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wet4uracing wrote:my mom says its ok so its ok

As long as Ma and or Mom are happy, thats all that matters.... sorted.!

wow dats some real old mags kool

Dave, get over it.
if you wanted to race a zx7r
you need to prove that it's eligible not the PCRA to prove it's ineligible
the PCRA did not change the rules to allow the zx7r in someone just provided proof that it was available in 1995.
you need to stop spreading miss truths on your web site and just get over it.
new era may change to reflect the MOMS
but that is just for new era 1, the next national class.
new era 2 will remain a club class.

murray clark wrote:Dave, get over it.
if you wanted to race a zx7r
you need to prove that it's eligible not the PCRA to prove it's ineligible
the PCRA did not change the rules to allow the zx7r in someone just provided proof that it was available in 1995.
you need to stop spreading miss truths on your web site and just get over it.
new era may change to reflect the MOMS
but that is just for new era 1, the next national class.
new era 2 will remain a club class.

FFS, here we go again with ppl who don't read posts, or PM's...
Murray, What miss truths have I spread..?
I suggest you read my posts and tell me what I said that is incorrect.......
I have stated the zx7r is eligable for new era 2 numerous time and have not questioned it.
Tell me, where did I say the zx7r is or should not be eligable under current rules..?
At the time it was the PCRA that said it was not eligable, it was clearly stated on there list at the time..
The only query I put up was one made on the PCRA site by a committee member, not me, that suggested if the rules did change to MOMS some of the border line bikes may not be eligable.
As stated, that may or may not affect the zx7r, you sort it from there....
So tell me..?

murray clark wrote:......the PCRA did not change the rules to allow the zx7r in someone just provided proof that it was available in 1995.......

I understood that the issue was the availability of the zx7rr, not the r, and the *cough*bullshit*cough* compliance plate that magically 'appeared' on a certain zx7rr in no way proves the eligibility of *that* particular model.

For what its worth, the idea of changing the rules to when the model was available to Joe Public, is just garbage.....how is a competitor meant to prove when a bike was first sold to a member of the public, when the original importer of the brand ( and particular model) has been out of the game for 15 fuckin' years ??? Check 'their' records ?? Yeh right, no worries. ( Referral here is to another older model bike, not the zx7rr)

If a model was ridden on NSW roads, as a registered example, even if it was by a journo in the first-ever test of *that* particular model, then by definition that model is 'first available and sold to the public / deliver to purchaser / whatever'. There is *no* definition of *who* the public is, or how many models need to be available in order to meet the new eligibility rules.

I just don't understand why certain problematic models are banned straight out, as they already do in P5 with the Katana and TZ 'G' models ???? Its far easier and there is no 'grey' area..........onus of proof just invites mischief.

Totally agree Gos, the question was raised on the PCRA site about what happens to the borderline bikes when new era becomes a historic class as the Moms rules differ to those rules new era is currently run under..
I have brought that up here, and appear top have upset those that have a vested interest...
Strange as I don't believe I have ever said any bike isn't eligable... I just asked the question...

As I said, it wasn't raised by me but the PCRA Committee, I just asked it here and ppl didn't like it..

My opinion, the zx7r is already eligable and should stay eligable if the rules change to moms, but it will have to be proven and until it has I'd wait.. That is my answer to the original question that started this... my 2c, if you don't agree, fine.!
The zx7rr is another kettle of fish, as those that came out in late 95 didn't have compliance plates (according to Kawasaki) so other proof is required. As stated I have a pic of one from a DEC 95 mag, if thats all it takes then its OK. If the rules change to Moms I have no idea how that will affect it.

Unlike others on here, I'm, quite happy to say, I'm not sure, or I don't know, and have said so. I also took the time to look into it posted the only factual information I could find, as meaningless as it is... others seem to struggle with that.
To be told I'm spreading miss truths when I have made no judgements or definative statements and have only questioned things, really pisses me off.!!

MadKaw wrote:Tell me, where did I say the zx7r is or should not be eligible under current rules..?

I think that you stated once that the 7R should be banned but that was just to get a rise out of me

I totally agree with you Dave, I don't believe that you have ever stated that a particular bike be it the ZX7RR, ZX7R, or the GSX-R T should be banned etc. All you have done is raised a couple of concerns, one being that the current rules say one thing and if the class becomes 'official' then some people may be left out in the cold with no where to race the bike they have poured their time and money into and secondly how to do you prove a certain model was made available for sale to the public.

From memory I think you also support the idea that if it was to become an official class that the cutoff year should be 1996 models so those that have these 'edge of time' bikes could still race.

This is a very interesting thread

mitch nothing personal as i have never met you . but get the cows cock out of your mouth. he has from day dot not wanted ZX7's in coz he hasnt got 1. and T models too. i woud've i could've is all i hear from these wingin lot of could be's.
mitch hope your racin down here nxt wk end . the more 7's the better.
next there will be some sort of rule that i'm not allowed to let my mate marty on his old bike

Maybe if they bring another rule in that doesn't allow you to race your 7 Paul, you could attach another new compliance plate that says it was available in 94.

