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mrmina wrote:i do a shit loads of calls in the car while travelling. There is no way i'll sign for the noose thats gonna hang me one day.

Its a fact of life, people use mobiles whether its hands free or not and its still a distraction.

whats the next step, turn mobiles off before jumping in the car.

pull ur head out ur arse people.

Daisy wrote:Never. Drive first - phone second. Better for the caller to repeat him/herself than to ask, "what was that crashing noise? Hello? Hello..."

So do you want the laws to suit you instead of morons who are trying to have an engaging conversation while driving? I believe you that you can do it, but others can't/

I can't even talk to passengers normally when driving. I tend to pause a lot and think slower.

even a hands free kit is dangerous, but it takes some of the problem away. When i first tried my phone on my bike, i found myself doing way over the speed limit and zig-zagging traffic, then i figured out what i was doing (with a shock) and slowed right down.

I do have to ask though, what is the aversion to using hands free in your car, surely anyone who has tried both can notice a difference

MiG wrote:

Daisy wrote:Never. Drive first - phone second. Better for the caller to repeat him/herself than to ask, "what was that crashing noise? Hello? Hello..."

So do you want the laws to suit you instead of morons who are trying to have an engaging conversation while driving? I believe you that you can do it, but others can't/

Call me selfish, but I want the laws to suit me. I spent a lot of years getting the experience I have and I fed up with my freedoms being curtailed because of the things dumbarses do.
Some people just shouldn't be allowed on the road in the first place.

Daisy wrote:

MiG wrote:

Daisy wrote:Never. Drive first - phone second. Better for the caller to repeat him/herself than to ask, "what was that crashing noise? Hello? Hello..."

So do you want the laws to suit you instead of morons who are trying to have an engaging conversation while driving? I believe you that you can do it, but others can't/

Call me selfish, but I want the laws to suit me. I spent a lot of years getting the experience I have and I fed up with my freedoms being curtailed because of the things dumbarses do.
Some people just shouldn't be allowed on the road in the first place.

So true, and a phone just makes them even worse

Anyone on here who thinks that driving whilst talking on a mobile phone or hands free DOESN'T increase the risk of accident (injury, death etc) is a complete nob.

So with that in mind, the reason I personally *don't* want people on mobile phones whilst driving is because I think it's a risk that shouldn't be required to be taken whilst driving, it's not something i would put on to someone else, and i don't think it's fair that people put that on to me.

Anyone with SOME driver training knows all about risk assessment and that the 'skill' of driving is more about making good judgements and behaviour than it is about being able to brake within 95% of the tyres optimal capability.

The idea of laws in general is to set a common ground and measure of respect towards each other that we all find acceptable and reasonable (by reasonable : i mean so that it's not so draconian as to cater for the most pissweak of idiots, and not so farcical and free that it implies we have no consideration for the safety and rights of others).

I don't want ppl on mobile phones. Where I can see things coming unstuck is that there are alot of couriers and on-site workers who work most (50%+) of their time on the road and they also need to be able to communicate. I'm prepared to accept people using hands free kits because of this, but I am not prepared to accept people using mobile phones.

However - I am very strongly of the opinion that given the proliferation of this (mobile phone, hands free use) that education about risk management regarding in-car distractions (mobile phones, two-way radio devices et cetera) should be, without exception, included within the driver licensing process.

stevew_zzr wrote:Anyone on here who thinks that driving whilst talking on a mobile phone or hands free DOESN'T increase the risk of accident (injury, death etc) is a complete nob....

I agree 100% - and the rest of your post is spot-on as well mate.

I'd have no problem with that law, and look forward to it saving my life.

Fact is, despite how good you think you are, you're not that good. Anything else you do while driving is limiting your concentration - whether a little bit or a lot isn't really relevant. There's enough stupid and incompetent driving already without adding mobile phone use - ban away.

THAT SAID: the problem isn't really the penalties, it's the enforcement. We have laws against mobile phone use already, but they're blatantly disregarded and not enforced. I see hand-held mobile use everyday on my short trip home from work. Not occasionally, but EVERY DAY. Yet despite decent fines and 3 demerits, people still do it, because they know the odds of getting booked are negligible. You're far more likely to get busted for doing 63km/h on a main road than mobile use - and which is more dangerous?

Tenoq wrote:Fact is, despite how good you think you are, you're not that good.

speak for ur bloody self!!

Neka79 wrote:

Tenoq wrote:Fact is, despite how good you think you are, you're not that good.

speak for ur bloody self!!

It's true. People hate, and I do mean HATE, being told that they can't drive. Everyone thinks they can, and most can't.

Those that think they can need to stop self assessing. They're probably the same people who changed the answers on their tests in high school if it was a "mark your own" kind of test.

aardvark wrote: They're probably the same people who changed the answers on their tests in high school if it was a "mark your own" kind of test.

mark ur own??

didnt u have teachers out in Port Peeerie??

Neka79 wrote:

aardvark wrote: They're probably the same people who changed the answers on their tests in high school if it was a "mark your own" kind of test.

mark ur own??

didnt u have teachers out in Port Peeerie??

I think it was there way of getting paid for doing less.

aardvark wrote:

Neka79 wrote:

aardvark wrote: They're probably the same people who changed the answers on their tests in high school if it was a "mark your own" kind of test.

mark ur own??

didnt u have teachers out in Port Peeerie??

I think it was there way of getting paid for doing less.

hmmm i like that theory..maybe i should let ppl "sell themselves" a heater??

maybe the cops could take it on board and let us fine ourselves for speeding?? good idea!!

burkys_ninja wrote:
Sorry, but i just need to go for a 15min drive to have a 5min smoke

i argued that at work. When i first started we had a balcony where we can go out and smoke. That got banned.

Then we had to go downstairs out side the warehouse to have a smoke. That got banned. Thats where the forklift gas bottles were to be stored

Then we had to go near the car park entrance which was about 200m futher than the last spot. That got banned cos we had plenty of international guests and it didnt look professional.

Then we had to go all the way to the back corner of the carpark that had no shelter to have a smoke.

I agrued that i had to walk, climb stairs and do whatever to for 15min for a 5 min smoko.

So i told them its my choice to smoke and i'm entitled to a smoko when i want and if that 20min downtime is to happen once every 1 or 1.5 hours then its their bad luck.

Didn't get much arguement. I think they were scared of me cos of my size.

mrmina wrote: i'm entitled to a smoko when i want

Just like they are entitled to dock your pay for the time you spend being unproductive whilst smoking?

What about all the people who want to take 5 minute wanking breaks?

I reckon, if you want to smoke, do it in your lunch break.