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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:00 pm
by Blue14
were you still in neutral or something??
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:22 pm
by mick_dundee
Shifty wrote:I've only been on my 1100 for a few days but I have noticed one thing. At around 6000rpm the engine "really" starts to pull. But it could just be my imagination.. Did you get a chance to wind that 12R out with the bike shop guy riding shotgun in front of you?
Being on a Kawasaki site I can only assume you're referring to a ZRX1100. Not a bad little bike but as with the ZX12R I found that the acceleration was disappointing, particularly so on the ZRX. Today the ZX12R was in the optimum power band more than a few times, but just didn't go as hard as I'd expected.
ZZR 1100 I believe and from all accounts a great touring type bike and also good on a track day, daresay good for a fang too but there will be many more knowledgeable persons than I to advise there.
Only downfall is they're bloody heavy!
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:20 pm
by Neka79
Mick C wrote:The Hyabusa will be a dissappointment if you're after arm-wrenching acceleration......but wait till you ride the ZX10R
mate....
shifty- i hear wot ur saying..and i agree with the other post abt the noise..when i went from the 110hp VTR to the 135hp blade at first i didnt realise the diff...till i looked at the speedo..being noisy & vibrating a lot makes u think ur going a whole lot faster...
my blade pulls wot id consider "pretty well"..i have no trouble skinning brand new 600's (nor should i with 300cc more..but my bike is 6 yrs old)...tho i have also changed gearing (& now the bitch wheelies like a mongrel bastard dog on heat)....
ill also say that after riding my blade for a month i realised how much better it is than a VTR..handles better, accelerates quicker..and it has almost pulled my shoulders out a few times...
now the relevant bit...i rode the zx10r....comparing a 00 929cc blade to a 05 zx10r, similar bikes (inline 4)..ill tell u now..the 10 is quiter than mine (stock can i think)....but dont kid urself...id give up a kidney for a zx10r (hey theres an idea for sum extra $$??)
the 10 is farking awesome....havent ridden a new blade tho, but apparently (Dmitri now has one, has had 954, and 929) the current 1000 is better than the 929...
hth mate...
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:53 pm
by Nanna10r
Maybe the little test rides are.nt going to do the bikes justice Shifty. Dont think you're going to get any where near the Farkkkkkkkk ... i'm sliding backwards off the seat sensation" on a test ride. you really need a blat on a decent road where you can hustle it.along at pace to see any bikes real capabilities".
As for shit ya pants "its wheelstanding & wheelspinning acceleration" you wont beat a "crim" or a "gixer thou".
Once you start tossing the front wheel in the air &/or powerdrifting outta corners.then you're in big sportsbike Nirvana .that only really comes from a liter bike, hyperbike for we mere mortals.
Cheers Brett
PS Dont forget to take an F model 9r out mate, Its still the best of both worlds. Ask any 9r owner.
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:01 pm
by SocialSecurity
...or a C1/C2 9R
very similar bikes, but at least you dont bust headlights in minor stacks
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:11 pm
by Shifty
Barrabob wrote:If the 12r doesnt go hard enough for you shifty your in trouble, try replacing the back protecter with a parachute
I didn't say she wasn't fast, I just said she didn't feel fast. If I didn't know better I'd say the speedo was reading double!
Get it over with and buy the ZX12 ... you know you want to ...
It's heading that way, but I'm trying to make it look like I'm thinking for myself rather than doiing what I'm told
I was in a similar predicament to you. I had a 1998 Firestorm, and loved it for all it's low down gut wrenching torque. However the longer rides became a bit annoying due to the v twin character (vibration). So I went looking around. The ZX-12R has max torque of 134 nm at 7500 (the firestorm 0f 97nm at 7000). The 12R has max hp at 10500 (Firestorm at 9000) so in reality they are not too disimilar with a relatively broad spread of power. As a result you'll find the 12R more tractable to live with on a daily basis (as it seems you ride on a daily basis).
