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Daisy wrote:

greeny wrote:Its sooooooooooooooooo farken simple. If you are not breaking the law then the government/police using hidden cameras is not an issue.

You aren't getting it are you? Just because it's THE LAW doesn't make it a good thing and certainly doesn't make it right.

And you obviously aren't getting it, are you? It may not be a good thing and it may not be right, but it IS THE LAW and you know it. If you choose to break it and get caught, stiff shit. Get over it. Have a sook about it if you like, but you're the one who's still paying the fine.

Getting around breaking the speed limit isn't going to get the law changed. It's just going to continue to line the government coffers. If it bothers you that much then start up, contribute to or support a national campaign and/or investigation into road safety reforms.

If you really don't give a shit, then continue to speed around the place and pay my wages.

wow.

ok um there are speed cameras for a reason i know since i got caught and paid the price of walking for 3 months i have slowed down been more aware of the speed zones i am travelling in.

if people pass me good luck to them, i secretly hope there is a cop to catch them one day, i would rather know i am abiding by a rule or law which is in place to protect me eventually by making sure i know what speed the road is safe to travel at, rather than worry about getting somewhere 5 minutes sooner.

yeh they hide them, good on them, because we all know if we knew they were there we would slow down to 5 ks under just to be sure and then speed off straight after.

what good is that doing? none, but if you get a nasty fine a few weeks later you stop and think and hopefully change your attitude.

daisy you have 80km limit on ls as you are inexperienced with the machine, the government rta whoever thinks this is the safest fast speed you can travel at while still controlling the vehicle in a safe manner. if they let all learners out on a biek or car and daid no speed limit go for it how many would last longer than a day? im thinking not many.

so stick the 80km out it doesnt last long.

mick_dundee wrote: Ross79, what happens if out the arse end of NSW riding at night at 130km and a roo jumps out to cross the road? "Maybe" at 100k you could have stopped/swerved??

My point is you tend to concentrate more when going faster (built up areas is a different story). So at a 100 I'm more likely to hit the roo as I find no matter what I do my concentration tends to wander more than if I were travelling at 130. I'm not implying that I travel at 130 as I can't afford fines and my job requires me to have a license. Still most places where roo's are a common occurance tend to be signed to inform you, so you can adjust your speed.

i sort of agree with all the basic simple answer is dont speed, dont pay......however, every person that rides a motorcycle for pleasure is going to break the speed limit at some stage so dont be a dick and do it in burbs get out there on some of our great country roads and play. whereby your only risking your own head.

in regards to cameras they are more use in the burbs catching idiots that risk all of our lifes by speeding in and around our local streets, what is needed in the hills is a greater police pressence if slowing people down is what they are REALLY after...

if you hit the roo when you were travelling at 100kmh, then of course travelling at 130kmh in this instance would have been much safer.

Because at 130kmh, Ross would have been hundreds of metres past the point where the kangaroo jumped out onto the road....

Its true, in this example.

If your number's up, its up. Simple as that. When I almost got cleaned up by a 7' Eastern Grey near the Bombala turn-off , all I needed was another 5kmh faster than what I was travelling at, and bye-bye lardarse. Another 20kmh ? what kangaroo ??

Screw the law, what happened to freedom of choice? It should be up to the rider how fast you go..... notice I said rider this does not include drivers who I despise with a passion unless they ride as well

aardvark wrote: And you obviously aren't getting it, are you? It may not be a good thing and it may not be right, but it IS THE LAW and you know it. If you choose to break it and get caught, stiff shit. Get over it. Have a sook about it if you like, but you're the one who's still paying the fine.

That's crap. So when somebody copies a CD they own onto a music player (in aus) or is a homosexual in certain countries, they should just HTFU and cop it sweet? That's utter BS.

MiG wrote:

aardvark wrote: And you obviously aren't getting it, are you? It may not be a good thing and it may not be right, but it IS THE LAW and you know it. If you choose to break it and get caught, stiff shit. Get over it. Have a sook about it if you like, but you're the one who's still paying the fine.

That's crap. So when somebody copies a CD they own onto a music player (in aus) or is a homosexual in certain countries, they should just HTFU and cop it sweet? That's utter BS.

but we are not talking about burning CD's or homosexuals..... we are talking about speeding....

Remember, in a lot of ways laws are directed at the lowest common denominator.... You think most riders ride as well as you do? or as well as they should? the same applies for car drivers ofcourse...

alright.
let's get one thing straight.
there's no such thing as right and wrong, only a difference in opinion and majority rules. that's what laws are. the majority of people in our society through the process of representation in parliament have agreed that this is what is preferred. wanna change things? lobby parliament, run for parliament yourself, do something constructive that actually has the ability to make a change. pointless you might say.
that's because the majority of people actually agree with the laws, cos funnily enough, that's how they became laws in the first place.
yes, this is a democratic society and everyone is entitled to their opinions but what good is it doing you?

another point.
"you concentrate more when your speeding"
ever heard of a bloke named alfred einstein? he's famous for his theory of relativity. basically it's all about perception. how long before driving at 130 is boring and you need to drive at 160 to be able to concentrate?
is driving at 100 suddenly more demanding therefore requiring more concentration if the speed limit is 70, or more to the point, everyone else is doing a lesser speed? don't give me that bullshit. there was a time when cars struggled to do 60mph flat out in top gear. thank fuck i wasn't around for that, i woulda fallen asleep everywhere i drove.
I think most people here could agree that after a day at the track or a serious blat, sitting on 160 seems really slow. perception people.