Benno wrote:Maybe if they bring another rule in that doesn't allow you to race your 7 Paul, you could attach another new compliance plate that says it was available in 94.

wet4uracing wrote:mitch nothing personal as i have never met you . but get the cows cock out of your mouth. he has from day dot not wanted ZX7's in coz he hasnt got 1. and T models too. i woud've i could've is all i hear from these wingin lot of could be's.
mitch hope your racin down here nxt wk end . the more 7's the better.
next there will be some sort of rule that i'm not allowed to let my mate marty on his old bike

What a load of shit, but fairly typical of your posts so not totally unexpected.
Wow, You guys really are blowing this way out of proportion aren't you, with personal attacks, accusations of miss information, trying to ban bikes, having a secret agenda and the PM's... you can't be serious.? you are reading way to much into this, or on a different thread.
But, for your information, I have not stated the 96 models should be banned (unless as a joke), you show me where I have ?.
All I have commented on is sorting the rules and the eligability list so ppl know what they can race. If that meant changing to known model years, it would mean some bikes are out, or, if the date was changed there would be less unknowns and more bikes included depending which way it went.
As Mitch said, I supported the change to include 96 models so the eligability list could be cleared up.
There were 25 ppl at a meeting at the previous BSM and all but one of them wanted the eligabilty issue's sorted and to be made as known model years to 95. The PCRA were going to address it, they didn't, Brian was there, ask him.
I couldn't give a rats arse what turns up, my questions to the PCRA was to clarify the rules, not ban bikes, so ppl knew before they invested $, mainly cause I got stung.
It appears that some ppl are taking this personally when the only real issue in question is the rules, not what bikes. Even the PCRA don't know what bikes will be eligable if the rules change, check there site and blast them, its the same question raised here.
Funnily enough I don't notice your helpful, insightful, intelligent comments on the PCRA site much, If your so interested in this subject and the future of the class get involved on there and have your say, thats where all this is from and thats where the decisions are made (or not made).!
Didn't see you guys accusing anyone in this thread of miss information or wanting bikes banned, which is what started this.
http://www.postclassicracing.com.au/for ... highlight=

You obviously need to have the newest, fastest bike to be up the front, and do whatever it takes to get it, I guess thats fine as thats what rules are for (I wish I did).. But then I'm happy cruising around on my old cheap dunger, at my age I don't have any delusions of granduer.

the newest huh. well you really have no idea what i have been doing for the last 3 yrs . i took my old dunger 98 R1 to asia and raced it there with a lot of success against brand new bikes. whatever it takes, yes . ever been in traction in an asain hospital ? yes whatever it takes

Read post, i think you should do the same.
miss truths, well where do I start.
PCRA changed the rules to allow the ZX7 GSXRT after I bought a ZXR.
To sleep well at night buy a ZXR not a ZX7 because the rules may change.
The list is endless, but the fact you are so upset suggests that what Wetty said is right on the money.
Again, get over it, the PCRA are doing a great job with new era.
And I hate having to repeat myself
New era 1, the next national class (moms), not New era 2, but maybe in 2020 ?

murray clark wrote:Read post, i think you should do the same.
miss truths, well where do I start.
PCRA changed the rules to allow the ZX7 GSXRT after I bought a ZXR.
To sleep well at night buy a ZXR not a ZX7 because the rules may change.
The list is endless, but the fact you are so upset suggests that what Wetty said is right on the money.
Again, get over it, the PCRA are doing a great job with new era.
And I hate having to repeat myself
New era 1, the next national class (moms), not New era 2, but maybe in 2020 ?

WTF ?, Ummmm, where have I said any miss truths..???? Check the link most is from the PCRA site, nothing I made up..
Quote it or put up a link to where I have said the zx7r should not be eligable.. I have linked info, so perhaps you should have the decency to do the same.

The GSXR T was eligable before I bought a zxr, the zx7r just after, they were racing em. The rr wasn't.. is it now.? I was told it wasn't, who knows,?
If you'd been around a little longer you would know the PCRA use to have an eligability list and it was all on there.. zx7r and zx7rr not eligable it said, FACT.
Nothing I made up.. Dunno what miss truth is there.??
Yes, zx7r is now eligable, my comment was when I enquired, I was told it wasn't. FACT. probly why they don't use the list anymore, don't you think.??

Richard Eastern made the statement on the PCRA site about buy a zxr if you want to sleep at night.. Not me.?
(check the link I put up)
Loyd, PCRA secretary made the statement about new era 2 coming under Moms.. not me..?
(check the link I put up)
I suggest you get your facts right and then acuse them of posting miss truths on the PCRA site.!

I don't know when NE2 will become a historic class, I don't know when the MOMs rules will be adopted.
I said I don't know and a question was posted as it was raised on the PCRA site by one of there long term members and the PCRA Commitee.. You may no better than them, I don't... Thats why its a question and I never said it was fact.

So I stil ask, what miss truths have I spread.??

Nothing "wety" says upsets me... I do get pissed off with ppl making bullshit accusations though.

And I hate repeating myself too, I believe I have made my thoughts very clear on the bikes mentioned, and that includes your zx7r. Get em out there and have green at the front.!!!
If you hate repeating yourself I suggest you get things right the first time before shooting your keyboard off.!

You have my number if you want to discuss this further instead of wasting valuable bandwidth.

Righto, that's enough you lot. If you don't start playing nice I'm gonna report you to the bloke who owns this ..... mmm, nevermind, as you were.