Your apparent disappointment with the 12R not going as hard as you think, I believe is due to a number of issues. Firstly the Storm has a beautiful V twin rumble that turns into a firebreathing roar. If you are doing over 150km/h - you know it due to this thunderous rapture. Comparatively the 12R is like a stealth fighter - silent and the only time you know about the speed is when you look down to see your speedo and think, f$%^ that's too fast!
The Storm has a small fairing, and gives plenty of "feedback" (buffetting) from the headwind - again making my rides a little more tiring. The 12R is fully faired, and slips through the wind more easily.
Don't get me wrong - the VTR is a GREAT road bike and I still miss mine a bit. But I think you are really dismissing a 12R too easily - as it is a FANTASTIC road bike.
Good luck wih your test rides and whatever you choose - enjoy it, after all it's just a motorbike!
I found that the 12 was really great down low and actually felt (power/torque-wise) very similar to the VTR down low but without the attitude. The extra top end is a great bonus but I think I'd need to open up the noise stakes a little to really get the sensation of speed.
So sayeth the Man !! and I agree 110% - the 10 is a great *quick* bike, but a bit *nervous* and *twitchy* on anything other than really smooth roads............and the 'Bus
Good luck mate - ps, the deal with Yamaha is a crock, I wanted a MT1 *really* badly, and the pricks at Action wouldn't even start the 1 model they had - wanted a *huge* deposit as well..........get fcuked, I put a rocket up the Yamaha Oz site, its a bloody joke really - I guess they are pretty comfortable with sales figures......
Some people bag the Busa for handling but I guess you can't say until you've ridden it so I'll reserve judgement. It's got semi-modern suspension and brakes so it can't be too bad.
As stated, Yamaha can eat my ass.
Shifty, rev that 12R to 10k (optimum. Genuine 170rwhp))mate then tell us it wasn't arm pulling, it too is a proven busa killer it missed out on the cult status the Busa got because KHI marketed its release wrongly.
(BTW you wont have a chance to look at the dials you will be too busy keeping yourself on the bike).
The 10 and the 12 have simular HP different weight and torque and are completely different machines for different type of riding.
Go 12R for long rides and general stuff and 10R for the weekend blat, trackwork and just an insane good time all the time
Anyway who said the words V twins and sports bikes should be used in the same sentence
If I had the money I would have both. Go try a Blackbudgie too so you know how good it was 5 years ago, it and the busa are old tech. At least the 12R was updated through the years.
Don't worry, it saw plenty of time up around the 10k mark, just didn't give the attitude I was expecting - makes for a fantastic road bike though. I gave the VTR a hit the other day down south and had a bit of a slap, then madfab did the same in front of me and no slapping to be seen so they look a good package!
I shan't be trying a Blackboring, I know too many people with them and they just aren't exciting. If someone says they've got a BB I'm like "oh okay" but if they say ZX10R I'd me more likely to say "fucking cool".
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:32 pm
by Shifty
Good work. The 12R will teach some things kindly
I was just amazed at how so completely rideable it was. It will take me a while to learn the power characteristics of a big four but the low-down torque is familiar so that's a good start.
Well shifty if the 12R is not fast enuff then you could always add one these to it for around the $300USmark
If your power runs out then it's cheating! "Sorry guys, I can't race, I just wore out my Power Commander"
mate....
shifty- i hear wot ur saying..and i agree with the other post abt the noise..when i went from the 110hp VTR to the 135hp blade at first i didnt realise the diff...till i looked at the speedo..being noisy & vibrating a lot makes u think ur going a whole lot faster...
my blade pulls wot id consider "pretty well"..i have no trouble skinning brand new 600's (nor should i with 300cc more..but my bike is 6 yrs old)...tho i have also changed gearing (& now the bitch wheelies like a mongrel bastard dog on heat)....
ill also say that after riding my blade for a month i realised how much better it is than a VTR..handles better, accelerates quicker..and it has almost pulled my shoulders out a few times...
now the relevant bit...i rode the zx10r....comparing a 00 929cc blade to a 05 zx10r, similar bikes (inline 4)..ill tell u now..the 10 is quiter than mine (stock can i think)....but dont kid urself...id give up a kidney for a zx10r (hey theres an idea for sum extra $$??)
the 10 is farking awesome....havent ridden a new blade tho, but apparently (Dmitri now has one, has had 954, and 929) the current 1000 is better than the 929...
hth mate...