I'm no angel, i enjoy a spirited blat as well, but i'm also aware of the consequences of my actions before i plant the foot or twist the wrist, therefore accepting the punishment the instant i break the defined boundaries. don't kid urself. there's no grey area. there is a defined limit on every road. not an advised speed. you either drive at a speed above or below this limit. if you drive below, you won't get booked. if you drive above, you may. and the fact that breaking the law in this instance doesn't bring with it a guaranteed penalty, we should all feel pretty damn lucky.

you can't simply do what you like in this society. despite my views on right and wrong, i'm still intelligent enough to realise that my actions affect others and in order to function in this society, achieve goals i've set for myself, and live with a certain degree of happiness, i know i have to toe the line, or accept the consequences if i don't.

you may find yourself on the other side of the fence one day.
and when a loved one is hit by a car travelling at 100kmph, i hope you can stand in front of the camera and say that it wasn't speed that killed your kin. the driver fell asleep cos he was so bored. the speed limit should be lifted from 50 to 130 outside school zones.

and before you reply saying that ni'm taking your words out of context or that i'm being excessive or flippant in my examples, pull ur head out of ur arse and actually have a think about how you would like things to be. read what you've written. this is apparently what you people want.
EDIT: thank fuck you people aren't in any position of real power.

Go Diesel.!! Great post mate.

So what you're saying diesel is that if someone gets hit in 100km/h zone by a car doing 100 the speed limit should be lowered As that appears to be that attitude of late. Why don't we just make the speed limit 20km/h and that way we can further reduce the road toll!
Like I said it's not speed that kills, it's the person behind the wheel. If YOU read what I said I was talking about long stretches of road where you can safely sit on a faster speed! eg: Bendigo to Mildura (with the exceptions of the towns in between). You immediately jump to the conclusion that I think the speed limit should be jacked up 50k everywhere, so I think you better read it again!

kellz wrote: if you get a nasty fine a few weeks later you stop and think and hopefully change your attitude.

I got one a year ago for 122 in a 110. That's gotta be life threatening. the time before was 20 years ago. Its not like I'm advocating open slather, I just see these 'new' limits as a restriction - because I remember when we didn't have them. I personally have done nothing to warrant these limits, and I resent being limited to a par with the abilities of a mullet headed retard in a Falcadore or a fooly sik bro in a Skyrine or Rancer. My 'attitude' is still : People should be taught to drive/ride, not just taught to pass a test.
For the record, I agree that we need limits in suburban streets and lower ones (40k Diesel) outside schools. I do not agree that greed cameras are a safety device.

daisy you have 80km limit on ls as you are inexperienced with the machine, the government rta whoever thinks this is the safest fast speed you can travel at while still controlling the vehicle in a safe manner. if they let all learners out on a biek or car and daid no speed limit go for it how many would last longer than a day? im thinking not many.

so stick the 80km out it doesnt last long.

Kell, I learned to ride a bike more than thirty years ago And I've ridden road bikes up to 750 and a 465 trail bike, so I'm far from inexperienced - I'm just newly licenced. At the start I thought I could live with the L's for six months, but after about 6 weeks I was soooo over it. I find that travelling at 80 (with an L plate) in a 100 zone is extremely dangerous. In a single lane drivers see the plate and all they want to do is get past me. On one hand I understand as I know how frustrating it is to follow a mobile speed hump, but on the other hand I feel totally vulnerable because I know they won't try to pass me safely. On a dual lane it's worse, because there are two or more vehicles jostling for a passing position. Some days its just not worth the frustration, so I take the car.

yes that is true, but it goes on majority, like diesel has said majority wins all the time.

yes it does suck that you are stuck on 80 for x amount of months, but try doing 80 for 6 months then 90 for 12 months on p plates.

i agree people should be taught better when learning how to drive, but that comes down to whos responsible and who is gonna pay.
i know i couldnt afford a driving lesson every week i was lucky to get one once a month so i had to rely on my parents to teach me, and the experience i gained from actually being on the road.

im not having a go at you, i agree with some aspects but i also feel that it is a privilage to be able to use the roads and not a right, so we must respect the rules we are given and follow them
if we dont like it then dont use the road, thats just how i see it.

I havent read the whole thread but as far a cameras in bins etc if there in a black spot ok if there just at random where they will catch the most speeders weather it be 5 ks or 50 ks over thats WRONG They keep calling them safety cameras well then it makes sence to me to place them where there is a SAFETY issue.Maybe thats not everybodys view but it makes sence to me And dont even get me started on 3km tollerances

safety cameras my ass!!!
Revenue collecting, no doubt about it!

But if you speed and get caught, done deal. just that it is a dirty way of doing it!!!