500km Oil Change?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:13 pm

frogzx12r wrote:...it might be YEARS but the motor MUST suffer. THINK about it.

By that time I will have traded it in and it will be well and truly someone else's problem

I'm not saying don't do it...I just don't see the value in it. Who picked 500k's as the scientifically determined change point? Why not 250? 100? Each and every run? Maybe we should go back to the good old days of total loss systems

All motors wear, it is a fact of life. But I still think the engineers determine the best way to maximise the life of the engine, so I'll keep sticking to their recommendations.

I-K · Post by **I-K** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:40 pm

hoffy wrote:look at it this way, the engineers of motorcycles dont get paid eleventy billion dollars to fuck shit up.

Neither do the marketing people, and when they argue, no doubt against the advice of the engineers, that the first service be no sooner than 1,000km because the customer would consider it onerous to return their bike to the shop at the 100km and the 500km mark, they win.

I-K · Post by **I-K** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:46 pm

ty wrote:That's what it comes down to - who's right and wrong is a hesaid-shesaid argument that'll go nowhere.

No, it isn't. Those who argue that changing the oil before the 1000km service because the manufacturer says not to bother are wrong, for reasons which have been amply stressed by a number of people.

This isn't politics, it's mechanics. There's a right answer and a wrong answer, and "Manufacturer knows best, so I'll keep doing as they say" is the latter.

ttc · Post by **ttc** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:50 pm

actually on same topic but little off track..

bike's now on 13,600km

hasn't had its 12,000 yet

suppose to go riding tomorrow, or should i hold off until i get it serviced??

rotaboy · Post by **rotaboy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:53 pm

u could always drop the oi/filterl tonite if u got some fresh stuff on hand

ttc · Post by **ttc** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:01 pm

not tonight, busy

just want to make sure it's ok to keep using it till i get it serviced..

rotaboy · Post by **rotaboy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:04 pm

i would say go 4 it after all whats 200-400 km if your already over
if the oil is in bad shape i would say no however (track day in there or something)

hammer · Post by **hammer** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:10 pm

tanyathecheeky wrote:actually on same topic but little off track..

bike's now on 13,600km

hasn't had its 12,000 yet

suppose to go riding tomorrow, or should i hold off until i get it serviced??

It will be fine that motor is fairly understressed

Neilp · Post by **Neilp** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:04 pm

The servicing dept will put synthetic oil in your bike at the first oil change, if the rings arent bedded in by the 1000 k service they arent going to.

Neil

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:37 pm

I-K wrote:
ty wrote:That's what it comes down to - who's right and wrong is a hesaid-shesaid argument that'll go nowhere.
No, it isn't. Those who argue that changing the oil before the 1000km service because the manufacturer says not to bother are wrong, for reasons which have been amply stressed by a number of people.

I have an open mind, so I'd like to see some proper figures on this. I'd accept any kind of empirical data that shows engine life deteriorating over time depending on when original oil is changed...and then I'll be in a position to determine whether I care

If it is the difference between my engine needing a rebuild in 100,000 km instead of 120,000 km then I don't

Gosling1 · Post by **Gosling1** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:45 pm

Neilp wrote:The servicing dept will put synthetic oil in your bike at the first oil change, if the rings arent bedded in by the 1000 k service they arent going to.

Neil

well, no they won't. Any dealer that did that to a new motor would be a total prick.

Its not just a matter of the rings bedding in, its the entire motor/gearbox that needs to be considered. The rings are just a small (though important) part of the bigger picture. The gearbox certainly won't have 'bedded-in' by the first service at 1000km.........

I got some advice about my 12 (well after it was needed

), by a bloke who has owned quite a few new bikes over the years......

His advice was - Ride the bike home from the dealer, and *Immediately* dump the original oil and filter, replace with new filter and same oil that dealer will use at first service (1000km).

Ride 3-400km, then dump this oil, and replace as above.

Then take bike into dealer for its *first* service......all the above advice assumes that you intend to keep your new bike for some considerable time, not just until upgrade time, in which case do everything as cheaply as possible........

ttc · Post by **ttc** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:49 pm

the kwakka workshop put motul 5100 in the new bikes after the first 1000km

thanks Stu

Post by **robracer** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:53 pm

tanyathecheeky wrote:the kwakka workshop put motul 5100 in the new bikes after the first 1000km

thanks Stu

thats fully synthetic?

Gosling1 · Post by **Gosling1** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:56 pm

My dealer would not run full synthetic oil until the 12k service. It was semi-synth up to that point from the 6k service, and full mineral oil for the first 6k. Thats what they did for my 12 in any case.

ttc · Post by **ttc** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:02 pm

Semi, it's what they use in 90% of the bikes