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yep i do know what it is,was just quoting a movie & as he said because it is more painfull. not because it is actualy possible

Gosling1 wrote:

roundman58 wrote:

ProblemChild wrote:the pr*#k should have been garotted with a spoon. the judge too (hope my spelling is o.k )

Spelling is almost okay, but do you actually know what it means to garrote someone?
I don't believe it is possible with a spoon.

its probably better than being spooned with a garotte....

the $750 fine is just an insult. Sounds like a good excuse to break out those barrels in Snowtown, for Mr Staveley.........

Thats crap. People are held more accountable and suffer way heavier penalties for much lesser offences than that. You'd get more for neg driving let alone neg driving causing death (which is what this is). Whats the world coming to?
Paul.

fat460 wrote:Thats crap. People are held more accountable and suffer way heavier penalties for much lesser offences than that. You'd get more for neg driving let alone neg driving causing death (which is what this is). Whats the world coming to?
Paul.

i agree 100%

why isnt anythin being done about this ?

Well knowing south australia if we are lucky there'll be some public outcry, and then Mike Rann will pretend he's in charge of the justice system, demand some kind of lame ass inquiry that proves beyond doubt how manifestly inadequete the sentencing process is and then nothing comes of it. But then that might not even happen because I think the attorney general is sick of Mike Rann interfering with the sentencing process anyway (after that cyclist got squished the other year and the guy - who was pissed and then fled the scene - got virtually no sentence at all)

But I agree with what other people have said about this being a full on anti-bike statement. It's like saying the life of the biker means nothing at all - just because bikes are supposedly 'dangerous'.

Well I hate to point out the obvious but the guy was squished by a CAR ... that means CARS are dangerous. It's not like he got squished by his own bike. Instead of going around blaming bike riders for getting killed all the time (although we do sometimes take ourselves out) how about we start pointing out that quite often it's the CARS doing the killing.

I-K wrote:Just to reiterate, what you say above is prejudiced, uninformed crap. Studies have shown it to be so

No, your the one talking crap. Emotional politically correct crap at that! Lets say your mother gets a bit of lint in her eye and though she tries, she can't get it out. So she pulls out of the carpark anyway and heads home from shopping. She doesn't see the rider coming because he's on the side with the watery eye, the bike hits her, the rider dies as a result. So what do we as a society do to your negligent mother? Throw her in goal with hardened criminals for 5 or 10 years? Fine her $150 000 and make her sell her house and go live in a caravan?

Stop being emotonal and look at the reality of it. Anyone can have a negligent moment on the roads, the roads are a risky place. It's not good to see another rider die but that's just life and the penalties may be very small but put yourself in the car drivers shoes. He didn't set out to kill a biker, he wasn't drunk or driving dangerously, had a momentary lapse of concentration. Not exactly a criminal offence.

I hate to disagree with a lot of you on this....but like most of us i drive a cage and ride. Accidents happen and unfortunately they happen to ppl on bikes, ppl on footpaths, ppl in cages, anyone who decides to enter on to a public road no metter what they decide to do it upon. Does anyone know the exact particulars of the case or are we all just presuming because this guy was in a cage he meant it and doesn't care about bike riders?. I hope this doesnt happen to me one day or for that matter any of you, I mean being the one on the bike or the one in the cage. Just for a minute imagine this bloke isn't a monster, but a bike rider himself, made a mistake and didn't look twice, missed seeing the bike and pulled out and now has to live with the fact he killed someones father/brother/son/husband/mate. Cmon guys these attitudes is why we dont get taken seriously when we argue points such as loud pipes save lives etc. I dont want to start an argument in here but when someone is charged over an accident and even when no one is charged over an accident, in the eyes of the law, there is always a party at fault, and sometimes the at fault party simply made a mistake, if everyone who has posted in here has never made a mistake whilst on the road, I stand corrected and appologise for making an arse of myself posting in this forum, but more than likely this tragedy was simply a horrific accident, fair enough if the guy was drunk at the wheel or driving unlicensed/unregistered or something of the sort, (just by the by for a comment back a couple of posts, if it was neg driving causing death, wouldnt he have been charged with it, instead of due care and att.?)but what if it was simply a case of a blindspot in a mirror, or a bush on the side of the road hid the motorcycle for that glance you give at a give way sign sometimes?......I am in no way saying that this guy is in the right, nor am I arguing the case of the Justice system and whether it was right, but without knowing the particulars of the case, I wouldnt be saying lock this guy up and throw away the key just yet, and if someone does, pls post them up for everyone to see too make an informed judgement (ps if they have and I have missed them, again appologies). In no way do I mean any disrespect to the family of the rider or the rider himself, It's horrible to hear of accident like these. RIP mate.

well magistartes arnt always fair.

i have been on both sides of the equation with a magisterate and some should not be there. Some cannot think clearly.

chameleon wrote:

I-K wrote:Just to reiterate, what you say above is prejudiced, uninformed crap. Studies have shown it to be so

No, your the one talking crap. Emotional politically correct crap at that!

