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Jonno wrote:name the manufacturer is my question?

Name a single Chinese manufacturer mofo!
(of bit's that is )
and it's you're...not your MF!

i use stock levers.

they are fine.

I'll race any one of you

Jonno wrote:

smithy5 wrote:I heard that Makita and GMC power tools were made in the same Chinese factory. Makita got metal parts inside and the cheaper GMC got plastic bits.................. bottom line, you get what you pay for..........my 2 cents

It is all Chinese whispers I tell ya, but I have heard from a mate of a mate of my evil twin brother that Kevin07 and Joolya were made in China but they sent us the dud and the fake, now that everything is broken we find out there is no product support or warranty


I think people have an emotional attachment to their cheap bling purchases and need justify it in their minds when challenged hence the unsupported claims in some comments.
At the end of the day it is cheap knock off shite which ever way you turn it, it wont improve your riding ability on the road and much of it is non ADR compliant and even dangerous.

Better off spending it on suspension.

However each to their own

I spent money on Suspension and had $30 left over so I brought the cheap knock off levers

Have taken impact twice now and have held strong. Dont see how I am compromising my safety

Ohhh and I guarrentee ya that the OEM levers are cheap chinese crap

I tend to agree with Jonno,they look the same, but are they the same?
I suppose its hard to justify spending $200 on Pazzo's when you can get the same thing for $30???....hmmm
I can certainly see why the cheaper versions are more appealing.....maybe until you really need to use them for their intended use, it becomes clear why they are so cheap.
So....to be sure which is better and to clarify all this confusion, between Chinese or Pazzo's...
someone please supply pictures of both...
then break them half...
post pics up & we'll see

Already been done, got link on pc. Will post later but to summarize, chazzos are slightly heavier and not the same strength as pazzo's. However saying that I think the guy who broke them and had em tested found they are somewhere between OEM & Pazzo's I'll post it up at lunch very interesting read.

blackryder wrote:I tend to agree with Jonno,they look the same, but are they the same?
I suppose its hard to justify spending $200 on Pazzo's when you can get the same thing for $30???....hmmm
I can certainly see why the cheaper versions are more appealing.....maybe until you really need to use them for their intended use, it becomes clear why they are so cheap.
So....to be sure which is better and to clarify all this confusion, between Chinese or Pazzo's...
someone please supply pictures of both...
then break them half...
post pics up & we'll see

good point.

But what are stock levers worth?? $30 bucks?

As promised.

http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-b ... lever.html

I'll make it easier to find if interested.

page 1 - standard oem lever
page 2 - pazzo lever testing
page 4 - Chazzo / conclusion

Having said that, if I ever drop my bike, I'd probably still buy another set

As I said in an earlier thread about these, I bought mine because the standard clutch lever isn't adjustable. They also cost about the same as the OEM lever that I broke when the bike fell over.
I always find it interesting that there are some people who can be relied upon to pour scorn on these 'cheap Chinese crap' parts, despite the fact that some of us have been using them for years now with no adverse effects. Remember when anything made in Japan was 'cheap crap'? How many of us here ride Japanese motorcycles? ... Oh, wait ... wat

Where to get some green ones?

One should not tar all with the same brush. Regardless of where or how much, it should be is the company willing to back up the product. Some are some aren't. Do your research and as they say in the army, never be first and never volunteer.

A lot of myths about Chinese products, not all are true
Nick

seiko1 wrote:

Jonno wrote:name the manufacturer is my question?

Name a single Chinese manufacturer mofo!
(of bit's that is )
and it's you're...not your MF!

Fujian Hua Min Group ..............They make levers amongst other items.

Glad you picked that spelling mistake, your'e a legend

seiko1 wrote: The expensive shit probably comes off exactly the same production line yuppy!

Simple question and I will ask it again, name the manufacturer as you referred to in your statement, you probably dont know and probably cant back it up.


Some of you know what I am on about the rest of you took the bait

Time for a cup of tea and settle down

Daisy wrote:As I said in an earlier thread about these, I bought mine because the standard clutch lever isn't adjustable. They also cost about the same as the OEM lever that I broke when the bike fell over.
I always find it interesting that there are some people who can be relied upon to pour scorn on these 'cheap Chinese crap' parts, despite the fact that some of us have been using them for years now with no adverse effects. Remember when anything made in Japan was 'cheap crap'? How many of us here ride Japanese motorcycles? ... Oh, wait ... wat

I am not scorning, just asking questions to the quality and who makes them, I wouldn't use an unknown product if my life depended on it and I am not referring to levers per see as they are not critical directly to safety unless you snap a brake lever just as you need it. Levers are just the catalyst of my arguement



Bringing Japan into the argument is a nice diversion and China in 50 years may have the same regard as the Japanese now enjoy, but back to the point.

It's the whole knock off industry I am questioning, like I said earlier would you use a knock off Ohlins shock/forks or wheel rims made in china with no major brand recognition or any support?

..

After all John was a fisherman

Daisy wrote:I always find it interesting that there are some people who can be relied upon to pour scorn on these 'cheap Chinese crap' parts, despite the fact that some of us have been using them for years now with no adverse effects. Remember when anything made in Japan was 'cheap crap'? How many of us here ride Japanese motorcycles? ... Oh, wait ... wat

I have Chinese/ebay levers on my track bike (they were on it when I got it). Twice now at scrutineering the guy has pulled the front brake lever right back to the bar He said it's best to snap it off here, than out on the track. He said he had witnessed many of the ebay cheepies fail under hard braking

Where it is manufactured is important we say. So manufactured in the US or Canada is better, better than what? Most of what comes out of Canada is crap music, the US car manufacturing, well best we leave that alone. The tyres that we all ride on, majority are from Thailand.

Nothing to do with where more to with whom and the materials they use.

Jonno, we won't be waiting for 50 years for China to enjoy the same reputation as Japan. I will say that China will use a lower grade steel, or rather the iron ore that they dig up is lower quality.

Smithy I have only ever read of one failure for a lever and that was on KSRC, must search for that thread as he got caned if I recall correctly.

that lever broke from crash dmage is i remeber right.

he was just tring to get away with reparing it...

Naked Twin wrote:Smithy I have only ever read of one failure for a lever and that was on KSRC, must search for that thread as he got caned if I recall correctly.

Apparently the lever itself doesn't break......... It's the smaller cast end part of the lever inside where the two sections are joined, but, no brakes, means no brakes
I do the scrutineer test a couple of times during the day and have a spare OEM lever at the ready.