheads do U-turns in the middle of the black spur, in a truck with a trailer in tow!!!!! Or fuckheads that change lanes without looking, let alone indicating!!! Like fucksticks on mobile phones! And wankers who can't stand people passing them so they speed up as you try to pass, then slow down once you don't make it around them!!!!!

I agree 100% and in fact this is closer to their real job description in my view. The reason I believe that they don't do this is because this brings no control for the police/the Government. Generally without sounding too much like a conspirator, but any power in force would rather their subjects be dependent on them to retain this power...its so very obvious in NZ at the moment with our Gov, but I won't delve any further into it.
Now pawns like Quick Stix don't even realize that they are doing it...they have been sufficiently brain washed into thinking they are doing it "for safety reasons." Like I posted earlier, its interesting to note that on the autobahns in Germany, they actually have minimum speeds set "for safety reasons!" Go figure huh?

PS if you read all this I'm impressed...sorry for the long winded reply!

gearbox wrote:Quick_Stix,while I have your attention,why not put your hand up for a "ask the cops" thread,similar to the zx12 site in Canada? cheers GB

Oh Lord help us...what were you thinking???

RichB wrote:I have nothing else worthwhile to add this thread

Oh no...that seemed pretty good bud...very worthwhile!

Quick_Stix wrote: As for demerits and discretion, its advised that there must be extenuating circumstances for warnings or other non formal action being taken with respect to offences involving loss of demerit points.

Does that include the warning I was given for my rego holder on Sunday?

Black Magic wrote:

Quick_Stix wrote: As for demerits and discretion, its advised that there must be extenuating circumstances for warnings or other non formal action being taken with respect to offences involving loss of demerit points.

Does that include the warning I was given for my rego holder on Sunday?

Is that a demerit able offense? Probably just a fine surely!

Haha!! its funny you said that, i saw a bloke with one on his bike today and immediately thought of you!! And no i didnt pull him up and give him a ticket...but the lady that went straight through a stop sign did get one. I dont know how many points it is, if any, but remember QLD is completely different to NSW. They may not have the same 'recommendations' regarding extenuating circumstances. Plus as there is really no safety factor involved, is there any harm? Its the same as another woman today who had an expired rego label still on the car from February. The new label was on the front window and the car was registered so instead of getting a $400 odd ticket, I told her to take it off so she wouldnt get in trouble in the future.

oh and biggles, I was arguing the safety aspect for the reason why the governments set the laws in the first place. The reason Police enforce them is because they are are the LAW.