So political correctness encompasses calling for tougher penalties under the law, now?

Lets say your mother gets a bit of lint in her eye and though she tries, she can't get it out. So she pulls out of the carpark anyway and heads home from shopping. She doesn't see the rider coming because he's on the side with the watery eye, the bike hits her, the rider dies as a result. So what do we as a society do to your negligent mother? Throw her in goal with hardened criminals for 5 or 10 years? Fine her $150 000 and make her sell her house and go live in a caravan?

So what happened to me being the one talking emotional crap?

But, since you insist...

...by deliberately pulling out onto the road with her vision impaired, my Mum has commited an act of willful negligence which she, as a driver of many years' standing, would've known the possible consequences of. Consequences she would also have known better than to ignore.

Throw the book at the bitch. Making her take out a six-figure loan against her home to pay punitive compensation to the victim's family seems about fair.

No home, garnish her wages.

No job, prison.

Stop being emotonal and look at the reality of it. Anyone can have a negligent moment on the roads, the roads are a risky place.

Where am I saying that people shouldn't have the right to be irresponsible? Quote me.

Everyone's got all the right in the world to be as much of a fuckwit as they like any time and any place they choose... but they also have the responsibility to face up to and accept the full conseqences of their fuckwittery.

It's not good to see another rider die but that's just life and the penalties may be very small but put yourself in the car drivers shoes. He didn't set out to kill a biker, he wasn't drunk or driving dangerously, had a momentary lapse of concentration.

Again, crap.

SMIDSY-type accidents don't, as a rule, occur as a result of a momentary lapse of concentration in otherwise examplary drivers. They occur because of a pattern, because probability catches up with people's irresponsible driving habits. If someone continuously changes lanes, turns right at intersections or pulls out of side streets without looking, they're eventually going to do it when there's something coming for them to hit.

Again, it is what studies into the driving habits of people involved in such accidents have shown and it's what makes sense just from the mathematics of it.

The probability that a SMIDSY accident will occur is the probability that the driver crossing the path of other traffic is doing so without looking compounded by the probability that there's something there for them to collide with. If the former probability component is equal to 1 as opposed to 0.001, the compound probability is going to be higher... a thousand times higher.

I have a traffic record seven pages long not because cops just happened to be there with a radar every single time I happened to turn the wick up, but because I speed everywhere.

Similarly, people don't have lapse-of-concentration accidents because of something that happened to them "just this once".

Not exactly a criminal offence.

No, not criminal; negligent.

Just as mistakes are only as small as their consequences, so should their repercussions be proportionate to their consequences.

any vechel is a wepon , and there for getting in one without thinking about the consaquenses is a crime !!!

ur told not to get ona bike unless ur thinking clear, why not a car as well ? no people just get in cars and go

copper pulled me over one rainy night. Neg driving he wanted to book me for. My car wheels spun and he wanted to book me for doing burnouts. Even with the traction control on, my car can easily break traction in the wet. Long story short, I got out of the fine, but it was roughly $1000. No one hurt, nothing.

We all have many similar occations to draw parallels (or in this case perpendiculars) to. Drive without rego $1000, kill someone, even if it is by accident, $750. Doesnt add... Fine, it was an "Accident". Alright, give him/her the benefit of the doubt. But if he/she is that incapable of keep concentration and kills someone, strip their licence for 5 years minimum. Show people you have to take responsibility for your actions and cant just say, "Oops, I'm sorry". Actions have consequence. I'm not saying I've never lapsed, but if my lapse causes this level of damage, I shouldn't be let into a position where another one of my lapses could cause a repeat inccident.

As said before... no justice...

some ppl need to get to bed earlyer

If you are negligent with a gun for example (ie waving it around, loaded, safety off, in a room full of people) and it accidently discharges and kills or injures someone - what do you think the punishment should be?

Pleading ignorance is just plain ... idiotic. If you are that dumb in the first place that you don't realise a loaded gun is potentially lethal if not treated with great care 100% of the time that it is placed in your care, maybe you should just off yourself for the safety of the general populace (joke!).

Same rule applies to cars. If you can't manage the risk 100% of the time you are on the road, then get off the road. Sure sometimes we get distracted, but if there is a distraction that requires attention (i.e. itchy balls ) then you can always pull over and scratch them.

Fact is, people aren't educated about how accidents occur, it's even worse these days as people are told that if they drink or speed they'll kill people - giving them a sense of complacency about any of their other driving habits. Accidents occur when your luck runs out .... plain and simple. If you constantly add to the already ever-present risks on the road then your number will come up sooner than others.

8 months is what my fiounsay got for drink driving and he didnt kill anyone and he got a $500 fine