The VTR is certainly no slouch as a road bike, if I feel the need I can keep up with most people through the twisties without pushing *too* hard... always wanted a V-Twin so I've been there & done that now, I can look to get something else. Realistically not looking until mid-year as I've got a Phillip Island trip shortly and that will eat a huge amount of money (three services and two sets of tyres in a month and I'll be due for a chain & sprockets when I get back).
Maybe the little test rides are.nt going to do the bikes justice Shifty. Dont think you're going to get any where near the Farkkkkkkkk ... i'm sliding backwards off the seat sensation" on a test ride. you really need a blat on a decent road where you can hustle it.along at pace to see any bikes real capabilities".
As for shit ya pants "its wheelstanding & wheelspinning acceleration" you wont beat a "crim" or a "gixer thou".
Once you start tossing the front wheel in the air &/or powerdrifting outta corners.then you're in big sportsbike Nirvana .that only really comes from a liter bike, hyperbike for we mere mortals.
Cheers Brett
PS Dont forget to take an F model 9r out mate, Its still the best of both worlds. Ask any 9r owner.
Well that's what surprised me. I had a good run on each (probably 8-10km on the 12R, and 4-5km on the CBR1000) and I thought that's have been enough. The CBR felt notably faster but it was a lot louder and less refined in every respect, so I'd say that's the difference between the two.
I've had a sit on the 9R but no ride thus far, and as for the 10R I haven't even put my bum on one yet.
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:49 am
by varden
here i was going to out ya cos i saw you at team moto looking at all the hondas today
but ya bet me to it
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:53 am
by chameleon
mick_dundee wrote:
ZZR 1100 I believe and from all accounts a great touring type bike and also good on a track day, daresay good for a fang too but there will be many more knowledgeable persons than I to advise there.
Only downfall is they're bloody heavy!
Yes, I was refering to the ZZR. Heavy? Yes they are I suppose, but who cares, they don't feel all that heavy when their movin.
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:00 am
by camel
Well that's what surprised me. I had a good run on each (probably 8-10km on the 12R, and 4-5km on the CBR1000) and I thought that's have been enough. The CBR felt notably faster but it was a lot louder and less refined in every respect, so I'd say that's the difference between the two.
You hit the nail on the head. It is due to the louder and less refined character of the CBR you rode (and your VTR) that gives the "feeling" that the CBR is faster than the 12R. Feelings aren't facts.
Go the Stealth 12R Fighter...
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:50 am
by Shifty
here i was going to out ya cos i saw you at team moto looking at all the hondas today
Don't worry, that's where I rode the ZX12
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:48 am
by diesel
shifty, mate it seems only yesterday i was shaking my head at the fact u bought a hoooooooooommmmmmm thingy.
go a 10 esp if u can get a good trade in on the vtr
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:23 am
by Shifty
I'm not real big on the looks of the '06 ZX10R pics I've seen, but I remember disliking the photos of the K5 GSXR1000 which it turns out I actually quite like in the flesh.
All going to plan I'll be looking to buy mid-year so by then I'll have had a good opportunity to check out the new model, ride a few other bikes and decide which I like best.
In the interim I've got braided lines, 6-pot calipers and a bigger master cylinder to put on the VTR... that should make it a little more interesting
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:35 am
by Nanna10r
Bigger brakes yeah that'll fix what ails the vtr .... NOT,
Cheers Brett
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:44 am
by SocialSecurity
as much as i love all gixxer thou's, when you see a 1000RR and a K5 next to each other, its very clear that the honda has some of the nicest looking welds comming out of japan, where the suzuki's frame is held together with bits of old chewing gum
